[Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

Wed Oct 26 20:52:28 UTC 2016

Veronica,

Yes, I was diagnosed in the 80s as well. I've had type one for almost 31
years, and I'm only 35. Back then, food was so restrictive. There were
definite yes and nos when it came to food. But a lot has happened since
then, a lot of research, a lot of rethinking. Fortunately, really nothing is
off limits to diabetics nowadays. But as a kid with diabetes, living at a
time when so much was off limits, it was really difficult. Friend's parents
didn't want me over because they had no idea what to feed me, or do if
something "bad" happened. My grandma made an angel food cake for my birthday
every year. Once side was iced, the other plain. Guess which side was meant
for me. In junior high, after eating Cheerios with a little sugar at a
friend's, her mom read something about diabetics not being allowed to eat
sugar, and she later reemed me out, accusing me of being a liar, and how I
better never lie to her again. I tried explaining sugar was okay, but she
insisted I was wrong because she had read something. Even now, I encounter
so many people who have half the facts, or read sound bites and think they
understand diabetes. When my husband and I were engaged, his mom told him to
be careful because diabetics can go crazy. Still not sure where she got this
idea. And my in-laws were also under the impression I couldn't eat various
things, and were concerned when they would see me eating sweets or fastfood,
despite my glucose control. So I think it's just something we will always
deal with.

Bridgit

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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 3:20 PM
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Cc: Veronica Elsea <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

First, oh Bridgit, wow! Major congrats and more blessings to you and your
family. 
And here's a weird angle to this food discussion. One of the reasons I'm
really enjoying this is because for some ridiculous reason, I just can't
quite get past my horrible experiences during my first couple of years of
living with Type 1. I was teased and put down at a so-called diabetes
support group by the other participants because I said I missed French
fries. I never ate them often but once in awhile, I found them to be a tasty
compliment to a burger. Back then I was handed this long list of forbidden
foods and having always been a careful eater, I really felt deprived and
punished. Of course, many things have changed since 1988 but that experience
just left a huge mark that is still hard to forget. So I love how freely we
seem to be able to talk about food here and seeing how different we all are
and that it's okay. It took me more than ten years before I actually shared
a meal with another person known to have diabetes. <grin> Having lived with
this for almost 29 years now, obviously I'm confident about my choices these
days. But there's just this little tiny element that bounces up once in
awhile. 
So thanks all of you for helping to make these discussions useful and fun.
Veronica

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Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 10:40 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

Even though I do Paleo, I continue to research it, both opposing and
supporting it. I have had questions and reservations, and that's why after a
couple of months, I decided to do a modified version of it. But for me, I
just noticed things like better glucose control and losing the last few
pounds of baby weight. It may not work the same for anyone else, I
acknowledge this. I can only provide my experience. But I don't force it or
any other lifestyle on anyone. My husband for instance does not do Paleo,
nor do I make my children follow it.

As I've said many times on this topic, I support a balance diet in general.
The most important thing with anything is moderation. And if something is
working for you, great. If it doesn't work, try something else.

Bridgit

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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

With respect, my opinion varies from that discussed here.

IMO the paleo diet is just so much guesswork and wishful thinking on the
parts of vegetarians/vegans. For instance, we used to think that chimps
didn't eat meat. Jane Goodall put the lie to that one.

Mike Freeman

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Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-Talk
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 1:34 PM
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Cc: Veronica Elsea
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

How is this diet for calcium. My inclusion of Greek yogurt and cheese has
stopped my rheumatologist from threatening me with calcium pills. Now I'll
have to hit Google. <grin> Thanks for the info.
Veronica

"Guide Dogs, First Hand", Veronica Elsea's classic album is now available on
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                Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407

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Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:58 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

Fortunately for me, I'm not a coffee drinker, grin.

Bridgit

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Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

Give up coffee?  That's an essential food, especially if it comes from
Starbucks or Tim Horton's, the coffee shop up here in northern Maine.  LOL.

Mark Tardif
Nuclear arms will not hold you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

Bern,

If you Google Paleo diet, a ton pops up.

