[Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks

Tue Mar 26 16:50:55 UTC 2013

Yes.  The increased hunger from diet drinks can be an issue with some 
people, but you just have to note that for yourself.  I find that some diet 
soda, strategically drunk on a day when I feel hungry for sweets, satisfies 
that hunger.  And if you're Type 1, you wouldn't have the insulin resistance 
issue.

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks

> Hmmm... Very interesting. So are you saying glucose levels would be
> affected because the body thinks it's getting sugar? I've heard diet
> drinks can make you feel hungrier because of the sugar substitute used,
> although I've never experienced this myself.
>
> Ultimately, water is the best drink, but every now and then you want a
> little flavor and not just what's in your mouth, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jude DaShiell
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:39 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
>
>
> I've heard research discussed stating that it's not the sugar that's the
>
> problem with diet drinks, it's the sweet taste that causes the body to
> react like the body is getting sugar even though that's not actually the
>
> case.
>
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's
>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt for
>
>> diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this, and
>> I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always assumed
>> it was a given a diabetic  would avoid the sugary drinks but guess
>> not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and I'd
>> rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention.  We brought along a
>> big
>> cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken,
>> ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup coffeemaker and
> a
>> tiny
>> electric frying pan.  We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room.  At dinner we went out to a
>> local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there.  The fridge is
>> an even better
>> idea.
>>
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an English
>
>> muffin, etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>> expensive.  And there's usually a good place to get a salad for lunch,
>> or a
>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich.  I always figure the trick for me
> is
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
> and
>>
>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband.  Eat what you
>
>> like, but stay aware of portions.  In my opinion, skipping French
>> fries and sugary
>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> > It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack food,
>> > and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us. We
> brought
>>
>> > things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and
>> > lunchmeat
>> > and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out prices. Some
>> > people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every meal, while others
>
>> > prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all what you prefer.
> Most
>> > rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places will provide one if you
>
>> > request it. Since I have insulin, I typically get one since it needs
>
>> > to be kept in the fridge. This means I can keep food in it as well,
>> > smile.
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > Behalf Of d m gina
>> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> > Food food food,
>> > Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> > What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> > I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> > threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and
> potatoes.
>> > Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>> > breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you? How much
>
>> > cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you have enough
>> > until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner cafe you can go
> to
>>
>> > that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>> >
>> > Original message:
>> >> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>> >> "granola
>> >
>> >> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>> >> cut
>> >
>> >> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>> >> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>> >> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>> >> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as
>
>> >> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>> >> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a
> healthy
>> >> cow.
>> >
>> >> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for
>> >> us?
>> >
>> >> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> >> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff,
>> >> it's
>>
>> >> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>> >> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
> America,
>>
>> >> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives
>> >> and
>> >> synthetic crap.
>> >
>> >> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many
>> >> would
>>
>> >> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>> >> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>
>> >> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>> >> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>> >> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few
>> >> do.
>> >
>> >> Bridgit
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>> >> safest,
>> >
>> >> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The
>> >> things
>> >> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>> >> things we consider
>> >> food!) are just scary!
>> >
>> >> Sandi
>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> >> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to
>> >>> why
>>
>> >>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that
>> >>> shouldn't
>> >>> have  ever happened.
>> >
>> >>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> >>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat
>> >>> is
>> >>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in
>> >>> really
>> >
>> >>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd
>> >>> rather
>> >>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>> >>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the
>> >>> problem
>> >
>> >>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and
>> >>> living
>> >>> on earth is fructose.  I
>> >> know
>> >
>> >>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> >>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>> >>> should never have been in our food!
>> >
>> >>> Sandi
>> >
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> Sandi:
>> >
>> >>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>> >>>> withover
>> >
>> >>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> >>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>
>> >>>> the
>> >
>> >>>> consequences you cite below.
>> >
>> >>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>> >>>> like
>> >
>> >>>> to admit. (grin)
>> >
>> >>>> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> >>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>> >>>> In
>> >
>> >>>> looking
>> >
>> >>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>> >>>> fat
>> >
>> >>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>> >>>> enough
>>
>> >>>> to
>> >
>> >>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're
>> >>>> no
>> >
>> >>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>> >>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more
> fat.
>> >
>> >>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>> >>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>
>> >>>> case
>> >
>> >>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally,
>> >>>> diabetics
>>
>> >>>> are better off eating
>> >
>> >>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>> >>>> they
>> >
>> >>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>> >
>> >>>> Sandi
>> >
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's
>> >>>>> an
>>
>> >>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>> >>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>> >>>>> give
>> >
>> >>>>> for some refried beans
>> >>> made
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>> >>>>> popular belief.
>> >
>> >>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to
>> >>>>> say
>> >>>>> with the
>> >>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>> >
>> >>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>> >
>> >>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>> >>>>> diabetic
>> >
>> >>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> >>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>> >
>> >>>>> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> >>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>> >>>>> like
>> >
>> >>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>> >>>>> add
>> >
>> >>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually
>> >>>>> use
>> >>>>> ground turkey around here.
>> >
>> >>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>> >>>>> only
>> >
>> >>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy,
>> >>>>> and
>> >
>> >>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>> >
>> >>>>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> >>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta
>> >>>>> grain
>> >>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am
> trying
>> >>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>> >>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>> >>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go
> to
>> >>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> >>>>> Glad
>> >
>> >>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>> >
>> >>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>> >>>>>> people
>> >
>> >>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> >>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
> needs
>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>> >>>>>> start
>> >
>> >>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>> >>>>>> better
>> >
>> >>>>>> for you
>> >>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat
>> >>>>>> dairy,
>> >>>>> fresh
>> >>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>> >>>>>> etc.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>> >>>>>> any
>> >>>>> kind
>> >>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is
>> >>>>>> so
>> >>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>> >>>>>> allow
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>> >>>>>> live
>> >
>> >>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> >>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever
>> >>>>>> your
>> >
>> >>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>> >>>>>> can
>> >>>>> cut
>> >>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>> >>>>>> weight
>> >
>> >>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>> >>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>> >>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>
>> >>>>>> healthy living in general.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>> >>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just
> from
>> >>>>>> dealing and
>> >
>> >>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>> >>>>>> finding
>> >
>> >>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>> >>>>>> I've
>> >
>> >>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I
>> >>>>>> need
>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a
>> >>>>>> life-long
>> >>>>>> struggle, grin.
>> >
>> >>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>> >>>>>> likely
>> >
>> >>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>> >>>>>> meals.
>> >
>> >>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>> >>>>>> blood
>> >
>> >>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
>> >>>>>> exercise.
>> >>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>>> On
>> >>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> >>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> >>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty
>> >>>>>> well.
>>
>> >>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is
>> >>>>>>> completely
>>
>> >>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of
>> >>>>>>> drug
>> >>>>>>> is
>> >
>> >>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>> >>>>>>> to
>>
>> >>>>>>> fill
>> >
>> >>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've
>> >>>>>>> had
>> >
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>> >
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>>>> On
>>
>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> >>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this
>> >>>>>>> evening.
>>
>> >>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>> >>>>>>> until
>> >
>> >>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>> >>>>>>> felt
>> >
>> >>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>> >>>>>>> also
>> >
>> >>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>> >>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>> >
>> >>>>>>> --
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>> >>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>> >
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