[Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
d m gina
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Fri Oct 28 20:13:28 UTC 2016
Well now,
When folks give up all, they still die.
So coffee isn't going to hurt me being the only thing that caused me to
become a diabetic.
Original message:
> I really don't mean this in a combative way, just as a point of thought, but
> I find it interesting when people say they won't do something. Before
> panties get in a twist, I'm not saying this because I think people should
> give anything up, but as a general discussion, especially on a list for
> diabetics, shouldn't we be more open-minded? I hear so many people refuse to
> give things up that may actually be beneficial if they did, or in some
> cases, could create health problems if they don't, so it's just interesting
> to me to say can't or won't.
> Again, not suggesting coffee is bad or that anyone should give it up. Nor
> anything else. I just don't like the phrases can't or won't, especially
> coming from a community in the Federation.
> There's a lot of things that would be difficult to give up, but I guess I'm
> willing to try to see if it benefits me, if I'm interested, that is. If you
> have no interest in trying something, great, no probs, but staying open to
> new things isn't a bad thing.
> Okay, rant done for today, ha-ha!
> Bridgit
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> m gina via Diabetes-Talk
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> Cc: d m gina <dmgina at sero.email>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
> I also love my coffee and won't give it up.
> I drink one large cup a day.
> Original message:
>> Give up coffee? That's an essential food, especially if it comes from
>> Starbucks or Tim Horton's, the coffee shop up here in northern Maine.
> LOL.
>> Mark Tardif
>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:04 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>> Bern,
>> If you Google Paleo diet, a ton pops up.
>> Basically, you cut out grains, wheat, dairy, refined sugar, legumes, and
>> technically you eat all organic. People do modified versions of Paleo,
> like
>> some still include dairy, or some will still have wheat and grains at
> times,
>> though you should limit them even on a modified version. A majority of
> carbs
>> will come from fruit and some veggies like sweet potatoes. You should
> avoid
>> or sparingly use regular potatoes. Typically you also cut out soda and
> coffe
>> and tea unless herbal, though, again, if doing modified version, you can
>> have these things from time-to-time. And if you can't do organic for
>> everything, that's okay.
>> It's not as difficult to implement as you think. I found it overwhelming
> at
>> first, as I researched it, but once I started, it was not so difficult.
>> I do a modified version as I still do Greek yogurt at times and hummus,
>> which is made from legumes.
>> An example of my daily meals may be 2 eggs cooked in coconut oil and a
>> banana with turkey sausage for breakfast. For lunch, grilled chicken with
> a
>> dry rub, lettuce salad with olive oil and red vinegar home-made dressing
> and
>> veggie chips. Dinner may be more grilled meat or a lettuce wrap sandwhich,
>> carrot fries baked in coconut oil and another salad. Snacks are nuts and
>> seeds, fruit and veggies, Larabars, etc. A lot of Paleo recipes are
> online.
>> My picky son and husband enjoy a lot of the recipes I have found.
>> Bridgit
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Bernadette Jacobs via Diabetes-Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:52 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Bernadette Jacobs <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>> Good Evening Everyone:
>> Sandi and Veronica, I'm with you both. I would say with whatever I eat, I
>> seem to operate similarly with the two of you. However, I do have a niece
>> who is on the Paleo thing. For what I've heard, I find interesting. I'd
>> actually like to learn more if someone could explain to me. My niece
> tried
>> to send me a link but I couldn't seem to pull it up for whatever reason.
>> Brigit, Maybe you and I can topuch base sometime. I'd really like to
> learn.
>> Have a wonderful, restful evening Bill and I are going to retire for the
>> evening very soon here.
>> Bern
>> On 10/23/16, Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-Talk <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> What really sparked some of my comments was attending an event a
>>> couple of weeks ago where box lunches were provided. A woman was
>>> attending who was prescribed this diet called whole foods plant based
>>> diet. And I don't mean the grocery store. <grin> But there was nothing
>> there that she could eat.
>>> She managed to take a sandwich apart and munch a piece of turkey. I
>>> suppose once one has reached a certain level of commitment, perhaps
>>> the feeling of deprivation isn't so strong but I just found it hard to
>>> picure on a daily basis for me. But I've been around long enough never
>>> to say never! <grin> Veronica
>>> "Guide Dogs, First Hand", Veronica Elsea's classic album is now
>>> available on iTunes, along with other music from her and from the
>>> Guide Dog Glee Club.
>>> To learn more, visit:
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:10 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>>> I agree about dieting. I don't believe in dieting. I do believe in
>>> making adjustments to lifestyle and learning to consistently work with
>>> a particular mealplan, whatever that may be for any given person. In
>>> all things, I think balance is key.
>>> I don't know about research, but from personal experience, as a type
>>> one diabetic who is insulin dependent, when I tried Atkins, I found my
>>> blood sugars actually were all over the place, particularly running
>>> higher. I had to incorporate some form of carbs for a balance to my
>>> glucose levels. Paleo does not cut out all carbs, just wheat and
>>> grains, so this has worked very well for me. Again, doesn't mean what
>>> works for me will for someone else, but this has been my personal
>>> experience. And again, I have no actual medical research to back
>>> anything up on no-carbs, but this was what happened for me.
>>> Bridgit
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:08 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Sandra Ryan <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>>> What the research really shows is that nearly any eating pattern you
>>> can maintain can work for you.
