[Diabetes-talk] This is getting to be a little bit much???

[William and Bernadette Jacobs]

Yeah!!  Go ahead gang!  Chop off this head and run it through your food 
processors everyone!!

Sorry Gang!  I know according to the ADA and the rest of the government, 
Even Blindness is a disability.  But I don't strut around telling everyone 
that all the stop signs need to be posted in Braille for my benefit.  I 
don't strut around telling the world that everything everywhere I go needs 
to be in Braille because I cannot read print!  I don't even have the 
audacity to tell folks that restaurants, food courts, and any eateries, for 
that matter "MUST" have diabetic menus and serve me at given times because I 
am an insulin-dependent diabetic?  I don't go to Conventions and meetings 
and expect that folks are going to remind me to go to bed because I'm not 
responsible enough to care for those things myself?  Oh Glory!!  Whatever is 
this coming to???  I was just so ghastly nauseated by this first post alone 
I simply couldn't even stomach the rest of this!  I've been a member of NFB 
since 1975 and in all these years I've never yet heard talk from the leaders 
of our organization that we must make these allowances for blindness?  If 
anything, most of us were taught how to use things like readers and ask for 
the "appropriate" sighted assistance if we need!  I just find this so!!

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>   1. Re: High sugars in the wake of skipping a snack? (Michael Park)
>   2. Re: High sugars in the wake of skipping a snack? (Michael Park)
>   3. Re: For those who have Liberty Medical to get these prodigy
>      voice test strips (Michael Park)
>   4. Re: High sugars in the wake of skipping a snack?
>      (cheryl echevarria)
>   5. Re: just got off the phone with Angie from Prodigy
>      (Dorothea Martin)
>   6. Re: For those who have Liberty Medical to get these prodigy
>      voice test strips (cheryl echevarria)
>   7. Re: For those who have Liberty Medical to get these prodigy
>      voice test strips (cheryl echevarria)
>   8. Re: just got off the phone with Angie from Prodigy
>      (cheryl echevarria)
>   9. Re: just got off the phone with Angie from Prodigy
>      (cheryl echevarria)
>  10. Fw: [Nfb-fundraising] Funds Drying Up? Then Why Is This List
>      Dead, Too? We Need Eachother! (Diane)
>  11. Re: For those who have Liberty Medical to get these prodigy
>      voice test strips (Michael Park)
>  12. Re: For those who have Liberty Medical to get these prodigy
>      voice test strips (Mike Freeman)
>  13. Re: Fw: [Nfb-fundraising] Funds Drying Up? Then Why IsThis
>      List Dead, Too? We Need Eachother! (Mike Freeman)
>  14. Re: For those who have Liberty Medical to get these prodigy
>      voice test strips (Veronica Elsea)
>  15. Re: For those who have Liberty Medical to get these prodigy
>      voice test strips (cheryl echevarria)
>  16. Re: Fw: [Nfb-fundraising] Funds Drying Up? Then Why Is This
>      List Dead, Too? We Need Eachother! (d m gina)
>  17. Re: For those who have Liberty Medical to get these prodigy
>      voice test strips (d m gina)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:26:13 +0200
> From: Michael Park <pageforpage at gmail.com>
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] High sugars in the wake of skipping a
> snack?
> Message-ID: <4CEAB5C5.8090205 at gmail.com>
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>
> Hi there.
>
> Don't love the meter at all, but as you rightly say, you have to know
> what is potting with your sugars to be able to manage and in a sense,
> while medication does what it does, it cannot do everything.
>
> If you were here when I do my tests, you will see that I pull the most
> amazing faces before the lancet pricks my finger. It is a hundred times
> worse though, when someone else pricks my finger. Some folk, when they
> prick your finger, just about take your hand off in the process.
>
> Nevertheless, we grin and bare it and to try and make the experience
> more durable for me, we actually play a little game. I try and guess
> what my reading is going to be before I test, but the only problem is
> that these days, more often than not, I am in the mark.
>
> the only thing that throws me out a bit is that while my mouth is dry
> when my sugars are high, I also take another medication which has the
> same effect so that even if my sugars are OK, I still have a dry mouth
> which renders the guessing a rather unfairly difficult exercise since in
> effect, both factors mask each other.
>
> Michael Park
> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the 
> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>
> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving high 
> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as 
> portability.
>
>  NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>
>
> On 2010/11/22 12:03, Dorothea Martin wrote:
>> Hello, Michael,
>> Thanks for the long panegyric on testing. I needed this. Here in
>> Albania I am criticized for regular testing because no one else seems
>> to do it. Don't worry. I have no intention of giving it up. If I had
>> to make the choice, I would give up my medication before I would give
>> up testing. Not that I'm planning on this either, but if I had to, I
>> could probably keep my blood sugar in order just with diet, movement
>> and testing, though I don't think I could do it without any knowledge
>> of where my blood sugar is, despite all the medicine they could give me.
>> I am a newly-diagnosed type 2, but my blood sugar meter is my second
>> best friend, only less cuddly than the dog.
>> Dotty Martin
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:27:11 +0200
> From: Michael Park <pageforpage at gmail.com>
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] High sugars in the wake of skipping a
> snack?
> Message-ID: <4CEAB5FF.1020609 at gmail.com>
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>
> I would figure that if that is the case, this must contribute
> significantly to the damage that is done. Furthermore, the aftermath
> necessarily entails that sugars become unstable and that as a factor,
> speaking generally, also does additional damage. Many diabetics talk
> about high and low sugars having the potential for damage, but they
> don't realise that unstable sugars, and here I am talking fluctuations
> of in the 70's for general purposes, also have a huge potential for
> organ damage.
>
> Michael Park
> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the 
> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>
> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving high 
> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as 
> portability.
>
>  NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>
>
> On 2010/11/22 16:39, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>> not only that you liver and kidneys go into over drive to compensate.
>>
>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>> 1-866-580-5574
>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>
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>> CST-1018299-10
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel 
>> Inc.
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Park"<pageforpage at gmail.com>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind"<diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] High sugars in the wake of skipping a snack?
>>
>>
>>> Hi there.
>>>
>>> The explanation given to me by my diabetes counsellor regarding the
>>> higher sugars in the wake of skipping a meal or a snack is this: the
>>> body is expecting the food to arrive, and sugar is released in order to
>>> help facilitate the digestive process. Because the food does not arrive,
>>> that sugar remains in the blood stream, elevating blood sugar levels.
>>>
>>> Michael Park
>>> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the
>>> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>>>
>>> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving high
>>> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as
>>> portability.
>>>
>>>    NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2010/11/21 15:59, Dorothea Martin wrote:
>>>> Hello, Michael and list,
>>>> I noticed a similar experience a couple of days ago. I had been trying
>>>> to bring my sugar level down a bit so ate an early supper and nothing
>>>> at bedtime. What? The level was higher next morning. Last night I
>>>> again had an early supper but gave in and had a sandwich with a
>>>> neighbor. The level was lower this morning. I don't try to make sense
>>>> of this, just pass it along.
>>>> Dotty Martin
>>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:34:55 +0200
> From: Michael Park <pageforpage at gmail.com>
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get
> these prodigy voice test strips
> Message-ID: <4CEAB7CF.8060501 at gmail.com>
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> Hi Cheryl.
>
> You are not alone in this one. We have similar problems here in South
> Africa. On the government health care system, they require you to have
> an Accu-chek Active meter in order to get strips from the government.
> However, some little idiot in the burocracy is clamping down on people
> getting free testing strips here.
>
> I currently use a One Touch Profile, without a voice, of course, but my
> wife does the checking for me. I had considered changing over to the
> Accu-chek till my diabetologist advised me on the state of the nation as
> far as strips go. The strips for the One Touch Profile are hellishly
> expensive, but having done my sums, I have found that in the long term,
> staying with Johnson And Johnson is actually going to be cheaper for me
> than to switch over to the Roche product. For one, glucometers are
> expensive here and for another the Accu-chek Active strips cost ten
> percent more than the strips for the One Touch Profile.
>
> A significant part of the reason why diabetics in this part of the world
> do not test as regularly as they ought, is the cost of the strips.
> However, I operate as a diabetes counsellor both in our local church and
> under the umbrella of an organisation called Disability Connection,
> having fought a long, lonely  and bitter fight to get the organisation
> to recognise diabetes as a disability, and yet it still happens that
> diabetics are not always catered for at functions. I cannot be a
> diabetes counsellor with a less than exemplary lifestyle, and I am very
> conscious of my own situation.
>
> On a recent occasion at a DC meeting, for instance, due to rank bad and
> unprofessional organisation, lunch was served two whole hours late with
> the embarrassing result that I went hypo during a meeting. While hypos
> can always be fixed, I would surmise that it would actually be better to
> try and prevent them rather than fix them. It goes without saying that I
> had a word or two to say to the organisers, that does not bear repeating
> here.
>
> I don't know how you are intending to tackle the problem with congress,
> but I mention my argument here that diabetes is a disability, purely on
> the basis that I understand a disability to be a condition which has as
> its effect, the denial of a person to the normal amenities of life.
>
> Sure, diabetics are not necessarily crippled as a result of the
> condition, but if I take myself as an extreme example of a relatively
> healthy diabetic for instance, I cannot just eat and drink as I like. I
> have to be on a special diet which lays down requirements not only of
> what I may and may not have, but also the times when I have to have
> specific things and in my book, that effectively entails the denial of
> enjoyment of the amenities of life. If a diabetic goes hypo, for
> instance, that also involves a denial of the enjoyment of the amenities
> of life. When I do go hypo, I am unable to function for the rest of the 
> day.
>
> I mention this because in our bill of rights to the constitution, health
> care is supposed to be an entrenched right and so too, the right of
> disabled persons not to be discriminated against. The reason why I
> fought this campaign out here is quite simply, to get diabetics onto the
> same ticket as people with disabilities, thereby effectively
> strengthening the case of the diabetic community to bargain a better
> deal for itself.
>
> I speak under correction, but if my memory serves me right, one could
> interpret your bill of rights in a similar manner to ours, namely that
> the right to health care is entrenched, and that discrimination against
> disabled persons is unlawful. Furthermore, your Disabled Persons Act of
> 2000 also has a very net of provisions protecting disabled persons.
