[Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Sat Sep 14 02:15:01 UTC 2013 

I say again, how come Eskimos still exist? They've only gotten less healthy
when they began eating high-carb!

Sure, they had a few berries -- but mostly, they ate seal-blubber and
whale-blubber. They even seemed able to get vitamin C out of it.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:55 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic

Sorry, not communicating my thoughts very well, smile. I mean no-carb
vs. low-carb, low-carb being the way to go. And I mean the common person
doesn't fully understand the Atkins diet, so many subscribe to a
no-carb, which is not typically recommended. So Atkins, if done right,
okay; eating only protein, probably not the best diet. Doing low-carb,
making those carbs the *good* kind, is better than avoiding
all-together.

And I agree with you, Sandy, It seems we follow a similar manner of
eating. All things in balance, but we try to stick with low-fat,
low-carb foods, and we encourage potatoes and grains. We buy 100% whole
wheat or whole-grain breads too. Especially with the kids now, we want
to foster better eating habits. As you say, the occasional *bad* food is
okay, but we really try to avoid that stuff. In fact, we don't keep junk
food on hand unless it's baked goods I make from scratch (which I don't
do often just because when I do, my hubby tends to eat whatever it is
within two days, grin) or something like fat-free pretzels, but people
don't understand why we don't have tons of snack and junk food on hand.
We just decided it's either something we do or don't do, and we decided
to do it, meaning have healthy, good foods around, smile.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:30 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic


But Bridget, I'm talking about what you're talking about.  The Atkins
diet 
has changed over time so that they recommend lots of veggies even during
the 
first two weeks, and after that nuts, berries and even some grains.
There's 
even a piece in their latest book about following the Atkins diet as a 
vegetarian.  And the diet never was "no-carb."  It's advantage for
people 
with diabetes is that you don't have to worry as much about the ups and 
downs of your glucose, because it doesn't raise glucose and require
insulin 
as much.

If your doctors are taking a more middle-of-the-road approach, good for 
them.  My point is that, though it was disrespected for years because no
one 
in the United States would research it, the Atkins Diet specifically,
and 
other low-carb diets, have been shown to be quite effective, especially
in 
treating diabetes, but also for other chronic diseases.  We have learned

over the years that the key to much of this is weight loss, not
designing 
your diet in some crazy way.  On the Atkins diet, patients lost weight, 
decreased total and bad cholesterol, increased good cholesterol, lowered

blood pressure, and lowered blood sugar.  These days, low-carb diets are

actually seen as more efective than high-carb, low-fat, high-fiber diets

(but keep the fiber).  And only an uninformed dietitian or doctor (many
of 
them have little nutrition knowledge) would tell you that your best bet
is 
to eat chips and crackers and candy and cookies and pasta and bread to
your 
heart's content.  I'm not saying don't eat those things--but your road
is 
sure easier if you eat very little and make the basis of your daily
eating 
good proteins, fats, and naturally-occurring carbohydrates in reasonable

amounts.

Incidentally, I don't agree that you should never eat potatoes or
grains. 
They contain lots of nutrients, and they taste great.  For myself, I
walk a 
middle line, eating even some junk food now and then.  But when I do,
I'm 
very aware that this is not an every day part of a healthy way to eat!
I 
used to talk with people about "occasional" foods.  It's okay to eat
these 
things occasionally.  But what I found is that every day becomes an 
occasion.

Anyway, just wanted to share this long explanation as a registered
dietitian 
who learned, rather late, in fact, that nutrition is not a 
"one-size-fits-all" science, and that no diet should be disrespected
just 
because it's not the one I choose.

Sandi

Sandi Ryan, MS, RD, LD

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic


>I don't mean that diets like Atkins are not still popular among the  
>masses, but I mean that more in the medical community debate the  
>intelligence of following such a diet or only eating meat period. I 
>know  many people doing no-carb diets, but all the doctors I know are 
>not as  likely to recommend a no-carb diet.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:35 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>
>
> I disagree with your analysis. That's okay.
> If Atkins is so horrific, how come there are still Inuit? Actualy, I 
> prefer South Beach but do not consider Atkins harmful. Mike
>
> On Sep 12, 2013, at 13:51, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Not that low-carb is out, or it doesn't have its merits. I'm 
>> referring
>
>> more to the Atkins subscribers. We also have to keep in mind that 
>> individual bodies will react and respond to food and exercise 
>> differently. I've never had huge problems controlling glucose levels 
>> or maintaining weight regardless of what type of bread I eat. For 
>> many
>
>> though, bread is a huge problem. Pasta, which I'm actually not a big 
>> fan of, is what is a kicker for me.
>>
>> One problem with no-carb diets is that while you will experience 
>> rapid
>
>> weight loss, what can happen eventually is that you're not so much 
>> losing fat as you're beginning to atrophied, which isn't healthy. But

>> millions of people do this, not fully understanding the science, and 
>> they are probably just as, if not more, unhealthy as someone eating 
>> carbs.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>
>>
>> I disagree that low carb is out. In fact, mainstream endocrinologists

>> are beginning to think twice before jumping on the ADA complex carb 
>> bandwagon. Read the book Fat Chance. It's on BARD. Mike freeman
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:59, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, the medical community and FDA are always changing their minds 
>>> about what is good and what isn't. For years we were told to limit 
>>> caffeine consumption, but recently, I hear everywhere that massive 
>>> amounts of caffeine are good for you. Okay, perhaps massive is an 
>>> exaggeration, grin, but seriously, I saw one interview where 
>>> multiple
>
>>> cups of coffee were being recommended. Just a couple of years ago 
>>> the
>
>>> medical community would have admonished you for this.
>>>
>>> So I agree with have to proceed withcaution when it comes to these 
>>> reports and not jump on bandwagons. I recall a decade ago when 
>>> low-carb diets were all the rage, and everyone was sure this was the

>>> way to lose weight and eat in general. Now we know that a balance
> diet
>>
>>> including complex carbs is much better than low-carb or no-carb.
>>>
>>> I think balance is key, and watching consumption amounts and what we

>>> eat does more than following current trends.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:04 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know. Frankly, I don't buy any of it. There are too many 
>>> variables to draw such conclusions IMHO. Remember also that more
> fiber
>>
>>> was supposed to lessen the risk of colon cancer but that also has 
>>> been
>>
>>> called into question. Mike
>>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 17:50, Bridgit Pollpeter 
>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In meat? Okay, what about so-called organic meat? Like the stuff 
>>>> void of man-made preservatives and additives and all that junk? 
>>>> Guess I haven't heard this one.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:48 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He is probably worried about supposed colon cancer risk. Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 12:59, Bridgit Pollpeter 
>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why avoid meat? I know too much protein can actually affect 
>>>>> glucose levels, but usually protein is recommended because protein

>>>>> is what stabilizes blood sugars. I know protein can be found in 
>>>>> food other than meat, but I've never heard you should avoid meat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Bill Lewis
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:36 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Vicky, my name is Bill Lewis, and I want to share with you the 
>>>>> importance of our following the basics of glucose control.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is an old and famous saying that "He who does not understand

>>>>> his
>>>
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