[Diabetes-talk] intuitive eating and textures Re:Excellent Article

Wed Jun 20 15:59:27 UTC 2012

I agree with you; educating people about diabetes and what you can and can't 
eat is an almost impossible task (smile). It is similar to educating people 
you meet about blindness; many things are worth challenging and others you 
grin and bear hoping that further acquaintance will remove those 
assumptions.

Chanelle

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From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] intuitive eating and textures Re:ExcellentArticle> Mike I have always looked up to you, and I always feel you know more than 
I until now.
> the ID mate has done wonderful things for my diet, and it also helps my 
> husbands diet, now that we can read as many lables as we can from cans 
> bottles packages boxes and more.
> We haven't had the ID mate long, for the short time we have though, we 
> have learned allot.
> What can get depressing though, looking example at a biscuit, just one can 
> take up all of the carbs for me I am allowed for a meal.
> Well trust me, not eating them often, when I do, I will have the rest of 
> the meal as well.  I realize not all of us can buy the ID mate, where if 
> you can, this will also help on how you eat.
> I understand how my diabetic coordinator said to me one time, if you have 
> Jelly just do a teaspoon.
> I couldn't figure out how she chose one teaspoon, until we read the jar 
> that said one teaspoon of jelly per serving.
> ah yes, the light went on.
> Now I understand.
> I am excited this time, because three months ago I got off insulin, and 
> just am on pills.
> I know by the numbers I have, my a one c will be much better.
> It will take a week for me to get it back, where I will share.
> Now I know you folks are better than I am on this, so that if is fine, 
> where for me I can't seem to keep celery or any vegetable products for a 
> long time before they go bad. I can't seem to eat them fast enough.
> another gripe I have on eating, where when you are in a crowd someone will 
> say to you, for diabetics we have water melon.
> the rest of us will have cake.
> First of all, I am not a mellon fan.
> My question is this,
> Where on gravey do folks get the idea they can decide what I can or can't 
> eat.
> I want to slap them silly.
> I don't, but gee it would be fun.
> thanks again for being you to share what is happening, and I love to read 
> comments.
>
> Original message:
>> Chanelle:
>
>> The one thing that is universal about diabetes is the old adage 
>> symbolized
>> by the initials YMMV -- Your Mileage May Vary. Each person's diabetes is
>> different from that of every other person although there are 
>> commonalities.
>> I write this as an introduction to what I shall say below so that you 
>> will
>> take it in the "for what it's worth" department rather than as the 
>> testimony
>> of an "expert" which I am most definitely not.
>
>> Once I learned the ins and outs of the wisdom (orthodox and otherwise) 
>> about
>> diabetes and switched to intensive insulin management, I ultimately did 
>> not
>> and do not find diabetes care to be overly-complex, a burden or requiring
>> the level of vigilance that you apparently do. AS I say, it's a case of
>> YMMV. But perhaps part of the key is that you say you aren't very good at
>> self-discipline (you said it; I did not so this is not criticism). I 
>> think
>> it's fair to say that good diabetes control *does* require a fair amount 
>> of
>> discipline. There's a good Braille Monitor article about this from a year 
>> or
>> two ago; it originally appeared in an issue of Diabetes Self-management
>> Quarterly from some time in 2009. I'll see if I can dig it up although, 
>> as I
>> say, it's in the Monitor. The article asserts that many people who have a
>> tough time with diabetes were not all that disciplined in other areas of
>> their lives (they did not have to be) so find it tough getting into the
>> groove re diabetes management. As I say, this is not criticism.
>
>> As for texture aversions, I don't have many although I did as a kid.
>> Although I liked their taste, I found oranges kind of yuchy in texture; 
>> same
>> went for peas, lima beans and avocados. Now the only thing I find kind of
>> weird is peas although I will eat them mixed in with other vegetables or
>> potatos. I think one just sets one's mind to getting over it and keeps
>> trying until one succeeds or decides the effort isn't worth it. I have a
>> nephew that doesn't like the texture of steak or rost beef or ribs -- I
>> think he's terminally mentally ill in this regard but it's his problem, 
>> not
>> mine. He likes hamburger, though -- go figure. But I think he just 
>> decided
>> it isn't worth it.
>
>> If you are *truly* low-carb, as in Richard K. Bernstein, I suspect fruit 
>> is
>> almost completely proscribed. Both South Beach and Atkins forbid fruit in
>> the first part of getting over carb cravings (the goal of the first few
>> weeks of their diets). South Beach, at least, reintroduces fruit after 
>> the
>> first strict phase of the diet when presumably carb cravings have been
>> tamed.
>
>> I never really had or have carb cravings or even sweet cravings (being a
>> chocoholic as a kid doesn't count). Not having a sense of smell, I can
>> understand why you'd have a sweet tooth. You'll have to work out your own
>> salvation there.
>
>> Although I tend to go for a somewhat low-carb diet and, unlike the
>> conventional wisdom dictates, I eat all the red meat I want, believing 
>> the
>> link between fat -- especially saturated fat -- and heart disease to be
>> tenuous at best, I do eat some carbohydrate.
>
>> I think it's fair to say that one can get vitamin C and trace minerals 
>> from
>> certain vegetables. But, all other things being equal, eating a wide 
>> variety
>> of foods (including fruit), tends to make it more likely that one will
>> receive all the nutrients one needs.
>
>> It certainly helps to be on insulin; although it's probably prudent to 
>> keep
>> the carb load down to a dull roar, at least one can compensate when one
>> *does* want something carby!