>
> In my experience, people generally don't consider diabetics either and
> so I reciprocate mutually. Come snack time during the day, I fish out my
> fruit without asking and explaining and if people don't like it, then as
> far as I am concerned, they can hop. As I said to one person rather
> bluntly recently, they are not going to take care of my health, and so I
> will do that on my terms. Even when I go to functions now, and my
> medication has been changed so that I don't have as many hypos anymore,
> I take my precautions for the meal being late and I take an extra fruit
> along with me just to help keep my sugar stable. My diabetes counsellor
> did caution that I must not take it for granted that I will never get a
> hypo, and remembering that it is not a pleasant experience when it
> happens to me, I just do my own thing anyway.
>
> I don't know what strategy you are going to adopt, but for my two cents'
> worth, I would suggest that in order to argue a stronger case for the
> rights of diabetics, diabetes should, in addition to being a health care
> concern, also be dealt with as a disability. Believe me, if my
> experience is anything to go by, even a liberal constitution, without
> the political will to enforce the rights of persons, has a value which
> does not exceed a piece of toilet paper. The only way in which you can
> stand a very good chance to win this one, is to try and fit as many
> strings to your bow as possible.
>
> I must conclude on a positive note by saying that due to its structure
> and mechanism, the NFB naturally lends itself to the kind of strategy I
> advocate. The fact that there is a diabetes list on the NFB site rather
> speaks for itself in this regard. What needs to happen is that this mode
> of thinking is something which you would have to communicate to your
> congressmen over there, as well.
>
> HTH.
>
> Michael Park
> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the 
> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>
> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving high 
> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as 
> portability.
>
>  NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>
>
> On 2010/11/22 18:08, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>> Here in NY I have had 5 people call me one after the other, who have
>> insurance companies that get the prodigy test strips from Liberty 
>> Medical.
>>
>> Liberty Medical is telling people and sending out letters that Prodigy is
>> not making the meters and strips any longer.
>>
>> I just got off the Prodigy.com they said no such a thing is going on.
>>
>> For some reason Liberty Medical is no longer carrying the prodigy 
>> products.
>>
>> My question is for Kelly and others on the list.
>>
>> Um, what do people do who have no other choice with there insurance on 
>> who
>> to use for the durable medical supplies for the prodigy strips.  First 
>> ADS
>> and now Liberty Medical, they are also a company that handles a lot of
>> Medicare clients, since they are a durable medical supplier for Medicare.
>>
>> Should we be aware of other companies that are not carrying the product
>> anymore?
>>
>> This is a legit question, I am not trying to be rude and nasty, since I 
>> was
>> just elected as board member of the Newly created DAN Division here in 
>> NY.
>> I will be doing a lot of fact finding not only for NY but for this 
>> division
>> as well, since I am a medical insurance specialist as well, that people 
>> need
>> alternatives to getting there supplies.
>>
>> Like myself I am still having issues in the future of getting my lantus, 
>> my
>> doctor had to call in an override to the insurance company and into Medco
>> where I get my meds.
>>
>> I have spoken to my congressman's office and they are helping me with 
>> this
>> issue.  Hopefully but the end of the month I will not have to worry about
>> Lantus, we are trying to get me on the insulin pump, but at the same time 
>> if
>> I cannot get on it, and I can't use another insulin for my diabetes, we 
>> need
>> to talk to congress when we are in Washington this year about this, and 
>> let
>> them know the problems with our insurance companies and suppliers as 
>> well.
>>
>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>> 1-866-580-5574
>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>
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>> CST-1018299-10
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel 
>> Inc.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:34:21 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] High sugars in the wake of skipping a
> snack?
> Message-ID: <BAY110-DS25159677C426E7317A1F4EA13D0 at phx.gbl>
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>
> for someone who lost her vision and kidney in 2001 to organ damage from
> Diabetes, I have first hand experience. I had a kidney transplant in 2005
> from my dear friend who passed away in January of this year from Cancer.
> Yes I do know how this can happen.
>
> Also, a transplant is not a cure it is a treatment and if sugars aren't
> under control tightly they can cause the same damage that happened the 
> first
> time.
>
> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://Echevarriatravel.com
> 1-866-580-5574
> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel 
> CST-1018299-10
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel 
> Inc.
>
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>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Park" <pageforpage at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] High sugars in the wake of skipping a snack?
>
>
>> I would figure that if that is the case, this must contribute
>> significantly to the damage that is done. Furthermore, the aftermath
>> necessarily entails that sugars become unstable and that as a factor,
>> speaking generally, also does additional damage. Many diabetics talk
>> about high and low sugars having the potential for damage, but they
>> don't realise that unstable sugars, and here I am talking fluctuations
>> of in the 70's for general purposes, also have a huge potential for
>> organ damage.
>>
>> Michael Park
>> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the
>> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>>
>> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving high
>> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as
>> portability.
>>
>>   NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>>
>>
>> On 2010/11/22 16:39, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>> > not only that you liver and kidneys go into over drive to compensate.
>> >
>> > The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>> >
>> > Cheryl Echevarria
>> > http://Echevarriatravel.com
>> > 1-866-580-5574
>> > Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>> >
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>> > CST-1018299-10
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel
>> > Inc.
>> >
>> > join my yahoogroup
>> > echevarriatravel-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Michael Park"<pageforpage at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind"<diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 10:43 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] High sugars in the wake of skipping a
>> > snack?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi there.
>> >>
>> >> The explanation given to me by my diabetes counsellor regarding the
>> >> higher sugars in the wake of skipping a meal or a snack is this: the
>> >> body is expecting the food to arrive, and sugar is released in order 
>> >> to
>> >> help facilitate the digestive process. Because the food does not
>> >> arrive,
>> >> that sugar remains in the blood stream, elevating blood sugar levels.
>> >>
>> >> Michael Park
>> >> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in
>> >> the
>> >> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>> >>
>> >> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving
>> >> high
>> >> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as
>> >> portability.
>> >>
>> >>    NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2010/11/21 15:59, Dorothea Martin wrote:
>> >>> Hello, Michael and list,
>> >>> I noticed a similar experience a couple of days ago. I had been 
>> >>> trying
>> >>> to bring my sugar level down a bit so ate an early supper and nothing
>> >>> at bedtime. What? The level was higher next morning. Last night I
>> >>> again had an early supper but gave in and had a sandwich with a
>> >>> neighbor. The level was lower this morning. I don't try to make sense
>> >>> of this, just pass it along.
>> >>> Dotty Martin
>> >>>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >>
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>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:37:13 -0500
> From: Dorothea Martin <bestsinger at samobile.net>
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] just got off the phone with Angie from
> Prodigy
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Hello, Cheryl,
> Tell them to try American Diabetes Wholesale. They've got the strips
> for the Prodigy Voice for about $15 for a box of 50.
> Dotty Martin
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:37:27 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get
> these prodigy voice test strips
> Message-ID: <BAY110-DS25D6DD1813595B24231CAFA13D0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Roche doesn't make it anymore, I had the last meter. the only actual 
> talking
> meters that are accessible to the blind is the Prodigy Voice and the Solo
> Meter.
>
> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://Echevarriatravel.com
> 1-866-580-5574
> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Park" <pageforpage at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get 
> these
> prodigy voice test strips
>
>
>> Hi Cheryl.
>>
>> You are not alone in this one. We have similar problems here in South
>> Africa. On the government health care system, they require you to have
>> an Accu-chek Active meter in order to get strips from the government.
>> However, some little idiot in the burocracy is clamping down on people
>> getting free testing strips here.
>>
>> I currently use a One Touch Profile, without a voice, of course, but my
>> wife does the checking for me. I had considered changing over to the
>> Accu-chek till my diabetologist advised me on the state of the nation as
>> far as strips go. The strips for the One Touch Profile are hellishly
>> expensive, but having done my sums, I have found that in the long term,
>> staying with Johnson And Johnson is actually going to be cheaper for me
>> than to switch over to the Roche product. For one, glucometers are
>> expensive here and for another the Accu-chek Active strips cost ten
>> percent more than the strips for the One Touch Profile.
>>
>> A significant part of the reason why diabetics in this part of the world
>> do not test as regularly as they ought, is the cost of the strips.
>> However, I operate as a diabetes counsellor both in our local church and
>> under the umbrella of an organisation called Disability Connection,
>> having fought a long, lonely  and bitter fight to get the organisation
>> to recognise diabetes as a disability, and yet it still happens that
>> diabetics are not always catered for at functions. I cannot be a
>> diabetes counsellor with a less than exemplary lifestyle, and I am very
>> conscious of my own situation.
>>
>> On a recent occasion at a DC meeting, for instance, due to rank bad and
>> unprofessional organisation, lunch was served two whole hours late with
>> the embarrassing result that I went hypo during a meeting. While hypos
>> can always be fixed, I would surmise that it would actually be better to
>> try and prevent them rather than fix them. It goes without saying that I
>> had a word or two to say to the organisers, that does not bear repeating
>> here.
>>
>> I don't know how you are intending to tackle the problem with congress,
>> but I mention my argument here that diabetes is a disability, purely on
>> the basis that I understand a disability to be a condition which has as
>> its effect, the denial of a person to the normal amenities of life.
>>
>> Sure, diabetics are not necessarily crippled as a result of the
>> condition, but if I take myself as an extreme example of a relatively
>> healthy diabetic for instance, I cannot just eat and drink as I like. I
>> have to be on a special diet which lays down requirements not only of
>> what I may and may not have, but also the times when I have to have
>> specific things and in my book, that effectively entails the denial of
>> enjoyment of the amenities of life. If a diabetic goes hypo, for
>> instance, that also involves a denial of the enjoyment of the amenities
>> of life. When I do go hypo, I am unable to function for the rest of the
>> day.
>>
>> I mention this because in our bill of rights to the constitution, health
>> care is supposed to be an entrenched right and so too, the right of
>> disabled persons not to be discriminated against. The reason why I
>> fought this campaign out here is quite simply, to get diabetics onto the
>> same ticket as people with disabilities, thereby effectively
>> strengthening the case of the diabetic community to bargain a better
>> deal for itself.
