[Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks

Sat Apr 25 20:34:54 UTC 2015

Hey gang:
Burn here. Sounds like we are all Preaching to the choir here. Everyone here has brought up some very good, valid points. You guys are great!! Looks like everyone is in agreement here. Have a wonderful weekend. Talk soon.
Burn

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> On Apr 25, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Mike Freeman via Diabetes-talk <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Amen! I also think it would be salutary if medical and nutritional personnel
> of all beliefs were to openly admit how much they don't really know.
> Admitting ignorance is no sin in my book -- unless it's willful ignorance.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-talk
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 12:17 AM
> To: 'Veronica Elsea'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
> 
> Very eloquent.
> 
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> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-talk
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:53 PM
> To: 'Sandra Ryan'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
> 
> Amen, Sandy!
> I think one of the important lessons here could be this. When people attempt
> to educate us and shape our behavior with respect to food, the tendancy is
> to scare, scold and/or give orders. And then they wonder why people are
> labeled as noncompliant. I think it's really important to start with
> learning what has been responsible for pleasure and find a way to address
> the total picture in a way that minimizes the feelings of guilt and denial.
> For me the approaches that seem to help are those that say, your body is
> valuable and deserves good stuff. That and okay, I now have a body that may
> not let me get away with some of my past approaches or habits. I was
> clobbered so hard with the words bad, cheat and no when I was first
> diagnosed with type 1 that it took 15 years before I'd eat anything in front
> of another person with diabetes. I was so bombarded with what not to do that
> I couldn't figure out what I could eat. For the most part, I think things
> are much more settled down now than they were in the late 80's in this
> regard, thank goodness.
> For me, it's easy not to drink sodas because I never enjoyed them anyway.
> Once a week I go out and meet a friend for a pastry and coffee and it is
> very enjoyable. And of course, whatever we choose, we're doing the balancing
> act with exercise, meds, stress and you name it. So I try to look at my
> total package and every once in awhile I realize that maybe I've tipped a
> little bit too far to one side or another and I gently bring myself back.
> Guess I'm a child of the sixties but I do believe that whatever choices or
> changes we make, if they come from a place of love and self-respect, they'll
> stick. And of course, take from the wisdom of your friends and make the best
> choice for yourself. <grin> Okay, rant over now. <grin> Dinner, anyone?
> Veronica
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> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-talk
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:21 PM
> To: 'Mike Freeman'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
> 
> I agree, Mike.  I guess I think clinical and population studies that are
> conducted on enough people can be valid, even to physicists and chemists,
> and I think there is population evidence indicating that sodas, which are
> not necessary to our diets, can, in large quantities, be harmful.  But
> that's a quibble, unless you're drinking lots of soda.  Then you need to be
> aware of the motto "Everything in moderation," which is a good motto!  
> 
> I did want to comment on artificial sweeteners turning into formaldehyde.
> That is not at all true.  There was worry with Aspartame during the 25 years
> in which it was tested and studied ad nauseum that storing soda made with it
> for long periods or in very hot conditions might result in dangerous or
> deadly products.  Tests were done to find out, and none was identified.  If
> it was a worry, people would probably drop dead after drinking diet sodas.
> Like everything else, however, artificial sweeteners are okay "in
> moderation."  If you drink lots of diet sodas or eat lots of foods sweetened
> with artificial sweeteners, it might be worth taking a look at your diet and
> asking yourself "Am I giving myself the food my body needs?"  It's always
> worth staying aware of what you eat and drink and how it affects your body.
> 
> But there is no reason to fear sodas with either sugar or artificial
> sweeteners.  Fit them into your diet in reasonable portions and in
> moderation, compensate as necessary with medication and/or insulin, and
> enjoy life! 
> 
> Sandi
> 
> 
> 
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> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman via Diabetes-talk
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:55 PM
> To: 'Bernadette Jacobs'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
> 
> With respect, I believe using emotionally-loaded words such as "deadly" or
> "poison" does a disservice to this list in that, as with most diets, foods
> and supplements, there have been *no* double-blind, pluscebo-controlled
> studies/trials in humans (indeed, such may not even be possible) verifying
