[Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
Sandra Ryan
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Sat Apr 25 20:15:00 UTC 2015
You're one of the fortunate ones of us! There are few of us who were raised
with the right foods. Our parents learned the convenience of feeding us the
processed foods, and we learned to love them.
You are living the ideal, and that's wonderful. It works for you, and you
should definitely keep that up.
For the rest of us it's quite a balancing act. There may be foods we need
to cut out, but most of them can be retained and eaten in smaller portions,
or fewer times, and can fit into a diet that keeps diabetes in control. One
of the things dietitians have learned (and are still learning) is that we
can know the ideal, but if people can't or are not willing to attain it,
they are still deserving of care and can make less radical changes that help
with the diabetes but don't require a total reversal of lifestyle.
You're doing great, and teaching your little boy good habits, too! You're
an inspiration.
Sandi
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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 2:27 AM
To: 'Marshall Scott'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
I was diagnosed with type one when I was four. My parents, at that time,
were big health and exercise nuts, so switching things was not a huge deal
for my family. And as the oldest child, it was not a difficult transition
for me and my family. My parents always practiced that if one of us had to
eat a certain way, then all of us did. We all grew up on a diabetic diet,
smile.
Things have changed quite a bit in the 30 years I've been diabetic.
Insulin-dependent diabetics who bolus don't really have food restrictions,
as long as you bolus properly. Nonetheless, I grew up a certain way, and I
continue to view health and well-being the same way I did as a child. So we
limit junk and sugar, including soda. We rarely buy this kind of stuff. My
husband has the sweet-tooth, and I'm more a salty treat kind of gal, but we
have found that when you decrease certain kinds of food, you stop craving
it, at least as much as before. And in many cases, when we do indulge, it's
just not the same as we remember it, not appetizing, grin.
If you have self-control issues, the best way to avoid something is to just
not have it in your life. If it's certain kinds of food and beverages, don't
buy them. Ithey are not there to consume, problem solved, grin.
And if you must drink soda, diet is best for diabetics. No sugar, no carbs,
shouldn't affect glucose levels. I know for some, diet is awful, but I was
drinking diet drinks very early on, so I find sugar soda and drinks awful;
just too sweet for me, smile.
Bridgit
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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Marshall Scott via Diabetes-talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:27 PM
To: the Blind Talk for Diabetes
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
Hi Folks,
Thanks for the responses. I was hoping for a yes/no response but I guess I
shouldn't have. I really feel that I can't have anything I like and have
to eat things I don't like. I also have no self-control I guess I'll just
keep trying.
Thanks again,
Marshall
> On Apr 24, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-talk
<diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Amen, Sandy!
> I think one of the important lessons here could be this. When people
> attempt to educate us and shape our behavior with respect to food, the
> tendancy is to scare, scold and/or give orders. And then they wonder
> why people are labeled as noncompliant. I think it's really important
> to start with learning what has been responsible for pleasure and find
> a way to address the total picture in a way that minimizes the
> feelings of
guilt and denial.
> For me the approaches that seem to help are those that say, your body
> is valuable and deserves good stuff. That and okay, I now have a body
> that may not let me get away with some of my past approaches or
> habits. I was clobbered so hard with the words bad, cheat and no when
> I was first diagnosed with type 1 that it took 15 years before I'd eat
> anything in front of another person with diabetes. I was so bombarded
> with what not to do that I couldn't figure out what I could eat. For
> the most part, I think things are much more settled down now than they
> were in the late 80's in this regard, thank goodness.
> For me, it's easy not to drink sodas because I never enjoyed them anyway.
> Once a week I go out and meet a friend for a pastry and coffee and it
> is very enjoyable. And of course, whatever we choose, we're doing the
> balancing act with exercise, meds, stress and you name it. So I try to
> look at my total package and every once in awhile I realize that maybe
> I've tipped a little bit too far to one side or another and I gently
> bring
myself back.
> Guess I'm a child of the sixties but I do believe that whatever
> choices or changes we make, if they come from a place of love and
> self-respect, they'll stick. And of course, take from the wisdom of
> your friends and make the best choice for yourself. <grin> Okay, rant
> over now. <grin> Dinner, anyone?
> Veronica
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> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-talk
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:21 PM
> To: 'Mike Freeman'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
>
> I agree, Mike. I guess I think clinical and population studies that
> are conducted on enough people can be valid, even to physicists and
> chemists, and I think there is population evidence indicating that
> sodas, which are not necessary to our diets, can, in large quantities,
> be harmful. But that's a quibble, unless you're drinking lots of
> soda. Then you need to be aware of the motto "Everything in moderation,"
which is a good motto!
>
> I did want to comment on artificial sweeteners turning into formaldehyde.
> That is not at all true. There was worry with Aspartame during the 25
> years in which it was tested and studied ad nauseum that storing soda
> made with it for long periods or in very hot conditions might result
> in dangerous or deadly products. Tests were done to find out, and
> none was identified. If it was a worry, people would probably drop
> dead
after drinking diet sodas.