>>
>> I speak under correction, but if my memory serves me right, one could
>> interpret your bill of rights in a similar manner to ours, namely that
>> the right to health care is entrenched, and that discrimination against
>> disabled persons is unlawful. Furthermore, your Disabled Persons Act of
>> 2000 also has a very net of provisions protecting disabled persons.
>>
>> In my experience, people generally don't consider diabetics either and
>> so I reciprocate mutually. Come snack time during the day, I fish out my
>> fruit without asking and explaining and if people don't like it, then as
>> far as I am concerned, they can hop. As I said to one person rather
>> bluntly recently, they are not going to take care of my health, and so I
>> will do that on my terms. Even when I go to functions now, and my
>> medication has been changed so that I don't have as many hypos anymore,
>> I take my precautions for the meal being late and I take an extra fruit
>> along with me just to help keep my sugar stable. My diabetes counsellor
>> did caution that I must not take it for granted that I will never get a
>> hypo, and remembering that it is not a pleasant experience when it
>> happens to me, I just do my own thing anyway.
>>
>> I don't know what strategy you are going to adopt, but for my two cents'
>> worth, I would suggest that in order to argue a stronger case for the
>> rights of diabetics, diabetes should, in addition to being a health care
>> concern, also be dealt with as a disability. Believe me, if my
>> experience is anything to go by, even a liberal constitution, without
>> the political will to enforce the rights of persons, has a value which
>> does not exceed a piece of toilet paper. The only way in which you can
>> stand a very good chance to win this one, is to try and fit as many
>> strings to your bow as possible.
>>
>> I must conclude on a positive note by saying that due to its structure
>> and mechanism, the NFB naturally lends itself to the kind of strategy I
>> advocate. The fact that there is a diabetes list on the NFB site rather
>> speaks for itself in this regard. What needs to happen is that this mode
>> of thinking is something which you would have to communicate to your
>> congressmen over there, as well.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Michael Park
>> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the
>> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>>
>> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving high
>> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as
>> portability.
>>
>>   NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>>
>>
>> On 2010/11/22 18:08, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>> > Here in NY I have had 5 people call me one after the other, who have
>> > insurance companies that get the prodigy test strips from Liberty
>> > Medical.
>> >
>> > Liberty Medical is telling people and sending out letters that Prodigy
>> > is
>> > not making the meters and strips any longer.
>> >
>> > I just got off the Prodigy.com they said no such a thing is going on.
>> >
>> > For some reason Liberty Medical is no longer carrying the prodigy
>> > products.
>> >
>> > My question is for Kelly and others on the list.
>> >
>> > Um, what do people do who have no other choice with there insurance on
>> > who
>> > to use for the durable medical supplies for the prodigy strips.  First
>> > ADS
>> > and now Liberty Medical, they are also a company that handles a lot of
>> > Medicare clients, since they are a durable medical supplier for
>> > Medicare.
>> >
>> > Should we be aware of other companies that are not carrying the product
>> > anymore?
>> >
>> > This is a legit question, I am not trying to be rude and nasty, since I
>> > was
>> > just elected as board member of the Newly created DAN Division here in
>> > NY.
>> > I will be doing a lot of fact finding not only for NY but for this
>> > division
>> > as well, since I am a medical insurance specialist as well, that people
>> > need
>> > alternatives to getting there supplies.
>> >
>> > Like myself I am still having issues in the future of getting my 
>> > lantus,
>> > my
>> > doctor had to call in an override to the insurance company and into
>> > Medco
>> > where I get my meds.
>> >
>> > I have spoken to my congressman's office and they are helping me with
>> > this
>> > issue.  Hopefully but the end of the month I will not have to worry
>> > about
>> > Lantus, we are trying to get me on the insulin pump, but at the same
>> > time if
>> > I cannot get on it, and I can't use another insulin for my diabetes, we
>> > need
>> > to talk to congress when we are in Washington this year about this, and
>> > let
>> > them know the problems with our insurance companies and suppliers as
>> > well.
>> >
>> > The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>> >
>> > Cheryl Echevarria
>> > http://Echevarriatravel.com
>> > 1-866-580-5574
>> > Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>> >
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>> > CST-1018299-10
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel
>> > Inc.
>> >
>> > join my yahoogroup
>> > echevarriatravel-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > Diabetes-talk:
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/pageforpage%40gmail.com
>>
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:41:20 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get
> these prodigy voice test strips
> Message-ID: <BAY110-DS1C26DC5C8BD4B46B80B5AA13D0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> well Michael they don't get it right here either.  I belong to the NY 
> State
> Affiliate I am the treasurer of the Greater Long Island Chapter. I did not
> attend this year's state convention, but I am the a board member officer 
> of
> the NY State Diabetic Action Network and the Hotel that they had our state
> convention in, there idea of a diabetic lunch was to give us all Giant
> cookies for desert.  I don't' remember what else was served, but was told
> the lunch was not a diabetic one and we ordered one.
>
> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://Echevarriatravel.com
> 1-866-580-5574
> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel 
> CST-1018299-10
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel 
> Inc.
>
> join my yahoogroup
> echevarriatravel-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Park" <pageforpage at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get 
> these
> prodigy voice test strips
>
>
>> Hi Cheryl.
>>
>> You are not alone in this one. We have similar problems here in South
>> Africa. On the government health care system, they require you to have
>> an Accu-chek Active meter in order to get strips from the government.
>> However, some little idiot in the burocracy is clamping down on people
>> getting free testing strips here.
>>
>> I currently use a One Touch Profile, without a voice, of course, but my
>> wife does the checking for me. I had considered changing over to the
>> Accu-chek till my diabetologist advised me on the state of the nation as
>> far as strips go. The strips for the One Touch Profile are hellishly
>> expensive, but having done my sums, I have found that in the long term,
>> staying with Johnson And Johnson is actually going to be cheaper for me
>> than to switch over to the Roche product. For one, glucometers are
>> expensive here and for another the Accu-chek Active strips cost ten
>> percent more than the strips for the One Touch Profile.
>>
>> A significant part of the reason why diabetics in this part of the world
>> do not test as regularly as they ought, is the cost of the strips.
>> However, I operate as a diabetes counsellor both in our local church and
>> under the umbrella of an organisation called Disability Connection,
>> having fought a long, lonely  and bitter fight to get the organisation
>> to recognise diabetes as a disability, and yet it still happens that
>> diabetics are not always catered for at functions. I cannot be a
>> diabetes counsellor with a less than exemplary lifestyle, and I am very
>> conscious of my own situation.
>>
>> On a recent occasion at a DC meeting, for instance, due to rank bad and
>> unprofessional organisation, lunch was served two whole hours late with
>> the embarrassing result that I went hypo during a meeting. While hypos
>> can always be fixed, I would surmise that it would actually be better to
>> try and prevent them rather than fix them. It goes without saying that I
>> had a word or two to say to the organisers, that does not bear repeating
>> here.
>>
>> I don't know how you are intending to tackle the problem with congress,
>> but I mention my argument here that diabetes is a disability, purely on
>> the basis that I understand a disability to be a condition which has as
>> its effect, the denial of a person to the normal amenities of life.
>>
>> Sure, diabetics are not necessarily crippled as a result of the
>> condition, but if I take myself as an extreme example of a relatively
>> healthy diabetic for instance, I cannot just eat and drink as I like. I
>> have to be on a special diet which lays down requirements not only of
>> what I may and may not have, but also the times when I have to have
>> specific things and in my book, that effectively entails the denial of
>> enjoyment of the amenities of life. If a diabetic goes hypo, for
>> instance, that also involves a denial of the enjoyment of the amenities
>> of life. When I do go hypo, I am unable to function for the rest of the
>> day.
>>
>> I mention this because in our bill of rights to the constitution, health
>> care is supposed to be an entrenched right and so too, the right of
>> disabled persons not to be discriminated against. The reason why I
>> fought this campaign out here is quite simply, to get diabetics onto the
>> same ticket as people with disabilities, thereby effectively
>> strengthening the case of the diabetic community to bargain a better
>> deal for itself.
>>
>> I speak under correction, but if my memory serves me right, one could
>> interpret your bill of rights in a similar manner to ours, namely that
>> the right to health care is entrenched, and that discrimination against
>> disabled persons is unlawful. Furthermore, your Disabled Persons Act of
>> 2000 also has a very net of provisions protecting disabled persons.
>>
>> In my experience, people generally don't consider diabetics either and
>> so I reciprocate mutually. Come snack time during the day, I fish out my
>> fruit without asking and explaining and if people don't like it, then as
>> far as I am concerned, they can hop. As I said to one person rather
>> bluntly recently, they are not going to take care of my health, and so I
>> will do that on my terms. Even when I go to functions now, and my
>> medication has been changed so that I don't have as many hypos anymore,
>> I take my precautions for the meal being late and I take an extra fruit
>> along with me just to help keep my sugar stable. My diabetes counsellor
>> did caution that I must not take it for granted that I will never get a
>> hypo, and remembering that it is not a pleasant experience when it
>> happens to me, I just do my own thing anyway.
>>
>> I don't know what strategy you are going to adopt, but for my two cents'
>> worth, I would suggest that in order to argue a stronger case for the
>> rights of diabetics, diabetes should, in addition to being a health care
>> concern, also be dealt with as a disability. Believe me, if my
>> experience is anything to go by, even a liberal constitution, without
>> the political will to enforce the rights of persons, has a value which
>> does not exceed a piece of toilet paper. The only way in which you can
>> stand a very good chance to win this one, is to try and fit as many
>> strings to your bow as possible.
>>
>> I must conclude on a positive note by saying that due to its structure
>> and mechanism, the NFB naturally lends itself to the kind of strategy I
>> advocate. The fact that there is a diabetes list on the NFB site rather
>> speaks for itself in this regard. What needs to happen is that this mode
>> of thinking is something which you would have to communicate to your
>> congressmen over there, as well.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Michael Park
>> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the
>> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>>
>> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving high
>> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as
>> portability.
>>
>>   NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>>
>>
>> On 2010/11/22 18:08, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>> > Here in NY I have had 5 people call me one after the other, who have
>> > insurance companies that get the prodigy test strips from Liberty
>> > Medical.
>> >
>> > Liberty Medical is telling people and sending out letters that Prodigy
>> > is
>> > not making the meters and strips any longer.