Basically, you cut out grains, wheat, dairy, refined sugar, legumes, and
technically you eat all organic. People do modified versions of Paleo, like
some still include dairy, or some will still have wheat and grains at times,
though you should limit them even on a modified version. A majority of carbs
will come from fruit and some veggies like sweet potatoes. You should avoid
or sparingly use regular potatoes. Typically you also cut out soda and coffe
and tea unless herbal, though, again, if doing modified version, you can
have these things from time-to-time. And if you can't do organic for
everything, that's okay.

It's not as difficult to implement as you think. I found it overwhelming at
first, as I researched it, but once I started, it was not so difficult.

I do a modified version as I still do Greek yogurt at times and hummus,
which is made from legumes.

An example of my daily meals may be 2 eggs cooked in coconut oil and a
banana with turkey sausage for breakfast. For lunch, grilled chicken with a
dry rub, lettuce salad with olive oil and red vinegar home-made dressing and
veggie chips. Dinner may be more grilled meat or a lettuce wrap sandwhich,
carrot fries baked in coconut oil and another salad. Snacks are nuts and
seeds, fruit and veggies, Larabars, etc. A lot of Paleo recipes are online.
My picky son and husband enjoy a lot of the recipes I have found.

Bridgit

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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

Good Evening Everyone:

Sandi and Veronica, I'm with you both.  I would say with whatever I eat, I
seem to operate similarly with the two of you.  However, I do have a niece
who is on the Paleo thing.  For what I've heard, I find interesting.  I'd
actually like to learn more if someone could explain to me.  My niece tried
to send me a link but I couldn't seem to pull it up for whatever reason.
Brigit, Maybe you and I can topuch base sometime.  I'd really like to learn.

Have a wonderful, restful evening  Bill and I are going to retire for the
evening very soon here.