> Like everything else, however, artificial sweeteners are okay "in
> moderation." If you drink lots of diet sodas or eat lots of foods
> sweetened with artificial sweeteners, it might be worth taking a look
> at your diet and asking yourself "Am I giving myself the food my body
> needs?" It's always worth staying aware of what you eat and drink and
> how
it affects your body.
>
> But there is no reason to fear sodas with either sugar or artificial
> sweeteners. Fit them into your diet in reasonable portions and in
> moderation, compensate as necessary with medication and/or insulin,
> and enjoy life!
>
> Sandi
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman via Diabetes-talk
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:55 PM
> To: 'Bernadette Jacobs'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
>
> With respect, I believe using emotionally-loaded words such as
> "deadly" or "poison" does a disservice to this list in that, as with
> most diets, foods and supplements, there have been *no* double-blind,
> pluscebo-controlled studies/trials in humans (indeed, such may not
> even be possible) verifying or disproving the extreme claims as to the
> harmful (or, for that matter,
> beneficial) effects of soda-drinking beyond the obvious observation
> that embibing nondiet sodas means one is taking in empty (i.e., no
> nourishment) calories and a lot of unnecessary carbohydrates -- ones
> that diabetics must either eschew or compensate for in the form of
> extra insulin intake in order to stay in diabetic control.
> To be sure, there have been some studies which *seem* to indicate that
> excess fructose can have adverse effects and other studies which
> *seem* to indicate that drinking even diet sodas can cause some
> weight-gain. However, no studies that are truly medically valid, i.e.,
> double-blind, pluscebo-controlled with hundreds of thousands of
> participants, have been conducted and so to me the jury is still out.
> Indeed, I am somewhat convinced that *no* true diet or nutritional
> study can be done in such a rigorous manner that physicists and
> chemists and perhaps biologists, too, would unreservedly buy into them.
> All other things being equal, it's probably better to avoid excess
> soda consumption (indeed, I don't see why so many people find sodas
appealing).
> But IMO there's no reason to panic and we should remember that there
> is as much disinformation as information on the Internet and that the
> studies we hear trumpeted every day are publicized as much to swell
> the budgets of would-be researchers as to impart real information.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> P.S. We have hydrochloric acid -- very corrosive -- in our stomachs.
> Does this mean we should remove our stomachs because they contain a
> substance that, in quantity, burns holes in us?
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Bernadette Jacobs via Diabetes-talk
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:18 AM
> To: Bonnie Lucas; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
>
> For those who put pop/soda on their grocery lsts as a weekly staple,
> that's scary. However, I think the key here is moderation. I went to
> Taco Bwell and had a diet pepsi with lunch. Can't remember when I had
> the last pop. I don't feel like I'm suicidal because I might only
> drink a pop once every several months though. This does, however,
> becomes expensive buying it on a weekly basis.
> On 4/24/15, Bonnie Lucas via Diabetes-talk <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> I am subscribed to this list because I work with diabetics but I am
>> not diabetic. Generally I do not post but I cannot resist this time.
>> Personally, I limit my soda products to none a year. Between the
>> sugar and the artificial sweeteners and everything else in soda, I
>> think it is deadly. You may think that is radical but simply cutting
>> them out entirely several years ago, I lost 10 pounds. There is no
>> evidence that
> they are helpful to anyone.
>> Good luck making your personal decision. I anticipate this post will
>> spark a lot of opposite view posts. I hope there are a few who agree
>> with
> me!
>>
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:11:01 -0600
>> From: Marshall Scott <mfscott at me.com>
>> To: the Blind Talk for Diabetes <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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>> Hi Folks,
>> I was wondering what you think of Coke 0 type drinks. My grocery
>> store has some that are raspberry and lemonade flavored.
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:40:03 -0500
>> From: "Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter" <bkpollpeter at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Marshall Scott'" <mfscott at me.com>, "'Diabetes Talk for the
>> Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
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>> If you're going to drink soda, I guess sugar-free is best, at least
>> for diabetics. Note, though, studies are showing diet soda can
>> contribute to belly fat actually. Plus, soda is full of synthetic
>> ingredients. Despite what some say, I also still think too much
>> caffeine is not good. Personally, I limite my soda consumption to no
>> more than 3 a week, and then, it's caffeine-free and of course,
>> sugar-free. Diet A & W or diet Barq's root beer is my favorite.
>>
>> As for taste, I can not stand Coke products and am probably the wrong
>> person to ask, grin. Coke 0 is sugar-free and calorie and carb-free
>> though, so in terms of it affecting glucose levels, it shouldn't,
>> though I believe some studies are also suggesting artificial
>> sweetners can affect glucose levels in some cases.
>>
>> Not sure exactly what info you were looking for, sorry.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Behalf Of Marshall Scott via Diabetes-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 12:11 PM
>> To: the Blind Talk for Diabetes
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>> I was wondering what you think of Coke 0 type drinks. My grocery
>> store has some that are raspberry and lemonade flavored.
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