>> >
>> > I just got off the Prodigy.com they said no such a thing is going on.
>> >
>> > For some reason Liberty Medical is no longer carrying the prodigy
>> > products.
>> >
>> > My question is for Kelly and others on the list.
>> >
>> > Um, what do people do who have no other choice with there insurance on
>> > who
>> > to use for the durable medical supplies for the prodigy strips.  First
>> > ADS
>> > and now Liberty Medical, they are also a company that handles a lot of
>> > Medicare clients, since they are a durable medical supplier for
>> > Medicare.
>> >
>> > Should we be aware of other companies that are not carrying the product
>> > anymore?
>> >
>> > This is a legit question, I am not trying to be rude and nasty, since I
>> > was
>> > just elected as board member of the Newly created DAN Division here in
>> > NY.
>> > I will be doing a lot of fact finding not only for NY but for this
>> > division
>> > as well, since I am a medical insurance specialist as well, that people
>> > need
>> > alternatives to getting there supplies.
>> >
>> > Like myself I am still having issues in the future of getting my 
>> > lantus,
>> > my
>> > doctor had to call in an override to the insurance company and into
>> > Medco
>> > where I get my meds.
>> >
>> > I have spoken to my congressman's office and they are helping me with
>> > this
>> > issue.  Hopefully but the end of the month I will not have to worry
>> > about
>> > Lantus, we are trying to get me on the insulin pump, but at the same
>> > time if
>> > I cannot get on it, and I can't use another insulin for my diabetes, we
>> > need
>> > to talk to congress when we are in Washington this year about this, and
>> > let
>> > them know the problems with our insurance companies and suppliers as
>> > well.
>> >
>> > The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>> >
>> > Cheryl Echevarria
>> > http://Echevarriatravel.com
>> > 1-866-580-5574
>> > Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>> >
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>> > CST-1018299-10
>> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel
>> > Inc.
>> >
>> > join my yahoogroup
>> > echevarriatravel-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Diabetes-talk mailing list
>> > Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > Diabetes-talk:
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/pageforpage%40gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:42:27 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] just got off the phone with Angie from
> Prodigy
> Message-ID: <BAY110-DS12464F091A8A0F224E586A13D0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Thank you.  The person is on the list and will read it.
>
> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://Echevarriatravel.com
> 1-866-580-5574
> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel 
> CST-1018299-10
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel 
> Inc.
>
> join my yahoogroup
> echevarriatravel-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dorothea Martin" <bestsinger at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] just got off the phone with Angie from 
> Prodigy
>
>
>> Hello, Cheryl,
>> Tell them to try American Diabetes Wholesale. They've got the strips
>> for the Prodigy Voice for about $15 for a box of 50.
>> Dotty Martin
>>
>> -- 
>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Diabetes-talk:
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>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:43:16 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] just got off the phone with Angie from
> Prodigy
> Message-ID: <BAY110-DS161C62F4D6D8289CF2FC1A13D0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The problem is that Liberty is a mail order company and that same $15 is a
> copayment for 3 months supply of strips and not one box of 50
>
> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://Echevarriatravel.com
> 1-866-580-5574
> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel 
> CST-1018299-10
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel 
> Inc.
>
> join my yahoogroup
> echevarriatravel-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dorothea Martin" <bestsinger at samobile.net>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] just got off the phone with Angie from 
> Prodigy
>
>
>> Hello, Cheryl,
>> Tell them to try American Diabetes Wholesale. They've got the strips
>> for the Prodigy Voice for about $15 for a box of 50.
>> Dotty Martin
>>
>> -- 
>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Diabetes-talk:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/diabetes-talk_nfbnet.org/cherylandmaxx%40hotmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:45:34 -0700
> From: "Diane" <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: [Nfb-fundraising] Funds Drying Up? Then
> Why Is This List Dead, Too? We Need Eachother!
> Message-ID: <80B76FA2ECEB476DA76F20F04A1801E0 at DianePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
>> It is indeed time to start thinking about a fund raiser for National!
>> We still have the Mickey Mouse earrings, and I was wondering what y'all
>> thought about putting together some foot creams.  My Mom sells AVON and
>> they are really great for feet, diabetic or not.
>> D
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Everett Gavel" <everett at everettgavel.com>
>> To: <nfb-fundraising at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:31 PM
>> Subject: [Nfb-fundraising] Funds Drying Up? Then Why Is This List
>> Dead,Too? We Need Eachother!
>>
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I've been gone awhile.  Spent the last year in Louisiana, actually.  I
>>> unsubbed from numerous lists due to the schedule the LCB puts you
>>> through.
>>> But I'm back in Northeast Ohio now.  And I've re-joined this list to get
>>> and
>>> give help with future fund raising.
>>>
>>> Sadly, if I'm reading the archives right, for the last few months only
>>> one
>>> message per month has been going through, and none at all in September
>>> and
>>> July.  One message regarding Steve joining (which no one seems to have
>>> responded to), and one on NEWSLINE funding in need of help.
>>>
>>> First, "Welcome Steve." Glad you're here.  ;-)
>>>
>>> Now, I know the NEWSLINE funding is hurting, among other things.  I
>>> wonder
>>> if there's any correlation between such a lack of funding, and the
>>> apparent
>>> lack of enthusiasm among the more than 100 subscribers to this list from
>>> across the nation?
>>>
>>> We can make it look good for ourselves by saying we're president of 
>>> this,
>>> chairperson of that, and subscribed to this and a member of that.  But 
>>> do
>>> the actions or the results at all back-up our titles, memberships, or
>>> subscriptions?  And so as not to be a total hypocrite here, I admit I've
>>> talked far more than taken action over the years.  All I know to do is
>>> simply keep trying to improve, day by day.  One of my favorite quotes I
>>> try
>>> to keep in mind anymore is:
>>>
>>> "The smallest good deed is better than the greatest of good intentions."
>>> (author unknown)
>>>
>>>
>>> We get far less from this list if all we do is, more often than not, 
>>> wait
>>> and hope for others to give us ideas and tips.  Please, let's get back 
>>> to
>>> asking questions, asking for help, and sharing any tips or ideas that
>>> have
>>> worked for your local chapter or group when others ask for help.
>>>
>>> We need to help eachother thrive, or our favorite programs, services,
>>> events, etc., may not survive.
>>>
>>> So with all that being said..... what is your chapter, affiliate, or
>>> division up to these days as far as fundraising, friendraising, or
>>> awareness
>>> raising goes?
>>>
>>> Here in the Greater Akron, OH area, we're about to have a "revival" sort
>>> of
>>> meeting, to renew interest and gain some members who hopefully will want
>>> to
>>> take action and truly help our community.  In the past year, we've had
>>> some
>>> key members move away, some got life-changing illnesses, and other
>>> members
>>> who simply left rather than step-up and help out.  So we're struggling
>>> momentarily.  Down -- but not out!
>>>
>>> Our "Get to Know the NFB" Revival meeting will be in the spring. Then in
>>> April or May we'll be having our annual Bowl-a-thon.  We're in the 
>>> double
>>> digits now with that event, as far as years go.  Same with our October
>>> Walk-A-Thon.  How about you?  What's your chapter got planned through
>>> 2011?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't Just Survive. Strive--and Thrive!
>>> Everett
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 02:59:21 +0200
> From: Michael Park <pageforpage at gmail.com>
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get
> these prodigy voice test strips
> Message-ID: <4CEB11E9.2030103 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I unfortunately don't have the money to do this, but I wondered how it
> would go down if one could open a restaurant which catered exclusively
> for diabetics, I mean in terms of portion sizes and a reasonable
> modification of the so-called generic diabetic diet to meet the needs of
> people who had gone a bit beyond the mere dietition's framework with
> meal planning. You would of course not mention that it is a restaurant
> for diabetics, but you could still as part of the cover-up, if you like,
> still have the sugar on the tables for the non-diabetics. I wonder if
> non-diabetic patrons of such a restaurant would even be anything the
> wiser for it?
>
> The point that I am making here is that if everyone ate like diabetics,
> they would not starve. I eat well on my diet and although the meals are
> smaller than I used to eat, I can honestly say that when I stick to the
> eating plan that has been developed for me, I am actually full after
> meals. Temptations to eat inbetween save for my scheduled snacks is kept
> to a minimum.
>
> When I have counselled diabetics here, I have always tried to encourage
> the family to also eat as if they are diabetics, and when a diabetic is
> referred to a dietition, I refer the whole family.
>
> As to the lunch which was not diabetic friendly and for which the state
> affiliate paid, it sucks. They should actually get their money back for 
> it.
>
> However, I wonder if a lot of caterers really understand diabetes. I
> have an absolute picnic when I go out to formal dinners and nowadays,
> even appear picky to the extent of being an offense to people at the 
> table.
>
> Michael Park
> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the 
> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>
> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving high 
> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as 
> portability.
>
>  NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>
>
> On 2010/11/22 20:41, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>> well Michael they don't get it right here either.  I belong to the NY 
>> State
>> Affiliate I am the treasurer of the Greater Long Island Chapter. I did 
>> not
>> attend this year's state convention, but I am the a board member officer 
>> of
>> the NY State Diabetic Action Network and the Hotel that they had our 
>> state
>> convention in, there idea of a diabetic lunch was to give us all Giant
>> cookies for desert.  I don't' remember what else was served, but was told
>> the lunch was not a diabetic one and we ordered one.
>>
>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>> 1-866-580-5574
>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel 
>> CST-1018299-10
>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel 
>> Inc.
>>
>> join my yahoogroup
>> echevarriatravel-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Park"<pageforpage at gmail.com>
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind"<diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get 
>> these
>> prodigy voice test strips
>>
>>
>>> Hi Cheryl.
>>>
>>> You are not alone in this one. We have similar problems here in South
>>> Africa. On the government health care system, they require you to have
>>> an Accu-chek Active meter in order to get strips from the government.
>>> However, some little idiot in the burocracy is clamping down on people
>>> getting free testing strips here.