>
>> I do tend to subscribe to the intuitive eating theory; to me, it's the 
>> most
>> natural and makes sense. Besides, contrary to the current fad of
>> hand-wringing and "woe is me" thinking about American eating habits, the
>> latest statistics show mortality on average is *decreasing* in America, 
>> not
>> increasing. However, there is increasing evidence that, as a whole, we 
>> eat
>> far too much sugar. So, as Colleen says, ditch the guilt trip and eat
>> something delectable -- just don't get into the habit of it. (grin)
>
>> I don't suppose this helps much but it's grist for the mill.
>
>> Mike Freeman
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chanelle Allen
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:22 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] intuitive eating and textures Re: Excellent 
>> Article
>
>> I too enjoyed listening to the presenter at the DAN seminar last year (I
>> listened to the recording online). It would be wonderful if diabetes 
>> could
>> be reduced to a mere nuisance. The problem is that the vigilance, care, 
>> and
>> consistency required is overwhelming and takes up too much effort. I am 
>> not
>> strong-willed or self-disciplined. The book Diabetes Burnout suggests 
>> that
>> we are motivated to continue repeating destructive habits and that we 
>> don't
>> change if the costs outweigh the benefits. Just because we know we 
>> shouldn't
>
>> do something to avoid unpleasant consequences, that doesn't hinder people
>> from choosing the same thing again.
>> I started reading Health At Every Size: The Surprising Truth About Your
>> Weight by Linda Bacon, which discusses the intuitive eating approach.
>> Later in the book, Dr. Bacon recommends eating a variety of foods. I have 
>> a
>> problem where I gag on foods of certain textures--especially fruit. Even
>> mashed potatoes, which I like gives me that feeling if I eat too much. 
>> Has
>> anyone experienced a similar problem not liking certain textures and what
>> have you done to overcome it? I also don't have a sense of smell, so the
>> food I don't like does not have much appeal even if it is supposed to 
>> taste
>> good. Even eating the fruit that I like (sweet, crisp apples) doesn't 
>> take
>> away my sweet craving. I try to eat lots of vegetables, so maybe that 
>> makes
>> up for the lack of fruit. Is eating fruit still recommended on a low
>> carbohydrate diet? I use an insulin pump, so I can't make the excuse that
>> fruit will raise my blood sugar too high (smile).
>> I hope that I haven't gone off topic.
>
>> Chanelle
>
>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:02 AM
>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Excellent Article
>
>>> On 6/16/12, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>> Diabetics are often bombarded with advice on what's the "best" diet for
>>>> them
>>>> (as if diabetes is just one disease). The American diabetes Association
>>>> tells us not to eliminate carbs from our diet (ignoring the fact that 
>>>> the
>>>> Inuit did and are doing quite well, thank you, without much 
>>>> carbohydrate
>>>> in
>>>> the diet). The Atkins people hit us with just the opposite advice but
>>>> arouse
>>>> suspicion in some because of their association with certain types of
>>>> alternative medical therapies.
>
>
>
>>>> It seems as though the advice is driven as much by the current
>>>> politically-correct, medical and scientific fads as it is by solid
>>>> research
>>>> (which is damnably difficult to do when dealing with diets and
>>>> nutrition).
>>>> And seldom is the *real* science behind all these assertions carefully
>>>> and
>>>> rigorously examined. It's high time this changed. It's why I had a
>>>> different
>>>> sourt of dietitian at last year's DAN Seminar and why I often come 
>>>> across
>>>> as
>>>> a terminal skeptic.
>
>
>
>>>> Check out the blog post at the link shown below and get what seems to 
>>>> be
>>>> more the straight scoop on all this. Many of our most cherished and
>>>> unquestioned assumptions turn out to have little scientific basis.
>
>
>
>
>> http://www.drbriffa.com/2012/03/05/whats-wrong-with-the-dietary-advice-diabe
>>>> tes-uk-dishes-out-to-diabetics/
>
>
>
>>>> Mike Freeman
>
>
>
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>>> Ya know gang, I was at that DAN Seminar and I really appreciated what
>>> that lady had to say.  I think that the way she mapped things out
>>> makes one's diabetes far more manageable.  Blindness, (at least to
>>> most of us here), is a mere nuisance; a characteristic.  We should be
>>> able to make diabetes the same; a mere characteristic or condition
>>> which we ourselves are all able to manage and control without being
>>> forced by myth, misconception, and society in general to regard our
>>> diabetes as a curse!!  Can't have this; can't have that; gotta eat
>>> this; gotta eat that; can only eat one cup of this; and whatever you
>>> do, don't forget your daily allowance of cardboard packaging; so help
>>> you God!!!  After all, ya gotta eat that because if ya eat something
>>> that actually tastes good, it's gonna be bad for ya.  I thought the
>>> bottom line of what that lady said was very simple: If you eat two
>>> pieces of chocolate fudge cake at the end of your meal and two hours
>>> later, you peak at 360, you know better than to ever do that again.
>>> especially if only you've eaten one piece of that cake and your sugar
>>> peaks at 165ish, then you know to allow yourself just one piece.  The
>>> object here is to set and know your peak so that if you rise above it,
>>> you know to cut yourself off.  Like Lynn said previously, the key is
>>> "MODERATION!"  It's not that you can't have what pleasures of life you
>>> wish.  You simply need to use discretion, disciplin and self control.
>>> If you can't control it, don't go there.  Simple as that. My other
>>> advice is test, test, test so you know where you are at all times.
>>> And, if you don't like your numbers, take heed and don't be afraid to
>>> seek counsel if you need.
>
>>> Bern
>
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