[Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks

Fri Apr 24 18:12:57 UTC 2015

Mike,

Always the voice of reason, LOL! But seriously, you make a good point.
Whether certain claims can truly be tested and proved aside, as you also
point out, drinking too much soda, diet or sugar, is not a great idea.
Personally, I have never noticed increased hunger when drinking diet soda,
nor do I feel the need to drink more soda after consuming a can or bottle,
and I have also not noticed weight gain, or difficulty losing weight when
drinking diet soda. Not, I have never drank soda by the gallons even before
deciding to drastically limit it. And I don't find many sodas refreshing. If
I have consumed too much soda and little to no water, I physically feel it.
On the other hand, my mom and mother-in-law say they always feel compelled
to eat when drinking diet soda. Both drink about 2 12 packs a week though,
and they also tend to feel the need to drink one right after another. Both
also experience difficulty with losing weight. And both also feel headaches
and crave soda when they go certain periods without soda. And I'm not
talking days but hours. Now, a lot of variables go into all these things,
and this is by no means definitive proof of anything. Could all be a
coincidence, or even psychological. Again, it's a personal choice, but why
bother, I guess, is how I feel.

Bridgit

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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman via Diabetes-talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:55 PM
To: 'Bernadette Jacobs'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks

With respect, I believe using emotionally-loaded words such as "deadly" or
"poison" does a disservice to this list in that, as with most diets, foods
and supplements, there have been *no* double-blind, pluscebo-controlled
studies/trials in humans (indeed, such may not even be possible) verifying
or disproving the extreme claims as to the harmful (or, for that matter,
beneficial) effects of soda-drinking beyond the obvious observation that
embibing nondiet sodas means one is taking in empty (i.e., no nourishment)
calories and a lot of unnecessary carbohydrates -- ones that diabetics must
either eschew or compensate for in the form of extra insulin intake in order
to stay in diabetic control.
To be sure, there have been some studies which *seem* to indicate that
excess fructose can have adverse effects and other studies which *seem* to
indicate that drinking even diet sodas can cause some weight-gain. However,
no studies that are truly medically valid, i.e., double-blind,
pluscebo-controlled with hundreds of thousands of participants, have been
conducted and so to me the jury is still out. Indeed, I am somewhat
convinced that *no* true diet or nutritional study can be done in such a
rigorous manner that physicists and chemists and perhaps biologists, too,
would unreservedly buy into them.
All other things being equal, it's probably better to avoid excess soda
consumption (indeed, I don't see why so many people find sodas appealing).
But IMO there's no reason to panic and we should remember that there is as
much disinformation as information on the Internet and that the studies we
hear trumpeted every day are publicized as much to swell the budgets of
would-be researchers as to impart real information.

Mike Freeman

P.S. We have hydrochloric acid -- very corrosive -- in our stomachs. Does
this mean we should remove our stomachs because they contain a substance
that, in quantity, burns holes in us?

Cheers!

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Bernadette Jacobs via Diabetes-talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:18 AM
To: Bonnie Lucas; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks

For those who put pop/soda on their grocery lsts as a weekly staple, that's
scary.  However, I think the key here is moderation.  I went to Taco Bwell
and had a diet pepsi with lunch.  Can't remember when I had the last pop.  I
don't feel like I'm suicidal because I might only drink a pop once every
several months though.  This does, however, becomes expensive buying it on a
weekly basis.
On 4/24/15, Bonnie Lucas via Diabetes-talk <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am subscribed to this list because I work with diabetics but I am 
> not diabetic. Generally I do not post but I cannot resist this time.
> Personally, I limit my soda products to none a year. Between the sugar 
> and the artificial sweeteners and everything else in soda, I think it 
> is deadly. You may think that is radical but simply cutting them out 
> entirely several years ago, I lost 10 pounds. There is no evidence 
> that
they are helpful to anyone.
> Good luck making your personal decision. I anticipate this post will 
> spark a lot of opposite view posts. I hope there are a few who agree 
> with
me!
>
>
> Bonnie Lucas, MS, CVRT, MSW
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> Hi Folks,
> I was wondering what you think of Coke 0 type drinks.  My grocery 
> store has some that are raspberry and lemonade flavored.
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> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:40:03 -0500
> From: "Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter" <bkpollpeter at gmail.com>
> To: "'Marshall Scott'" <mfscott at me.com>,	"'Diabetes Talk for the
> 	Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> If you're going to drink soda, I guess sugar-free is best, at least 
> for diabetics. Note, though, studies are showing diet soda can 
> contribute to belly fat actually. Plus, soda is full of synthetic 
> ingredients. Despite what some say, I also still think too much 
> caffeine is not good. Personally, I limite my soda consumption to no 
> more than 3 a week, and then, it's caffeine-free and of course, 
> sugar-free. Diet A & W or diet Barq's root beer is my favorite.
>
> As for taste, I can not stand Coke products and am probably the wrong 
> person to ask, grin. Coke 0 is sugar-free and calorie and carb-free 
> though, so in terms of it affecting glucose levels, it shouldn't, 
> though I believe some studies are also suggesting artificial sweetners 
> can affect glucose levels in some cases.
>
> Not sure exactly what info you were looking for, sorry.
>
> Bridgit
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> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
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> Hi Folks,
> I was wondering what you think of Coke 0 type drinks.  My grocery 
> store has some that are raspberry and lemonade flavored.
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