>>>
>>> I currently use a One Touch Profile, without a voice, of course, but my
>>> wife does the checking for me. I had considered changing over to the
>>> Accu-chek till my diabetologist advised me on the state of the nation as
>>> far as strips go. The strips for the One Touch Profile are hellishly
>>> expensive, but having done my sums, I have found that in the long term,
>>> staying with Johnson And Johnson is actually going to be cheaper for me
>>> than to switch over to the Roche product. For one, glucometers are
>>> expensive here and for another the Accu-chek Active strips cost ten
>>> percent more than the strips for the One Touch Profile.
>>>
>>> A significant part of the reason why diabetics in this part of the world
>>> do not test as regularly as they ought, is the cost of the strips.
>>> However, I operate as a diabetes counsellor both in our local church and
>>> under the umbrella of an organisation called Disability Connection,
>>> having fought a long, lonely  and bitter fight to get the organisation
>>> to recognise diabetes as a disability, and yet it still happens that
>>> diabetics are not always catered for at functions. I cannot be a
>>> diabetes counsellor with a less than exemplary lifestyle, and I am very
>>> conscious of my own situation.
>>>
>>> On a recent occasion at a DC meeting, for instance, due to rank bad and
>>> unprofessional organisation, lunch was served two whole hours late with
>>> the embarrassing result that I went hypo during a meeting. While hypos
>>> can always be fixed, I would surmise that it would actually be better to
>>> try and prevent them rather than fix them. It goes without saying that I
>>> had a word or two to say to the organisers, that does not bear repeating
>>> here.
>>>
>>> I don't know how you are intending to tackle the problem with congress,
>>> but I mention my argument here that diabetes is a disability, purely on
>>> the basis that I understand a disability to be a condition which has as
>>> its effect, the denial of a person to the normal amenities of life.
>>>
>>> Sure, diabetics are not necessarily crippled as a result of the
>>> condition, but if I take myself as an extreme example of a relatively
>>> healthy diabetic for instance, I cannot just eat and drink as I like. I
>>> have to be on a special diet which lays down requirements not only of
>>> what I may and may not have, but also the times when I have to have
>>> specific things and in my book, that effectively entails the denial of
>>> enjoyment of the amenities of life. If a diabetic goes hypo, for
>>> instance, that also involves a denial of the enjoyment of the amenities
>>> of life. When I do go hypo, I am unable to function for the rest of the
>>> day.
>>>
>>> I mention this because in our bill of rights to the constitution, health
>>> care is supposed to be an entrenched right and so too, the right of
>>> disabled persons not to be discriminated against. The reason why I
>>> fought this campaign out here is quite simply, to get diabetics onto the
>>> same ticket as people with disabilities, thereby effectively
>>> strengthening the case of the diabetic community to bargain a better
>>> deal for itself.
>>>
>>> I speak under correction, but if my memory serves me right, one could
>>> interpret your bill of rights in a similar manner to ours, namely that
>>> the right to health care is entrenched, and that discrimination against
>>> disabled persons is unlawful. Furthermore, your Disabled Persons Act of
>>> 2000 also has a very net of provisions protecting disabled persons.
>>>
>>> In my experience, people generally don't consider diabetics either and
>>> so I reciprocate mutually. Come snack time during the day, I fish out my
>>> fruit without asking and explaining and if people don't like it, then as
>>> far as I am concerned, they can hop. As I said to one person rather
>>> bluntly recently, they are not going to take care of my health, and so I
>>> will do that on my terms. Even when I go to functions now, and my
>>> medication has been changed so that I don't have as many hypos anymore,
>>> I take my precautions for the meal being late and I take an extra fruit
>>> along with me just to help keep my sugar stable. My diabetes counsellor
>>> did caution that I must not take it for granted that I will never get a
>>> hypo, and remembering that it is not a pleasant experience when it
>>> happens to me, I just do my own thing anyway.
>>>
>>> I don't know what strategy you are going to adopt, but for my two cents'
>>> worth, I would suggest that in order to argue a stronger case for the
>>> rights of diabetics, diabetes should, in addition to being a health care
>>> concern, also be dealt with as a disability. Believe me, if my
>>> experience is anything to go by, even a liberal constitution, without
>>> the political will to enforce the rights of persons, has a value which
>>> does not exceed a piece of toilet paper. The only way in which you can
>>> stand a very good chance to win this one, is to try and fit as many
>>> strings to your bow as possible.
>>>
>>> I must conclude on a positive note by saying that due to its structure
>>> and mechanism, the NFB naturally lends itself to the kind of strategy I
>>> advocate. The fact that there is a diabetes list on the NFB site rather
>>> speaks for itself in this regard. What needs to happen is that this mode
>>> of thinking is something which you would have to communicate to your
>>> congressmen over there, as well.
>>>
>>> HTH.
>>>
>>> Michael Park
>>> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the
>>> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>>>
>>> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving high
>>> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as
>>> portability.
>>>
>>>    NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2010/11/22 18:08, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>> Here in NY I have had 5 people call me one after the other, who have
>>>> insurance companies that get the prodigy test strips from Liberty
>>>> Medical.
>>>>
>>>> Liberty Medical is telling people and sending out letters that Prodigy
>>>> is
>>>> not making the meters and strips any longer.
>>>>
>>>> I just got off the Prodigy.com they said no such a thing is going on.
>>>>
>>>> For some reason Liberty Medical is no longer carrying the prodigy
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>>> My question is for Kelly and others on the list.
>>>>
>>>> Um, what do people do who have no other choice with there insurance on
>>>> who
>>>> to use for the durable medical supplies for the prodigy strips.  First
>>>> ADS
>>>> and now Liberty Medical, they are also a company that handles a lot of
>>>> Medicare clients, since they are a durable medical supplier for
>>>> Medicare.
>>>>
>>>> Should we be aware of other companies that are not carrying the product
>>>> anymore?
>>>>
>>>> This is a legit question, I am not trying to be rude and nasty, since I
>>>> was
>>>> just elected as board member of the Newly created DAN Division here in
>>>> NY.
>>>> I will be doing a lot of fact finding not only for NY but for this
>>>> division
>>>> as well, since I am a medical insurance specialist as well, that people
>>>> need
>>>> alternatives to getting there supplies.
>>>>
>>>> Like myself I am still having issues in the future of getting my 
>>>> lantus,
>>>> my
>>>> doctor had to call in an override to the insurance company and into
>>>> Medco
>>>> where I get my meds.
>>>>
>>>> I have spoken to my congressman's office and they are helping me with
>>>> this
>>>> issue.  Hopefully but the end of the month I will not have to worry
>>>> about
>>>> Lantus, we are trying to get me on the insulin pump, but at the same
>>>> time if
>>>> I cannot get on it, and I can't use another insulin for my diabetes, we
>>>> need
>>>> to talk to congress when we are in Washington this year about this, and
>>>> let
>>>> them know the problems with our insurance companies and suppliers as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>>>
>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>>>> 1-866-580-5574
>>>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>>
>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>>> CST-1018299-10
>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel
>>>> Inc.
>>>>
>>>> join my yahoogroup
>>>> echevarriatravel-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>>>>
>>>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:02:29 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get
> these prodigy voice test strips
> Message-ID: <D4D4FCE045334C8CA51F6388A1936B48 at owner1e06aeb63>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> With respect, is problematic at best to speak or write of a "diabetic 
> diet".
> Diets must be catered to the needs/wishes of each individual.  I, for
> instance, eat a diet rather heavy on the protein and a bit low on the 
> carbs
> but, within reason, I don't worry about fat.  On the other hand, someone
> whose diabetes was caused at least in part by being overweight (and,
> frankly, it's unproven whether the excess weight caused the diabetes or 
> vice
> versa -- one British study recently indicates it might be vice versa) 
> would
> go low-fat and light on the cholesterol.
>
> Moreover, while if a "diabetic" meal was truly requested by the New York
> affiliate and one wasn't provided, there was a breach of contract. 
> However,
> I think I'd ask Carl Jacobson (NY affiliate President) about this before 
> I'd
> get up-in-arms.
>
> Additionally, no one forced anyone to *eat* the large cookie.  Diabetes is
> one of those diseases whose patients are cursed (or blessed) with the 
> burden
> of largely controlling their disease on their own.  So while I agree with
> Mr. Parks that diabetes is a disability in the meaning specified by the
> Americans with Disabilities Act and that on-the-job or -in-school 
> reasonable
> accommodations should be sought when necessary, I profoundly disagree that
> people should necessarily cater to the needs of diabetics.  In the case of
> his luncheon where he went low, why did not he have a power-bar or
> appropriate high-protein, low-carb snack with him to substitute for the 
> late
> lunch?  If we wish the freedom to deal with the diabetes in the fashion we
> think mete, we must also accept the responsibility for dealing with it and
> not always expect others to do for us what we ought to be doing for
> ourselves.  WE can't have it both ways.
>
> Finally, in the service of making absolutely everyone mad at me (grin), I
> note that there was a recent study consisting of a meta-analysis of 
> several
> other studies comprising some 300,000 subjects (a suitably large sample)
> that showed absolutely *no* relationship between saturated and trans-fat 
> and
> heart disease!  It was reported in the mainstream press and in Diabetes
> Self-management Quarterly but you can bet that it only appeared for a few
> days until the guardians of medical orthodoxy closed ranks to give it the
> old "look the other way" treatment.
>
> My point is not to weigh in on that controversy although I suspect the 
> study
> is right.  Rather, my point is to caution that we -- that is, homo sapiens
> sapiens -- know far less about nutrition than we think we do and that we
> must work out for ourselves what works best.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Park" <pageforpage at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get 
> these
> prodigy voice test strips
>
>
>>I unfortunately don't have the money to do this, but I wondered how it
>>would go down if one could open a restaurant which catered exclusively for
>>diabetics, I mean in terms of portion sizes and a reasonable modification
>>of the so-called generic diabetic diet to meet the needs of people who had
>>gone a bit beyond the mere dietition's framework with meal planning. You
>>would of course not mention that it is a restaurant for diabetics, but you
>>could still as part of the cover-up, if you like, still have the sugar on
>>the tables for the non-diabetics. I wonder if non-diabetic patrons of such
>>a restaurant would even be anything the wiser for it?
>>
>> The point that I am making here is that if everyone ate like diabetics,
>> they would not starve. I eat well on my diet and although the meals are
>> smaller than I used to eat, I can honestly say that when I stick to the
>> eating plan that has been developed for me, I am actually full after
>> meals. Temptations to eat inbetween save for my scheduled snacks is kept
>> to a minimum.
