[Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic

Wed Sep 18 14:41:40 UTC 2013

That's my thesis although Sandi disagrees with me.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:23 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic

To my knowledge, there's no science behind this, but could one say that
if losing weight doesn't affect glucose levels in type two's, that
perhaps trying insulin is a better treatment to try? Just curious.

I know various meds are used to regulate type 2's, but just wondering if
meds and/or other treatments don't regulate enough, could insulin
potentially help? I know some do this but not many; at least in my
experience.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:50 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic

Join the club.  I don't trust it myself, and I've never heard a doctor
say 
"This is why this works," but for Type 2's, it seems to much of the
time. 
Losing the weight is a big part of it--many of the risks go down with
weight 
loss--but it isn't all of it.  It's an awful way to lose weight--but it
does 
work!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic

> You know, I'm not convinced that the so-called "remission" of diabetes
> that
> occurs with these procedures is due to the dietary restrictions. In
april,
> 2009, I had a partial colectomy because I had early colon cancer.
After I
> came home, my insulin requirements went way, way down and until I
figured
> this out, I ran in the 70's all day. Now this makes absolutely *no*
sense 
> in
> that one doesn't absorb nutrients from the lower intestine or colon;
yet 
> it
> happened. After a few weeks, my insulin requirement went back up to
what 
> it
> was before the surgery. So there's more going on here than the medicos

> have
> figured out.
>
> BTW, they got all the cancer so you're stuck with me for some time to
> come!
> (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:58 PM
> To: Bill Lewis; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>
> Actually, Bill, I'd not recommend banding now.  It's day has kind of 
> come and gone.  However, gastric bypass and the gastric sleeve are 
> options that really do help people control weight who just can't do it

> any other way--and the advantage, at least with bypass, is that 
> diabetes goes away or gets much
> easier to control, blood pressure, cholesterol, and other things go to
> normal, and it is actually seen in many medical circles as the panacea

> we're
> all looking for.
>
> The two procedures are not available for people whose weight is not 
> quite high, and over a period of years there is some weight increase.

> But it is certainly medically/surgically optional.  Having said all 
> that, it's darned annoying, too, because there's a rather long phase 
> of adjustment to tiny amounts of food and liquid, which comes with 
> vomiting and diarrhea and other
> unpleasant side effects for a while.  And I don't mean a week or two,
> either.
>
> The gastric bands are going out of favor because they tend not to be 
> as effective, being adjustable, and they can move and cause damage 
> during exercise.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Lewis" <wlewis19 at cox.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi.  Regarding weight loss, would a recommendation for stomach 
>> banding surgery be stretching credulity?  (gri n)  A friend of my son

>> used to have
>
>> a compulstion for eating.  Diets did not work, because he always felt

>> hungry, so would sneak food.  Finally he had the stomch banding 
>> surgery. Several years later now, he is slim, trim, physically fit, 
>> and happy, and has finally found a significant other who thinks he is

>> great.  No, I'm not
>
>> stretching the truth either.  Bill Lewis
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:22 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>
>> Well, for one thing, it is all generalities on Dr. Oz's show. He 
>> doesn't know you or your body, yo ur situation or anything else about

>> you. You can
>
>> learn from him and it can help you to ask questions. Also, many 
>> things in the medical field, and in dietetics in particularly, are 
>> quite controversial. So at the end of the day you have to monitor 
>> your body and see what is working best for your health, I think.
>>
>> Cindy Lou
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter 
>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I actually caught an episode not that long ago at my mother-in-laws,

>>> and he was refuting certain endorsements. I guess some companies 
>>> have claimed he is endorsing them when in reality he isn't. I would 
>>> still proceed with caution if thinking of taking to heart everything

>>> you hear on his show or website though.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:59 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>
>>>
>>> Except for the fact that he is a good doctor, I think he is 
>>> borderline sensational fraud myself to be really honest. There was 
>>> something he was trying to get me to buy once to lose weight, or 
>>> rather they were using him as a reason. Sometimes, I think he really

>>> doesn't endorse the stuff so much as show it and people think he is 
>>> endorsing it. He did endorse Weight Watchers a year or so ago 
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What do you agree with Dr. Oz about?  Every time I watch him he 
>>>> recommends several dietary supplements, some kind of weird shake or