> or disproving the extreme claims as to the harmful (or, for that matter,
> beneficial) effects of soda-drinking beyond the obvious observation that
> embibing nondiet sodas means one is taking in empty (i.e., no nourishment)
> calories and a lot of unnecessary carbohydrates -- ones that diabetics must
> either eschew or compensate for in the form of extra insulin intake in order
> to stay in diabetic control.
> To be sure, there have been some studies which *seem* to indicate that
> excess fructose can have adverse effects and other studies which *seem* to
> indicate that drinking even diet sodas can cause some weight-gain. However,
> no studies that are truly medically valid, i.e., double-blind,
> pluscebo-controlled with hundreds of thousands of participants, have been
> conducted and so to me the jury is still out. Indeed, I am somewhat
> convinced that *no* true diet or nutritional study can be done in such a
> rigorous manner that physicists and chemists and perhaps biologists, too,
> would unreservedly buy into them.
> All other things being equal, it's probably better to avoid excess soda
> consumption (indeed, I don't see why so many people find sodas appealing).
> But IMO there's no reason to panic and we should remember that there is as
> much disinformation as information on the Internet and that the studies we
> hear trumpeted every day are publicized as much to swell the budgets of
> would-be researchers as to impart real information.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> P.S. We have hydrochloric acid -- very corrosive -- in our stomachs. Does
> this mean we should remove our stomachs because they contain a substance
> that, in quantity, burns holes in us?
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bernadette Jacobs via Diabetes-talk
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:18 AM
> To: Bonnie Lucas; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
> 
> For those who put pop/soda on their grocery lsts as a weekly staple, that's
> scary.  However, I think the key here is moderation.  I went to Taco Bwell
> and had a diet pepsi with lunch.  Can't remember when I had the last pop.  I
> don't feel like I'm suicidal because I might only drink a pop once every
> several months though.  This does, however, becomes expensive buying it on a
> weekly basis.
>> On 4/24/15, Bonnie Lucas via Diabetes-talk <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I am subscribed to this list because I work with diabetics but I am 
>> not diabetic. Generally I do not post but I cannot resist this time.
>> Personally, I limit my soda products to none a year. Between the sugar 
>> and the artificial sweeteners and everything else in soda, I think it 
>> is deadly. You may think that is radical but simply cutting them out 
>> entirely several years ago, I lost 10 pounds. There is no evidence 
>> that
> they are helpful to anyone.
>> Good luck making your personal decision. I anticipate this post will 
>> spark a lot of opposite view posts. I hope there are a few who agree 
>> with
> me!
>> 
>> 
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>>   1. Coke 0 type drinks (Marshall Scott)
>>   2. Re: Coke 0 type drinks (Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:11:01 -0600
>> From: Marshall Scott <mfscott at me.com>
>> To: the Blind Talk for Diabetes <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
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>> Hi Folks,
>> I was wondering what you think of Coke 0 type drinks.  My grocery 
>> store has some that are raspberry and lemonade flavored.
>> 
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>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:40:03 -0500
>> From: "Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter" <bkpollpeter at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Marshall Scott'" <mfscott at me.com>,    "'Diabetes Talk for the
>>    Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
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>> If you're going to drink soda, I guess sugar-free is best, at least 
>> for diabetics. Note, though, studies are showing diet soda can 
>> contribute to belly fat actually. Plus, soda is full of synthetic 
>> ingredients. Despite what some say, I also still think too much 
>> caffeine is not good. Personally, I limite my soda consumption to no 
>> more than 3 a week, and then, it's caffeine-free and of course, 
>> sugar-free. Diet A & W or diet Barq's root beer is my favorite.
>> 
>> As for taste, I can not stand Coke products and am probably the wrong 
>> person to ask, grin. Coke 0 is sugar-free and calorie and carb-free 
>> though, so in terms of it affecting glucose levels, it shouldn't, 
>> though I believe some studies are also suggesting artificial sweetners 
>> can affect glucose levels in some cases.
>> 
>> Not sure exactly what info you were looking for, sorry.
>> 
>> Bridgit
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Marshall Scott via Diabetes-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 12:11 PM
>> To: the Blind Talk for Diabetes
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
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>> Hi Folks,
>> I was wondering what you think of Coke 0 type drinks.  My grocery 
>> store has some that are raspberry and lemonade flavored.
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