>>
>> When I have counselled diabetics here, I have always tried to encourage
>> the family to also eat as if they are diabetics, and when a diabetic is
>> referred to a dietition, I refer the whole family.
>>
>> As to the lunch which was not diabetic friendly and for which the state
>> affiliate paid, it sucks. They should actually get their money back for
>> it.
>>
>> However, I wonder if a lot of caterers really understand diabetes. I have
>> an absolute picnic when I go out to formal dinners and nowadays, even
>> appear picky to the extent of being an offense to people at the table.
>>
>> Michael Park
>> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the
>> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>>
>> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving high
>> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as
>> portability.
>>
>>  NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>>
>>
>> On 2010/11/22 20:41, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>> well Michael they don't get it right here either.  I belong to the NY
>>> State
>>> Affiliate I am the treasurer of the Greater Long Island Chapter. I did
>>> not
>>> attend this year's state convention, but I am the a board member officer
>>> of
>>> the NY State Diabetic Action Network and the Hotel that they had our
>>> state
>>> convention in, there idea of a diabetic lunch was to give us all Giant
>>> cookies for desert.  I don't' remember what else was served, but was 
>>> told
>>> the lunch was not a diabetic one and we ordered one.
>>>
>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>>
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>>> 1-866-580-5574
>>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>> CST-1018299-10
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel
>>> Inc.
>>>
>>> join my yahoogroup
>>> echevarriatravel-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Park"<pageforpage at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind"<diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get
>>> these
>>> prodigy voice test strips
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Cheryl.
>>>>
>>>> You are not alone in this one. We have similar problems here in South
>>>> Africa. On the government health care system, they require you to have
>>>> an Accu-chek Active meter in order to get strips from the government.
>>>> However, some little idiot in the burocracy is clamping down on people
>>>> getting free testing strips here.
>>>>
>>>> I currently use a One Touch Profile, without a voice, of course, but my
>>>> wife does the checking for me. I had considered changing over to the
>>>> Accu-chek till my diabetologist advised me on the state of the nation 
>>>> as
>>>> far as strips go. The strips for the One Touch Profile are hellishly
>>>> expensive, but having done my sums, I have found that in the long term,
>>>> staying with Johnson And Johnson is actually going to be cheaper for me
>>>> than to switch over to the Roche product. For one, glucometers are
>>>> expensive here and for another the Accu-chek Active strips cost ten
>>>> percent more than the strips for the One Touch Profile.
>>>>
>>>> A significant part of the reason why diabetics in this part of the 
>>>> world
>>>> do not test as regularly as they ought, is the cost of the strips.
>>>> However, I operate as a diabetes counsellor both in our local church 
>>>> and
>>>> under the umbrella of an organisation called Disability Connection,
>>>> having fought a long, lonely  and bitter fight to get the organisation
>>>> to recognise diabetes as a disability, and yet it still happens that
>>>> diabetics are not always catered for at functions. I cannot be a
>>>> diabetes counsellor with a less than exemplary lifestyle, and I am very
>>>> conscious of my own situation.
>>>>
>>>> On a recent occasion at a DC meeting, for instance, due to rank bad and
>>>> unprofessional organisation, lunch was served two whole hours late with
>>>> the embarrassing result that I went hypo during a meeting. While hypos
>>>> can always be fixed, I would surmise that it would actually be better 
>>>> to
>>>> try and prevent them rather than fix them. It goes without saying that 
>>>> I
>>>> had a word or two to say to the organisers, that does not bear 
>>>> repeating
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how you are intending to tackle the problem with congress,
>>>> but I mention my argument here that diabetes is a disability, purely on
>>>> the basis that I understand a disability to be a condition which has as
>>>> its effect, the denial of a person to the normal amenities of life.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, diabetics are not necessarily crippled as a result of the
>>>> condition, but if I take myself as an extreme example of a relatively
>>>> healthy diabetic for instance, I cannot just eat and drink as I like. I
>>>> have to be on a special diet which lays down requirements not only of
>>>> what I may and may not have, but also the times when I have to have
>>>> specific things and in my book, that effectively entails the denial of
>>>> enjoyment of the amenities of life. If a diabetic goes hypo, for
>>>> instance, that also involves a denial of the enjoyment of the amenities
>>>> of life. When I do go hypo, I am unable to function for the rest of the
>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>> I mention this because in our bill of rights to the constitution, 
>>>> health
>>>> care is supposed to be an entrenched right and so too, the right of
>>>> disabled persons not to be discriminated against. The reason why I
>>>> fought this campaign out here is quite simply, to get diabetics onto 
>>>> the
>>>> same ticket as people with disabilities, thereby effectively
>>>> strengthening the case of the diabetic community to bargain a better
>>>> deal for itself.
>>>>
>>>> I speak under correction, but if my memory serves me right, one could
>>>> interpret your bill of rights in a similar manner to ours, namely that
>>>> the right to health care is entrenched, and that discrimination against
>>>> disabled persons is unlawful. Furthermore, your Disabled Persons Act of
>>>> 2000 also has a very net of provisions protecting disabled persons.
>>>>
>>>> In my experience, people generally don't consider diabetics either and
>>>> so I reciprocate mutually. Come snack time during the day, I fish out 
>>>> my
>>>> fruit without asking and explaining and if people don't like it, then 
>>>> as
>>>> far as I am concerned, they can hop. As I said to one person rather
>>>> bluntly recently, they are not going to take care of my health, and so 
>>>> I
>>>> will do that on my terms. Even when I go to functions now, and my
>>>> medication has been changed so that I don't have as many hypos anymore,
>>>> I take my precautions for the meal being late and I take an extra fruit
>>>> along with me just to help keep my sugar stable. My diabetes counsellor
>>>> did caution that I must not take it for granted that I will never get a
>>>> hypo, and remembering that it is not a pleasant experience when it
>>>> happens to me, I just do my own thing anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what strategy you are going to adopt, but for my two 
>>>> cents'
>>>> worth, I would suggest that in order to argue a stronger case for the
>>>> rights of diabetics, diabetes should, in addition to being a health 
>>>> care
>>>> concern, also be dealt with as a disability. Believe me, if my
>>>> experience is anything to go by, even a liberal constitution, without
>>>> the political will to enforce the rights of persons, has a value which
>>>> does not exceed a piece of toilet paper. The only way in which you can
>>>> stand a very good chance to win this one, is to try and fit as many
>>>> strings to your bow as possible.
>>>>
>>>> I must conclude on a positive note by saying that due to its structure
>>>> and mechanism, the NFB naturally lends itself to the kind of strategy I
>>>> advocate. The fact that there is a diabetes list on the NFB site rather
>>>> speaks for itself in this regard. What needs to happen is that this 
>>>> mode
>>>> of thinking is something which you would have to communicate to your
>>>> congressmen over there, as well.
>>>>
>>>> HTH.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Park
>>>> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in 
>>>> the
>>>> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>>>>
>>>> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving 
>>>> high
>>>> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as
>>>> portability.
>>>>
>>>>    NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2010/11/22 18:08, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>>> Here in NY I have had 5 people call me one after the other, who have
>>>>> insurance companies that get the prodigy test strips from Liberty
>>>>> Medical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Liberty Medical is telling people and sending out letters that Prodigy
>>>>> is
>>>>> not making the meters and strips any longer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just got off the Prodigy.com they said no such a thing is going on.
>>>>>
>>>>> For some reason Liberty Medical is no longer carrying the prodigy
>>>>> products.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is for Kelly and others on the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, what do people do who have no other choice with there insurance on
>>>>> who
>>>>> to use for the durable medical supplies for the prodigy strips.  First
>>>>> ADS
>>>>> and now Liberty Medical, they are also a company that handles a lot of
>>>>> Medicare clients, since they are a durable medical supplier for
>>>>> Medicare.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should we be aware of other companies that are not carrying the 
>>>>> product
>>>>> anymore?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a legit question, I am not trying to be rude and nasty, since 
>>>>> I
>>>>> was
>>>>> just elected as board member of the Newly created DAN Division here in
>>>>> NY.
>>>>> I will be doing a lot of fact finding not only for NY but for this
>>>>> division
>>>>> as well, since I am a medical insurance specialist as well, that 
>>>>> people
>>>>> need
>>>>> alternatives to getting there supplies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like myself I am still having issues in the future of getting my
>>>>> lantus,
>>>>> my
>>>>> doctor had to call in an override to the insurance company and into
>>>>> Medco
>>>>> where I get my meds.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have spoken to my congressman's office and they are helping me with
>>>>> this
>>>>> issue.  Hopefully but the end of the month I will not have to worry
>>>>> about
>>>>> Lantus, we are trying to get me on the insulin pump, but at the same
>>>>> time if
>>>>> I cannot get on it, and I can't use another insulin for my diabetes, 
>>>>> we
>>>>> need
>>>>> to talk to congress when we are in Washington this year about this, 
>>>>> and
>>>>> let
>>>>> them know the problems with our insurance companies and suppliers as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>>>>> 1-866-580-5574
>>>>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>>>> CST-1018299-10
>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and 
>>>>> Travel
>>>>> Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>> join my yahoogroup
>>>>> echevarriatravel-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:05:25 -0800
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: [Nfb-fundraising] Funds Drying Up?
> Then Why IsThis List Dead, Too? We Need Eachother!
> Message-ID: <63AFAE0D79264A4BA3F03AD9A376CD60 at owner1e06aeb63>
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> reply-type=response
>
> Lets see ... we're doing the Race for Independence, the Text-to-give
> program, the Braille Readers are Leaders contest with NABS's spin of being
> paid for the amount read ... seems to me there's plenty of fund-raising
> going on.  Yes, we need to raise funds but one can only squeeze the turnip
> so much.
>
> Over on the fund-raising list, David Evans is right:  the trick is to find
> fund-raisers that chapter members or division members can truly buy into
> enough to sacrifice for.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Diane" <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:45 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: [Nfb-fundraising] Funds Drying Up? Then Why
> IsThis List Dead, Too? We Need Eachother!
>
>
>>> It is indeed time to start thinking about a fund raiser for National!
