[Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic

Fri Sep 13 02:44:56 UTC 2013

Oh yes--more than ever!  I was subscribed to their newsletter for about two 
years, but cancelled it, because the main issue discussed was buying their 
bars and shakes, getting coupons to buy them cheaper, and trying their new 
meals.  Actually, I may well try the meals sometime.  But I'll check for 
sugar alcohols before I do!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic

> Early on they didn't do the sugar alcohols either. I had some friends who 
> did not like that aspect of Atkins. Do they still sell that stuff as OK?
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 12, 2013, at 5:33 PM, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Atkins plan has changed some, and never was what it was purported to 
>> be. It was never a "no-carb" diet, and it was never true that you could 
>> eat great quantities of meat as long as you ate nothing else.  Now they 
>> have moderated quite a bit--they still recommend two weeks of meat and 
>> vegetables and not a lot else, but they start after that two weeks to add 
>> berries, nuts, etc.
>>
>> I agree Atkins is a little uptight about bread and pasta and such--a 
>> little just isn't a bad thing--but in my opinion, they are on the right 
>> track.
>>
>> Having said that, I don't like Atkins because of their emphasis on the 
>> bars, shakes, and meals they market.  I don't like their using 
>> sugar-alcohols and claiming those are better for you.  We don't have 
>> evidence of that, and they give some people really nasty diarrhea!  And I 
>> believe that whatever eating plan you follow, you should eat whole foods, 
>> not depend on processed, loaded foods.
>>
>> I agree with you about why the portion size models came about, but I 
>> believe that if you really limit processed trash, you can have larger 
>> portions, feel totally satisfied, and neither gain weight nor raise your 
>> blood sugar!  What we need to get past (and probably never will) is 
>> dietitians thinking people need to eat a big variety of all foods, 
>> including chips, crackers, pretzels, etc.  I used to be that kind of 
>> dietitian.  Now I think we need to eat real foods, prepared the way we 
>> like them, in satisfying amounts, and ignore those food-like substances 
>> created for us by food manufacturers whose main intention is making 
>> money.  Bread is a fine food, by the way, especially whole-grain bread, 
>> in moderation.  Likewise pasta.
>>
>> And as an adult, you choose what you eat, so you can also have chips and 
>> crackers and such.  But you have to pay a lot more attention to how you 
>> eat if you include those things.  And they are not in any way required 
>> for you to live!
>>
>> One huge advantage to a low-carb diet is that it does wonders reducing 
>> cravings!  That's why I follow it.  I'm never hungry, and I do eat the 
>> occasional piece of pie or candy bar, but I don't even want one of those 
>> things most days.
>>
>> If you find yourself wanting something treatish, my husband's and my 
>> newest thing is chocolate-peanut butter bark.  We melt 4.4 ounces of 70% 
>> dark chocolate with 2 oz. homemade peanut butter (or natural is fine) 
>> until it's smooth.  Then we drop it into twelve rounds on waxed paper on 
>> a tray.  You can either freeze or chill it till it's set, and we each eat 
>> three rounds in a day--so for the two of us, this recipe lasts two days. 
>> It's not high in sugar, contains protein, and is very satisfying!  The 
>> peanut butter we make is super-crunchy--we grind half the peanuts and 
>> just break up the other half.  Yum!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" 
>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>
>>
>>> Not that low-carb is out, or it doesn't have its merits. I'm referring
>>> more to the Atkins subscribers. We also have to keep in mind that
>>> individual bodies will react and respond to food and exercise
>>> differently. I've never had huge problems controlling glucose levels or
>>> maintaining weight regardless of what type of bread I eat. For many
>>> though, bread is a huge problem. Pasta, which I'm actually not a big fan
>>> of, is what is a kicker for me.
>>>
>>> One problem with no-carb diets is that while you will experience rapid
>>> weight loss, what can happen eventually is that you're not so much
>>> losing fat as you're beginning to atrophied, which isn't healthy. But
>>> millions of people do this, not fully understanding the science, and
>>> they are probably just as, if not more, unhealthy as someone eating
>>> carbs.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>
>>>
>>> I disagree that low carb is out. In fact, mainstream endocrinologists
>>> are beginning to think twice before jumping on the ADA complex carb
>>> bandwagon. Read the book Fat Chance. It's on BARD.
>>> Mike freeman
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:59, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, the medical community and FDA are always changing their minds
>>>> about what is good and what isn't. For years we were told to limit
>>>> caffeine consumption, but recently, I hear everywhere that massive
>>>> amounts of caffeine are good for you. Okay, perhaps massive is an
>>>> exaggeration, grin, but seriously, I saw one interview where multiple
>>>> cups of coffee were being recommended. Just a couple of years ago the
>>>> medical community would have admonished you for this.
>>>>
>>>> So I agree with have to proceed withcaution when it comes to these
>>>> reports and not jump on bandwagons. I recall a decade ago when
>>>> low-carb diets were all the rage, and everyone was sure this was the
>>>> way to lose weight and eat in general. Now we know that a balance diet
>>>
>>>> including complex carbs is much better than low-carb or no-carb.
>>>>
>>>> I think balance is key, and watching consumption amounts and what we
>>>> eat does more than following current trends.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:04 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know. Frankly, I don't buy any of it. There are too many
>>>> variables to draw such conclusions IMHO. Remember also that more fiber
>>>
>>>> was supposed to lessen the risk of colon cancer but that also has been
>>>
>>>> called into question. Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 17:50, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In meat? Okay, what about so-called organic meat? Like the stuff void
>>>>> of man-made preservatives and additives and all that junk? Guess I
>>>>> haven't heard this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:48 PM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He is probably worried about supposed colon cancer risk. Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 12:59, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why avoid meat? I know too much protein can actually affect glucose
>>>>>> levels, but usually protein is recommended because protein is what
>>>>>> stabilizes blood sugars. I know protein can be found in food other
>>>>>> than meat, but I've never heard you should avoid meat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bill Lewis
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:36 AM
>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Vicky, my name is Bill Lewis, and I want to share with you the
>>>>>> importance of our following the basics of glucose control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is an old and famous saying that "He who does not understand
>>>>>> his
>>>>
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