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I agree totally with Dan!!!!
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<div>You're all off in the weeds. The rules will be crafted to implement the state law that just passed. That was the post Tim made to kick off this thread. Even though DIA is part of Denver, it will be covered by this law and the subsequent rules, including
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<div>My point was that depending on how the rules process goes and how wayfinding is defined, DIA might be compliant already with its Aira contract. </div>
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<div>But the big takeaway is that the NFB needs to be a major contributor to this rule process, or we could have an accommodation imposed on us that we neither need nor want.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 6:33 PM Theresa Montano via Colorado-Talk <<a href="mailto:colorado-talk@nfbnet.org">colorado-talk@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Yes, this is what I’m saying. I am responsible for the state contract, so I’m well aware who owns what.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">That is what I stated, thank you for validating.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>kevan <a href="http://nfbco.org/" originalsrc="http://nfbco.org/" shash="oO5xWOz+1TAOEZiUtqHOG9YabPFOpmfaXYzVAREPf2PW5wTKLoCGzWtd4aznOusXEFCbMqaH7E5SI7gcxJ+PfDl3CUPlVI5ti08/OlWbM71NYbS7vuq888lCjNWKaLz2AGPaHwotw597dFmnJFToczfSJ/0HQRpxZ7ZetNeb2EA=" target="_blank">
nfbco.org</a> via Colorado-Talk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 4, 2024 4:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NFB of Colorado Discussion List <<a href="mailto:colorado-talk@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">colorado-talk@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> kevan <a href="http://nfbco.org/" originalsrc="http://nfbco.org/" shash="wZi1enM4fxD99IIgx2PHlf/Thrh3Hk4wZwPWmVbH/53VJV8GgWKgwfXyh0DX/vcD2UpZ1BEIm/ifQQ7tVmcw3xg6ajPGKkUiTMhImLKs27Xrmdx/JvZDKH881iY/By2hQG0/IvXtQ8vzz4lcEEg5cWdp6IVqKzjwyyPkuJDj4o0=" target="_blank">
nfbco.org</a> <<a href="mailto:kevan@nfbco.org" target="_blank">kevan@nfbco.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Colorado-Talk] DIA Accessibility<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">The Ira con tract regarding the airport is with the city of Denver airport. But there is a contract between Ira and the state of Colorado to provide free! Free iris service on all state property. This includes
universities and parks, operated by the state of Colorado. I I know that there are some state employees benefiting from this.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Aira contract is not with the state. The City and County of Denver owns that.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">So we as the state wouldn’t apply Rules.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Unless I’m out of the loop on something regarding the Rules!
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Burke via Colorado-Talk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 4, 2024 3:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NFB of Colorado Discussion List <<a href="mailto:colorado-talk@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">colorado-talk@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dan Burke <<a href="mailto:burke.dall@gmail.com" target="_blank">burke.dall@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Colorado-Talk] DIA Accessibility</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">BTW, there's no way the rules will be ready for a good while.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 10:38<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM kevan
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nfbco.org</a> via Colorado-Talk <<a href="mailto:colorado-talk@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">colorado-talk@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I use Aria at DIA and many other airports. Now you got me curious! Wayfinding technology often means many different things. I wonder what the aspiration is for this project. I know that SFO has received a lot
of acclaim for the work the San Francisco Light House and its partners have done. But I haven't flown through there since before pandemic. Again, maybe we need a little group to dig into this a little bit. I’m going to reach out to COS airport director today
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nate Trela via Colorado-Talk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 4, 2024 9:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NFB of Colorado Discussion List <<a href="mailto:colorado-talk@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">colorado-talk@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nate Trela <<a href="mailto:ntrela@gmail.com" target="_blank">ntrela@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Colorado-Talk] DIA Accessibility</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Looks like it could be something by a company called Lazarillo, which won a SmartCities competition last year. Sounds a lot like GoodMaps, which I found pretty helpful in Louisville's airport a couple years a go. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;"><a href="https://lazarillo.app/uncategorized/denverairportannouncement/" originalsrc="https://lazarillo.app/uncategorized/denverairportannouncement/" shash="H21mvTxpK19CCbG3qlVsaurT1tEyvHujwUDuP4r+aZ/ezqATKYq3Nrsr+oIbrIMaltryvwC5YCFmMJ8mtqQ7qMhT/vPWUkeTB/c0jXXO9nRt1pz76mjzBIAUv5b0Uzc5fS7VSf5kq9QhPwqSO02coqV+uodh0bHnYFppE8jo82g=" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration: none;">Lazarillo
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">That’s great! It says it’s supposed to be operational by the middle of the year. Supposed to be.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I’m flying in late July and again in late August, so naturally, I’m super curious how this is going to work.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I hope they’re bringing in blind travelers to help test it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Julie Reiskin via Colorado-Talk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 4, 2024 9:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NFB of Colorado Discussion List <<a href="mailto:colorado-talk@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">colorado-talk@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Julie Reiskin <<a href="mailto:jreiskin@ccdconline.org" target="_blank">jreiskin@ccdconline.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Colorado-Talk] DIA Accessibility</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hello Tim:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I don't know what is planned in terms of wayfinding technology for the blind, but I do know that the Denver International Airport is an Aira free zone, meaning that none of your minutes
are used if you use Aira at the airport.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Kindly,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Curtis Chong</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Keenan via Colorado-Talk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 4, 2024 9:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NFB of Colorado Discussion List' <<a href="mailto:colorado-talk@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">colorado-talk@nfbnet.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:tkeenan79@gmail.com" target="_blank">tkeenan79@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Colorado-Talk] DIA Accessibility</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, all,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I was intrigued by this little slice of an article I read in the Denver Post about a bill to improve accessibility at DIA:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Before it was amended, the bill provided grounds for potential lawsuits if the airport failed to meet several deadlines that are still set out in the legislation. Those include installing wayfinding technology to serve people who are blind
or vision impaired by the middle of this year;<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Say what? Anyone know anything about this?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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