>>> We still have the Mickey Mouse earrings, and I was wondering what y'all
>>> thought about putting together some foot creams.  My Mom sells AVON and
>>> they are really great for feet, diabetic or not.
>>> D
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Everett Gavel" <everett at everettgavel.com>
>>> To: <nfb-fundraising at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:31 PM
>>> Subject: [Nfb-fundraising] Funds Drying Up? Then Why Is This List
>>> Dead,Too? We Need Eachother!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I've been gone awhile.  Spent the last year in Louisiana, actually.  I
>>>> unsubbed from numerous lists due to the schedule the LCB puts you
>>>> through.
>>>> But I'm back in Northeast Ohio now.  And I've re-joined this list to 
>>>> get
>>>> and
>>>> give help with future fund raising.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, if I'm reading the archives right, for the last few months only
>>>> one
>>>> message per month has been going through, and none at all in September
>>>> and
>>>> July.  One message regarding Steve joining (which no one seems to have
>>>> responded to), and one on NEWSLINE funding in need of help.
>>>>
>>>> First, "Welcome Steve." Glad you're here.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Now, I know the NEWSLINE funding is hurting, among other things.  I
>>>> wonder
>>>> if there's any correlation between such a lack of funding, and the
>>>> apparent
>>>> lack of enthusiasm among the more than 100 subscribers to this list 
>>>> from
>>>> across the nation?
>>>>
>>>> We can make it look good for ourselves by saying we're president of
>>>> this,
>>>> chairperson of that, and subscribed to this and a member of that.  But
>>>> do
>>>> the actions or the results at all back-up our titles, memberships, or
>>>> subscriptions?  And so as not to be a total hypocrite here, I admit 
>>>> I've
>>>> talked far more than taken action over the years.  All I know to do is
>>>> simply keep trying to improve, day by day.  One of my favorite quotes I
>>>> try
>>>> to keep in mind anymore is:
>>>>
>>>> "The smallest good deed is better than the greatest of good 
>>>> intentions."
>>>> (author unknown)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We get far less from this list if all we do is, more often than not,
>>>> wait
>>>> and hope for others to give us ideas and tips.  Please, let's get back
>>>> to
>>>> asking questions, asking for help, and sharing any tips or ideas that
>>>> have
>>>> worked for your local chapter or group when others ask for help.
>>>>
>>>> We need to help eachother thrive, or our favorite programs, services,
>>>> events, etc., may not survive.
>>>>
>>>> So with all that being said..... what is your chapter, affiliate, or
>>>> division up to these days as far as fundraising, friendraising, or
>>>> awareness
>>>> raising goes?
>>>>
>>>> Here in the Greater Akron, OH area, we're about to have a "revival" 
>>>> sort
>>>> of
>>>> meeting, to renew interest and gain some members who hopefully will 
>>>> want
>>>> to
>>>> take action and truly help our community.  In the past year, we've had
>>>> some
>>>> key members move away, some got life-changing illnesses, and other
>>>> members
>>>> who simply left rather than step-up and help out.  So we're struggling
>>>> momentarily.  Down -- but not out!
>>>>
>>>> Our "Get to Know the NFB" Revival meeting will be in the spring. Then 
>>>> in
>>>> April or May we'll be having our annual Bowl-a-thon.  We're in the
>>>> double
>>>> digits now with that event, as far as years go.  Same with our October
>>>> Walk-A-Thon.  How about you?  What's your chapter got planned through
>>>> 2011?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't Just Survive. Strive--and Thrive!
>>>> Everett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:14:03 -0800
> From: Veronica Elsea <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get
> these prodigy voice test strips
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> And in addition to everything you said Mike, you know, once in
> awhile, frankly, yep! I'll push that button and enjoy the cookie. So
> there! <grin.>
> Once when I was stuck boarding a plane, then being taken off because
> of a mechanical problem and forced to wait in a little room for 8
> hours, after running through my supplies, I had to ask the airline
> staff for some food because I was going low. They did honor my
> request. But I'm not sure I'd even know what to feed a large group
> who said diabetic diet. I can see sensible and balanced. But if the
> portions of any meal put in front of me are too big, I just stop when
> I think I've had enough.
>
> Veronica
> We Woof You A Merry Christmas! Diabetes Melodious! And more!
> Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever!
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> 877-607-6407
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 07:09:53 -0500
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get
> these prodigy voice test strips
> Message-ID: <BAY110-DS247796880060F47022494FA13E0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The point I was making is that people didn't get we are diabetic, many 
> from
> my understanding didn't eat the lunch that we paid for.
>
> Has nothing to do with the Cookie.  Jus the point.
>
> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://Echevarriatravel.com
> 1-866-580-5574
> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
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> CST-1018299-10
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> Inc.
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>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get 
> these
> prodigy voice test strips
>
>
>> And in addition to everything you said Mike, you know, once in
>> awhile, frankly, yep! I'll push that button and enjoy the cookie. So
>> there! <grin.>
>> Once when I was stuck boarding a plane, then being taken off because
>> of a mechanical problem and forced to wait in a little room for 8
>> hours, after running through my supplies, I had to ask the airline
>> staff for some food because I was going low. They did honor my
>> request. But I'm not sure I'd even know what to feed a large group
>> who said diabetic diet. I can see sensible and balanced. But if the
>> portions of any meal put in front of me are too big, I just stop when
>> I think I've had enough.
>>
>> Veronica
>> We Woof You A Merry Christmas! Diabetes Melodious! And more!
>> Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever!
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> 877-607-6407
>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:39:21 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Fw: [Nfb-fundraising] Funds Drying Up?
> Then Why Is This List Dead, Too? We Need Eachother!
> Message-ID: <20101123163921.13980.20127 at ip-10-122-73-77.ec2.internal>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> I love the foot cream from Avon.
> I get it all of the time.
> I would order from you.
> Not allot, I don't have allot to give out, but I would order.
> Keep me posted.
>
> Original message:
>>> It is indeed time to start thinking about a fund raiser for National!
>>> We still have the Mickey Mouse earrings, and I was wondering what y'all
>>> thought about putting together some foot creams.  My Mom sells AVON and
>>> they are really great for feet, diabetic or not.
>>> D
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Everett Gavel" <everett at everettgavel.com>
>>> To: <nfb-fundraising at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:31 PM
>>> Subject: [Nfb-fundraising] Funds Drying Up? Then Why Is This List
>>> Dead,Too? We Need Eachother!
>
>
>>>> Hi All,
>
>>>> I've been gone awhile.  Spent the last year in Louisiana, actually.  I
>>>> unsubbed from numerous lists due to the schedule the LCB puts you
>>>> through.
>>>> But I'm back in Northeast Ohio now.  And I've re-joined this list to 
>>>> get
>>>> and
>>>> give help with future fund raising.
>
>>>> Sadly, if I'm reading the archives right, for the last few months only
>>>> one
>>>> message per month has been going through, and none at all in September
>>>> and
>>>> July.  One message regarding Steve joining (which no one seems to have
>>>> responded to), and one on NEWSLINE funding in need of help.
>
>>>> First, "Welcome Steve." Glad you're here.  ;-)
>
>>>> Now, I know the NEWSLINE funding is hurting, among other things.  I
>>>> wonder
>>>> if there's any correlation between such a lack of funding, and the
>>>> apparent
>>>> lack of enthusiasm among the more than 100 subscribers to this list 
>>>> from
>>>> across the nation?
>
>>>> We can make it look good for ourselves by saying we're president of 
>>>> this,
>>>> chairperson of that, and subscribed to this and a member of that.  But 
>>>> do
>>>> the actions or the results at all back-up our titles, memberships, or
>>>> subscriptions?  And so as not to be a total hypocrite here, I admit 
>>>> I've
>>>> talked far more than taken action over the years.  All I know to do is
>>>> simply keep trying to improve, day by day.  One of my favorite quotes I
>>>> try
>>>> to keep in mind anymore is:
>
>>>> "The smallest good deed is better than the greatest of good 
>>>> intentions."
>>>> (author unknown)
>
>
>>>> We get far less from this list if all we do is, more often than not, 
>>>> wait
>>>> and hope for others to give us ideas and tips.  Please, let's get back 
>>>> to
>>>> asking questions, asking for help, and sharing any tips or ideas that
>>>> have
>>>> worked for your local chapter or group when others ask for help.
>
>>>> We need to help eachother thrive, or our favorite programs, services,
>>>> events, etc., may not survive.
>
>>>> So with all that being said..... what is your chapter, affiliate, or
>>>> division up to these days as far as fundraising, friendraising, or
>>>> awareness
>>>> raising goes?
>
>>>> Here in the Greater Akron, OH area, we're about to have a "revival" 
>>>> sort
>>>> of
>>>> meeting, to renew interest and gain some members who hopefully will 
>>>> want
>>>> to
>>>> take action and truly help our community.  In the past year, we've had
>>>> some
>>>> key members move away, some got life-changing illnesses, and other
>>>> members
>>>> who simply left rather than step-up and help out.  So we're struggling
>>>> momentarily.  Down -- but not out!
>
>>>> Our "Get to Know the NFB" Revival meeting will be in the spring. Then 
>>>> in
>>>> April or May we'll be having our annual Bowl-a-thon.  We're in the 
>>>> double
>>>> digits now with that event, as far as years go.  Same with our October
>>>> Walk-A-Thon.  How about you?  What's your chapter got planned through
>>>> 2011?
>
>
>>>> Don't Just Survive. Strive--and Thrive!
>>>> Everett
>
>
>
>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:47:20 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get
> these prodigy voice test strips
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>
> I have to say that when I go out to eat I choose what I can eat, and
> then I fit in with the others.
> For someones home, I do the same thing.
> Just watch how much is put on the plate.
> With all of us being in different states, it would be hard to get
> something started like that across the country. I would think.
> I know they are trying harder for children, so I am sure something
> could be done.
>
> Original message:
>> I unfortunately don't have the money to do this, but I wondered how it
>> would go down if one could open a restaurant which catered exclusively
>> for diabetics, I mean in terms of portion sizes and a reasonable
>> modification of the so-called generic diabetic diet to meet the needs of
>> people who had gone a bit beyond the mere dietition's framework with
>> meal planning. You would of course not mention that it is a restaurant
>> for diabetics, but you could still as part of the cover-up, if you like,
>> still have the sugar on the tables for the non-diabetics. I wonder if
>> non-diabetic patrons of such a restaurant would even be anything the
>> wiser for it?
