[Diabetes-talk] victoza

Wed Mar 27 17:45:16 UTC 2013

Hello, Folks, this is Bill Lewis.  I recently read a most interesting 
article in Discover Mag which talked of a accidental finding that the 
procedure for stomach stapling also stops immediately diabetes in the 
patient without further need for diabetes meds or insulin.  They went on to 
say that additional studies are now in process to find what chemical 
elements in the body cause this remarkable association.  Stay tuned.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:35 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
crap.

And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,

best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things in
most
processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
consider
food!) are just scary!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>have  ever happened.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is
> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really
> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather
> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
> with increased diabetes,
> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
know
>
> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
> should never have been
> in our food!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Sandi:
>>
>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>> withover
>
>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the

>> consequences you cite below.
>>
>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like

>> to admit. (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
>> looking
>>
>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>> to
>
>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>
>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>> case
>
>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics
>> are better off eating
>>
>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they

>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>> for some refried beans
> made
>>> with
>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>> popular belief.
>>>
>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>> with the
>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>> diabetic
>
>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and

>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to

>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>> the
>
>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>> people
>>>
>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>> to
>
>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start

>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>> better
>
>>>> for you
>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>> fresh
>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>> etc.
>
>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>> kind
>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>> for
>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your

>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>> cut
>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>> weight
>
>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding

>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>> I've
>
>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>> to
>
>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>> likely
>
>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>> meals.
>>>
>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is

>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>> fill
>>>
>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Dar
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