>>>> smoothie, or the latest seed that's found edible.  I've never found

>>>> anything Dr. Oz won't push on his program.  He even says one day 
>>>> that he doesn't buy into a thing, then has someone on the show the 
>>>> next to push it.  I believe he's a great doctor--but I certainly 
>>>> don't trust him!  He's one of the media doctors pushing everything 
>>>> that seems to be relevant based on one study.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry--I just think you need to know the truth.  Now you can agree 
>>>> with him and make your own choices, but at least you know what he's

>>>> actually doing.
>>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with doctor Oz.
>>>>> keep up the good work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dar
>>>>> Every saint has a past,
>>>>> Every sinner has a future
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But I love Dr. Ozzzzzz!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, just had to do this.
>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:10 AM, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly!  And when doctors and other health professionals are 
>>>>>>> recommending this or that, they are often basing it on their 
>>>>>>> best conjecture or on the results of one or a few studies, just 
>>>>>>> as we do
>>>
>>>>>>> when we read things and follow them on that basis.  And remember

>>>>>>> that, while the FDA's panel that approves drugs and foods is 
>>>>>>> expert, they are not experts in everything.  As a speaker at a 
>>>>>>> commencement at Harvard Medical School in the 80s said "You can 
>>>>>>> leave here knowing that about 10% of what we taught you here is 
>>>>>>> fact. The problem is, none of us knows which 10%."  Most people 
>>>>>>> get
>>>
>>>>>>> their beliefs from the media (including media doctors who 
>>>>>>> interpret
>>>
>>>>>>> study findings), and most media reports are based on what's been

>>>>>>> discovered in one study by one group of researchers, and touted 
>>>>>>> as fact.  And many times, when further study shows the opposite,

>>>>>>> it is
>>>
>>>>>>> ignored, or the public has come to believe so strongly in the 
>>>>>>> first
>>>
>>>>>>> study that no amount of evidence to the contrary can change 
>>>>>>> minds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" 
>>>>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:59 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, the medical community and FDA are always changing their 
>>>>>>>> minds about what is good and what isn't. For years we were told

>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>> limit caffeine consumption, but recently, I hear everywhere 
>>>>>>>> that massive amounts of caffeine are good for you. Okay, 
>>>>>>>> perhaps massive is an exaggeration, grin, but seriously, I saw 
>>>>>>>> one interview where multiple cups of coffee were being 
>>>>>>>> recommended. Just a couple of years ago the medical community 
>>>>>>>> would have admonished you for this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I agree with have to proceed withcaution when it comes to 
>>>>>>>> these
>>>
>>>>>>>> reports and not jump on bandwagons. I recall a decade ago when 
>>>>>>>> low-carb diets were all the rage, and everyone was sure this 
>>>>>>>> was the way to lose weight and eat in general. Now we know that

>>>>>>>> a balance diet including complex carbs is much better than 
>>>>>>>> low-carb or no-carb.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think balance is key, and watching consumption amounts and 
>>>>>>>> what we eat does more than following current trends.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:04 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know. Frankly, I don't buy any of it. There are too 
>>>>>>>> many variables to draw such conclusions IMHO. Remember also 
>>>>>>>> that more fiber was supposed to lessen the risk of colon cancer

>>>>>>>> but that also has been called into question. Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 17:50, Bridgit Pollpeter 
>>>>>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In meat? Okay, what about so-called organic meat? Like the 
>>>>>>>>> stuff void of man-made preservatives and additives and all 
>>>>>>>>> that junk? Guess I haven't heard this one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:48 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He is probably worried about supposed colon cancer risk. Mike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 12:59, Bridgit Pollpeter 
>>>>>>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why avoid meat? I know too much protein can actually affect 
>>>>>>>>>> glucose levels, but usually protein is recommended because 
>>>>>>>>>> protein is what stabilizes blood sugars. I know protein can 
>>>>>>>>>> be found in food other than meat, but I've never heard you 
>>>>>>>>>> should avoid meat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]

>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bill Lewis
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:36 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Vicky, my name is Bill Lewis, and I want to share with you

>>>>>>>>>> the importance of our following the basics of glucose 
>>>>>>>>>> control.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is an old and famous saying that "He who does not 
>>>>>>>>>> understand his
>>>>>>>>
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