>
>> The point that I am making here is that if everyone ate like diabetics,
>> they would not starve. I eat well on my diet and although the meals are
>> smaller than I used to eat, I can honestly say that when I stick to the
>> eating plan that has been developed for me, I am actually full after
>> meals. Temptations to eat inbetween save for my scheduled snacks is kept
>> to a minimum.
>
>> When I have counselled diabetics here, I have always tried to encourage
>> the family to also eat as if they are diabetics, and when a diabetic is
>> referred to a dietition, I refer the whole family.
>
>> As to the lunch which was not diabetic friendly and for which the state
>> affiliate paid, it sucks. They should actually get their money back for 
>> it.
>
>> However, I wonder if a lot of caterers really understand diabetes. I
>> have an absolute picnic when I go out to formal dinners and nowadays,
>> even appear picky to the extent of being an offense to people at the 
>> table.
>
>> Michael Park
>> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in
>> the tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>
>> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving
>> high quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well
>> as portability.
>
>>   NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>
>
>> On 2010/11/22 20:41, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>> well Michael they don't get it right here either.  I belong to the NY 
>>> State
>>> Affiliate I am the treasurer of the Greater Long Island Chapter. I did 
>>> not
>>> attend this year's state convention, but I am the a board member officer 
>>> of
>>> the NY State Diabetic Action Network and the Hotel that they had our 
>>> state
>>> convention in, there idea of a diabetic lunch was to give us all Giant
>>> cookies for desert.  I don't' remember what else was served, but was 
>>> told
>>> the lunch was not a diabetic one and we ordered one.
>
>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>>> 1-866-580-5574
>>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel 
>>> CST-1018299-10
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and Travel 
>>> Inc.
>
>>> join my yahoogroup
>>> echevarriatravel-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Park"<pageforpage at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind"<diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] For those who have Liberty Medical to get 
>>> these
>>> prodigy voice test strips
>
>
>>>> Hi Cheryl.
>
>>>> You are not alone in this one. We have similar problems here in South
>>>> Africa. On the government health care system, they require you to have
>>>> an Accu-chek Active meter in order to get strips from the government.
>>>> However, some little idiot in the burocracy is clamping down on people
>>>> getting free testing strips here.
>
>>>> I currently use a One Touch Profile, without a voice, of course, but my
>>>> wife does the checking for me. I had considered changing over to the
>>>> Accu-chek till my diabetologist advised me on the state of the nation 
>>>> as
>>>> far as strips go. The strips for the One Touch Profile are hellishly
>>>> expensive, but having done my sums, I have found that in the long term,
>>>> staying with Johnson And Johnson is actually going to be cheaper for me
>>>> than to switch over to the Roche product. For one, glucometers are
>>>> expensive here and for another the Accu-chek Active strips cost ten
>>>> percent more than the strips for the One Touch Profile.
>
>>>> A significant part of the reason why diabetics in this part of the 
>>>> world
>>>> do not test as regularly as they ought, is the cost of the strips.
>>>> However, I operate as a diabetes counsellor both in our local church 
>>>> and
>>>> under the umbrella of an organisation called Disability Connection,
>>>> having fought a long, lonely  and bitter fight to get the organisation
>>>> to recognise diabetes as a disability, and yet it still happens that
>>>> diabetics are not always catered for at functions. I cannot be a
>>>> diabetes counsellor with a less than exemplary lifestyle, and I am very
>>>> conscious of my own situation.
>
>>>> On a recent occasion at a DC meeting, for instance, due to rank bad and
>>>> unprofessional organisation, lunch was served two whole hours late with
>>>> the embarrassing result that I went hypo during a meeting. While hypos
>>>> can always be fixed, I would surmise that it would actually be better 
>>>> to
>>>> try and prevent them rather than fix them. It goes without saying that 
>>>> I
>>>> had a word or two to say to the organisers, that does not bear 
>>>> repeating
>>>> here.
>
>>>> I don't know how you are intending to tackle the problem with congress,
>>>> but I mention my argument here that diabetes is a disability, purely on
>>>> the basis that I understand a disability to be a condition which has as
>>>> its effect, the denial of a person to the normal amenities of life.
>
>>>> Sure, diabetics are not necessarily crippled as a result of the
>>>> condition, but if I take myself as an extreme example of a relatively
>>>> healthy diabetic for instance, I cannot just eat and drink as I like. I
>>>> have to be on a special diet which lays down requirements not only of
>>>> what I may and may not have, but also the times when I have to have
>>>> specific things and in my book, that effectively entails the denial of
>>>> enjoyment of the amenities of life. If a diabetic goes hypo, for
>>>> instance, that also involves a denial of the enjoyment of the amenities
>>>> of life. When I do go hypo, I am unable to function for the rest of the
>>>> day.
>
>>>> I mention this because in our bill of rights to the constitution, 
>>>> health
>>>> care is supposed to be an entrenched right and so too, the right of
>>>> disabled persons not to be discriminated against. The reason why I
>>>> fought this campaign out here is quite simply, to get diabetics onto 
>>>> the
>>>> same ticket as people with disabilities, thereby effectively
>>>> strengthening the case of the diabetic community to bargain a better
>>>> deal for itself.
>
>>>> I speak under correction, but if my memory serves me right, one could
>>>> interpret your bill of rights in a similar manner to ours, namely that
>>>> the right to health care is entrenched, and that discrimination against
>>>> disabled persons is unlawful. Furthermore, your Disabled Persons Act of
>>>> 2000 also has a very net of provisions protecting disabled persons.
>
>>>> In my experience, people generally don't consider diabetics either and
>>>> so I reciprocate mutually. Come snack time during the day, I fish out 
>>>> my
>>>> fruit without asking and explaining and if people don't like it, then 
>>>> as
>>>> far as I am concerned, they can hop. As I said to one person rather
>>>> bluntly recently, they are not going to take care of my health, and so 
>>>> I
>>>> will do that on my terms. Even when I go to functions now, and my
>>>> medication has been changed so that I don't have as many hypos anymore,
>>>> I take my precautions for the meal being late and I take an extra fruit
>>>> along with me just to help keep my sugar stable. My diabetes counsellor
>>>> did caution that I must not take it for granted that I will never get a
>>>> hypo, and remembering that it is not a pleasant experience when it
>>>> happens to me, I just do my own thing anyway.
>
>>>> I don't know what strategy you are going to adopt, but for my two 
>>>> cents'
>>>> worth, I would suggest that in order to argue a stronger case for the
>>>> rights of diabetics, diabetes should, in addition to being a health 
>>>> care
>>>> concern, also be dealt with as a disability. Believe me, if my
>>>> experience is anything to go by, even a liberal constitution, without
>>>> the political will to enforce the rights of persons, has a value which
>>>> does not exceed a piece of toilet paper. The only way in which you can
>>>> stand a very good chance to win this one, is to try and fit as many
>>>> strings to your bow as possible.
>
>>>> I must conclude on a positive note by saying that due to its structure
>>>> and mechanism, the NFB naturally lends itself to the kind of strategy I
>>>> advocate. The fact that there is a diabetes list on the NFB site rather
>>>> speaks for itself in this regard. What needs to happen is that this 
>>>> mode
>>>> of thinking is something which you would have to communicate to your
>>>> congressmen over there, as well.
>
>>>> HTH.
>
>>>> Michael Park
>>>> "I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in 
>>>> the
>>>> tents of wickedness." (psalm 84:10 NKJV).
>
>>>> We support NVDA, a free screenreading program for the blind, giving 
>>>> high
>>>> quality computer access to many commercial applications, as well as
>>>> portability.
>
>>>>    NVDA 2010.2 has been released.
>
>
>>>> On 2010/11/22 18:08, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>>> Here in NY I have had 5 people call me one after the other, who have
>>>>> insurance companies that get the prodigy test strips from Liberty
>>>>> Medical.
>
>>>>> Liberty Medical is telling people and sending out letters that Prodigy
>>>>> is
>>>>> not making the meters and strips any longer.
>
>>>>> I just got off the Prodigy.com they said no such a thing is going on.
>
>>>>> For some reason Liberty Medical is no longer carrying the prodigy
>>>>> products.
>
>>>>> My question is for Kelly and others on the list.
>
>>>>> Um, what do people do who have no other choice with there insurance on
>>>>> who
>>>>> to use for the durable medical supplies for the prodigy strips.  First
>>>>> ADS
>>>>> and now Liberty Medical, they are also a company that handles a lot of
>>>>> Medicare clients, since they are a durable medical supplier for
>>>>> Medicare.
>
>>>>> Should we be aware of other companies that are not carrying the 
>>>>> product
>>>>> anymore?
>
>>>>> This is a legit question, I am not trying to be rude and nasty, since 
>>>>> I
>>>>> was
>>>>> just elected as board member of the Newly created DAN Division here in
>>>>> NY.
>>>>> I will be doing a lot of fact finding not only for NY but for this
>>>>> division
>>>>> as well, since I am a medical insurance specialist as well, that 
>>>>> people
>>>>> need
>>>>> alternatives to getting there supplies.
>
>>>>> Like myself I am still having issues in the future of getting my 
>>>>> lantus,
>>>>> my
>>>>> doctor had to call in an override to the insurance company and into
>>>>> Medco
>>>>> where I get my meds.
>
>>>>> I have spoken to my congressman's office and they are helping me with
>>>>> this
>>>>> issue.  Hopefully but the end of the month I will not have to worry
>>>>> about
>>>>> Lantus, we are trying to get me on the insulin pump, but at the same
>>>>> time if
>>>>> I cannot get on it, and I can't use another insulin for my diabetes, 
>>>>> we
>>>>> need
>>>>> to talk to congress when we are in Washington this year about this, 
>>>>> and
>>>>> let
>>>>> them know the problems with our insurance companies and suppliers as
>>>>> well.
>
>>>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>
>>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>> http://Echevarriatravel.com
>>>>> 1-866-580-5574
>>>>> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>
>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>>>> CST-1018299-10
>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise and 
>>>>> Travel
>>>>> Inc.
>
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>
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