[Diabetes-talk] victoza

Mon Mar 25 01:11:06 UTC 2013

Not really.  It seemed to make sense in the beginning that fats, any fats, 
increased people's fatness.  But actually, over time, the fat in our diets 
has decreased from 40% to 30%, even though, at the same time, we (as a 
population) continue to gain weight.  What has risen over time is our 
consumption of carbohydrates, which have gone from about 40-45% of our diets 
to 55-60%.  And because of the huge increase in intake of processed, 
manufactured foods, mostly made from white flour, white sugar, and white 
shortening, it seems most likely to me these are the foods that are making 
us fatter.  "Fat Chance" by Dr. Robert Lustig, hypothesizes the issue is 
neither fat nor carbohydrate individually, but the almost universal 
combination of fat and carbohydrate--particularly white flour and sugar. 
That's why my best advice to people who want to be healthy, with or without 
diabetes is, eat fresh, whole foods.  That doesn't mean eat a head of 
lettuce or a whole cow.  But it does mean that we should be eating foods 
that are grown and raised, not foods that are created in a factory and 
loaded with fat, sugar and salt!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Although, this then does beg the question, why is obesity so much more
> prevalent today? Obviously there are many variables in play with this
> issue, but is not foods high in fat especially those saturated fats a
> part of the equation?
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:00 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
> looking
> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in
> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to
> worry
> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer
> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much
> less
> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike
> is
> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of
> fat--what
> have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off
> eating
> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
> are
> lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>> awful
>> lot
>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
> of
>> the
>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans
> made
>> with
>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>> belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with
>
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
>
>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the
>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>> people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>
>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>
>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>> general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>
>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing
>>> and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>> meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>
>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>> fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>> the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>
>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have
>>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
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>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
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