>>> And again, giving up whole groups of food isn't conducive in the
>>> long-term to stable eating and good health. A lot of the research
>>> around vegetarian diets is based on hypotheses about how much better
>>> they are for the environment.
>>> Having said that, we are adults here, and one can choose to try nearly
>>> any diet, particularly as a well-controlled Type 2. I did Atkins for
>>> about two years. What I found was that the induction phase (to which I
>>> added nuts and berries from Day 1) helped me kick the truly
>>> meaningless products we tend to overeat--foods with lots of sugar and
>>> white flour (or other flour, for that matter), and processed foods
>>> like chips, crackers, cereals, etc.
>>> But I found I'm not willing to skip sweets when they're the basis of a
>>> birthday party, for instance. I decided about 20 years ago that I do
>>> not diet. I eat the foods I truly want at a given meal or snack, in
>>> reasonable portions, and try to balance my eating over time--a week,
>>> say--rather than stick to an inflexible meal plan.
>>> Occasionally, such as Thursday, I eat chips or crackers or something
>>> when I'm out. Thursday I had homemade corn chips with homemade salsa.
>>> I think it was six or 7 chips and maybe 1/4 cup salsa. Very tasty, and
>>> not something I eat at home more than a time or two a year.
>>> Try making every food available to yourself, picking those foods you
>>> really want to eat, working to balance your meals and snacks with
>>> foods you maybe don't crave but like to keep things healthy, and make
>>> feeding yourself so you're not hungry between times a goal. Remember
>>> that you can eat carbs--you just need to pay attention and not eat too
>>> many, and get enough protein and fat to keep your body satisfied.
>>> The one thing I think is important for people using insulin is to be
>>> aware that you need to be careful about eating very low-carb,
>>> particularly if your body produces no insulin. That's a subject I'm
>>> less familiar with, since I was not a diabetes dietitian, and do not
>>> use insulin.
>>> Balance is important. And remember these are general guidelines, not a
>>> prescription. If you need your personal diet adjusted or help with
>>> knowing exactly how to fit your eating into your lifestyle, please
>>> consult a currently practicing dietitian.
>>> Sandi
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 7:23 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>>> More and more research shows the positive effect of such diets, but
>>> again, if you truly don't have the discipline to follow and just
>>> really enjoy certain foods, it's better to stick to a mealplan you can
>>> consistently follow instead of starting and stopping another.
>>> Personally, I like the Paleo mealplan. I started this this past winter
>>> and stuck with it until I became pregnant. I'm not majorly cheating on
>>> it, but once I have this baby, I plan to go back full on it.
>>> Essentially, you cut out wheat, grains, dairy and refined sugars.
>>> You're supposed to eat organic too, but I just do it as much as possible.
>> Most my carbs come from fruit.
>>> You can do modified versions of Paleo where you keep dairy or certain
>>> kind of grains. I've found cutting out wheat and grains to make a huge
>>> difference with my digestive system and blood sugars. I do have Greek
>>> yogurt from time-to-time too. Personally, I don't find this to be a
>>> super restrictive diet, nor that difficult to follow. But it can take
>>> time to adjust. It does require a little food prep for most meals, but
>>> it's not a major problem, in my opinion.
>>> Bridgit
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 7:06 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Veronica Elsea <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>>> Here at our medical clinic, they are pushing this diet as an anti
>>> inflammatory diet. So if you go see a physiatrist for, say, neck pain,
>>> you get put into classes to learn this diet. I'm having a hard time
>>> quite buying it. I can see cutting back on things but total
>>> elimination? Not at my house.
>>> <grin>
>>> Veronica
>>> "Guide Dogs, First Hand", Veronica Elsea's classic album is now
>>> available on iTunes, along with other music from her and from the
>>> Guide Dog Glee Club.
>>> To learn more, visit:
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of g melconian via Diabetes-Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:39 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Cc: g melconian
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>>> Sandy good to know. Also anytoher tipsthat you amy have for us.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:19 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Sandra Ryan <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>>> Hi Dave,
>>> As a retired dietitian, I hate any diet that says "no no no no no!"
>>> That's one that will be out the door before you know it! If it doesn't
>>> fit your lifestyle, it won't work, and it's not necessary. If you
>>> might like some of the recipes, try them, and add them to your regular
>>> menu. Or you could try out the diet by having one day a week be
>>> vegetarian (not necessarily vegan).
>>> But really, leaving out whole food groups is unnecessary and
>>> unsatisfying, if you ask me. Keep meat portions relatively small, eat
>>> your fruits and veggies, add a little grain and/or potato, and be
>>> happy! It's best not to do things that are wildly different than your
>>> normal. Especially when your diabetes is obviously well-controlled.
>>> Sandi
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>>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 1:31 PM
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>>> Cc: David Andrews
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>>> I have a question -- curious to see what people think ... at the risk
>>> of starting a firestorm.
>>> First, let me say, I have very mild type 2 diabetes, A1C of 6.6.
>>> I just read a book by Dr. Neil Barnard, in which he promotes a low fat
>>> diet as a way to combat type 2 diabetes. He says basically, vegan, no
>>> red meat, no poultry, no fish, no dairy, no animal fats, and no eggs.
>>> I can see how it might work, but would hate giving up my meat!
>>> Dave
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