Bern

On 10/23/16, Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-Talk <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> What really sparked some of my comments was attending an event a 
> couple of weeks ago where box lunches were provided. A woman was 
> attending who was prescribed this diet called whole foods plant based 
> diet. And I don't mean the grocery store. <grin> But there was nothing
there that she could eat.
> She managed to take a sandwich apart and munch a piece of turkey. I 
> suppose once one has reached a certain level of commitment, perhaps 
> the feeling of deprivation isn't so strong but I just found it hard to 
> picure on a daily basis for me. But I've been around long enough never 
> to say never! <grin> Veronica
>
> "Guide Dogs, First Hand", Veronica Elsea's classic album is now 
> available on iTunes, along with other music from her and from the 
> Guide Dog Glee Club.
> To learn more, visit:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:10 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> I agree about dieting. I don't believe in dieting. I do believe in 
> making adjustments to lifestyle and learning to consistently work with 
> a particular mealplan, whatever that may be for any given person. In 
> all things, I think balance is key.
>
> I don't know about research, but from personal experience, as a type 
> one diabetic who is insulin dependent, when I tried Atkins, I found my 
> blood sugars actually were all over the place, particularly running 
> higher. I had to incorporate some form of carbs for a balance to my 
> glucose levels. Paleo does not cut out all carbs, just wheat and 
> grains, so this has worked very well for me. Again, doesn't mean what 
> works for me will for someone else, but this has been my personal 
> experience. And again, I have no actual medical research to back 
> anything up on no-carbs, but this was what happened for me.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:08 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sandra Ryan <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> What the research really shows is that nearly any eating pattern you 
> can maintain can work for you.
>
> And again, giving up whole groups of food isn't conducive in the 
> long-term to stable eating and good health. A lot of the research 
> around vegetarian diets is based on hypotheses about how much better 
> they are for the environment.
>
> Having said that, we are adults here, and one can choose to try nearly 
> any diet, particularly as a well-controlled Type 2. I did Atkins for 
> about two years. What I found was that the induction phase (to which I 
> added nuts and berries from Day 1) helped me kick the truly 
> meaningless products we tend to overeat--foods with lots of sugar and 
> white flour (or other flour, for that matter), and processed foods 
> like chips, crackers, cereals, etc.
>
> But I found I'm not willing to skip sweets when they're the basis of a 
> birthday party, for instance. I decided about 20 years ago that I do 
> not diet. I eat the foods I truly want at a given meal or snack, in 
> reasonable portions, and try to balance my eating over time--a week, 
> say--rather than stick to an inflexible meal plan.
>
> Occasionally, such as Thursday, I eat chips or crackers or something 
> when I'm out. Thursday I had homemade corn chips with homemade salsa.
> I think it was six or 7 chips and maybe 1/4 cup salsa. Very tasty, and 
> not something I eat at home more than a time or two a year.
>
> Try making every food available to yourself, picking those foods you 
> really want to eat, working to balance your meals and snacks with 
> foods you maybe don't crave but like to keep things healthy, and make 
> feeding yourself so you're not hungry between times a goal. Remember 
> that you can eat carbs--you just need to pay attention and not eat too 
> many, and get enough protein and fat to keep your body satisfied.
>
> The one thing I think is important for people using insulin is to be 
> aware that you need to be careful about eating very low-carb, 
> particularly if your body produces no insulin. That's a subject I'm 
> less familiar with, since I was not a diabetes dietitian, and do not 
> use insulin.
>
> Balance is important. And remember these are general guidelines, not a 
> prescription. If you need your personal diet adjusted or help with 
> knowing exactly how to fit your eating into your lifestyle, please 
> consult a currently practicing dietitian.
>
> Sandi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 7:23 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> More and more research shows the positive effect of such diets, but 
> again, if you truly don't have the discipline to follow and just 
> really enjoy certain foods, it's better to stick to a mealplan you can 
> consistently follow instead of starting and stopping another.
>
> Personally, I like the Paleo mealplan. I started this this past winter 
> and stuck with it until I became pregnant. I'm not majorly cheating on 
> it, but once I have this baby, I plan to go back full on it.
> Essentially, you cut out wheat, grains, dairy and refined sugars.
> You're supposed to eat organic too, but I just do it as much as possible.
Most my carbs come from fruit.
> You can do modified versions of Paleo where you keep dairy or certain 
> kind of grains. I've found cutting out wheat and grains to make a huge 
> difference with my digestive system and blood sugars. I do have Greek 
> yogurt from time-to-time too. Personally, I don't find this to be a 
> super restrictive diet, nor that difficult to follow. But it can take 
> time to adjust. It does require a little food prep for most meals, but 
> it's not a major problem, in my opinion.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 7:06 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Veronica Elsea <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> Here at our medical clinic, they are pushing this diet as an anti 
> inflammatory diet. So if you go see a physiatrist for, say, neck pain, 
> you get put into classes to learn this diet. I'm having a hard time 
> quite buying it. I can see cutting back on things but total 
> elimination? Not at my house.
> <grin>
> Veronica
>
>
> "Guide Dogs, First Hand", Veronica Elsea's classic album is now 
> available on iTunes, along with other music from her and from the 
> Guide Dog Glee Club.
> To learn more, visit:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>                 Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of g melconian via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:39 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Cc: g melconian
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> Sandy good to know. Also anytoher tipsthat you amy have for us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:19 PM
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> Cc: Sandra Ryan <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> As a retired dietitian, I hate any diet that says "no no no no no!"
> That's one that will be out the door before you know it! If it doesn't 
> fit your lifestyle, it won't work, and it's not necessary. If you 
> might like some of the recipes, try them, and add them to your regular 
> menu. Or you could try out the diet by having one day a week be 
> vegetarian (not necessarily vegan).
> But really, leaving out whole food groups is unnecessary and 
> unsatisfying, if you ask me. Keep meat portions relatively small, eat 
> your fruits and veggies, add a little grain and/or potato, and be 
> happy! It's best not to do things that are wildly different than your 
> normal. Especially when your diabetes is obviously well-controlled.
>
> Sandi
>
>
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> Behalf Of David Andrews via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 1:31 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: David Andrews
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> I have a question -- curious to see what people think ... at the risk 
> of starting a firestorm.
>
> First, let me say, I have very mild type 2 diabetes, A1C of 6.6.
>
> I just read a book by Dr. Neil Barnard, in which he promotes a low fat 
> diet as a way to combat type 2 diabetes. He says basically, vegan, no 
> red meat, no poultry, no fish, no dairy, no animal fats, and no eggs.
> I can see how it might work, but would hate giving up my meat!
>
> Dave
>
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