[Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
d m gina
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Fri Oct 28 21:27:24 UTC 2016
My dear,
I told a friend that I wouldn't go visit her if the police were coming
to decide what I could or couldn't eat.
That to keep the friendship it would be better if we never visited, she
was happy with that.
Original message:
> Veronica,
> Yes, I was diagnosed in the 80s as well. I've had type one for almost 31
> years, and I'm only 35. Back then, food was so restrictive. There were
> definite yes and nos when it came to food. But a lot has happened since
> then, a lot of research, a lot of rethinking. Fortunately, really nothing is
> off limits to diabetics nowadays. But as a kid with diabetes, living at a
> time when so much was off limits, it was really difficult. Friend's parents
> didn't want me over because they had no idea what to feed me, or do if
> something "bad" happened. My grandma made an angel food cake for my birthday
> every year. Once side was iced, the other plain. Guess which side was meant
> for me. In junior high, after eating Cheerios with a little sugar at a
> friend's, her mom read something about diabetics not being allowed to eat
> sugar, and she later reemed me out, accusing me of being a liar, and how I
> better never lie to her again. I tried explaining sugar was okay, but she
> insisted I was wrong because she had read something. Even now, I encounter
> so many people who have half the facts, or read sound bites and think they
> understand diabetes. When my husband and I were engaged, his mom told him to
> be careful because diabetics can go crazy. Still not sure where she got this
> idea. And my in-laws were also under the impression I couldn't eat various
> things, and were concerned when they would see me eating sweets or fastfood,
> despite my glucose control. So I think it's just something we will always
> deal with.
> Bridgit
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 3:20 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Veronica Elsea <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
> First, oh Bridgit, wow! Major congrats and more blessings to you and your
> family.
> And here's a weird angle to this food discussion. One of the reasons I'm
> really enjoying this is because for some ridiculous reason, I just can't
> quite get past my horrible experiences during my first couple of years of
> living with Type 1. I was teased and put down at a so-called diabetes
> support group by the other participants because I said I missed French
> fries. I never ate them often but once in awhile, I found them to be a tasty
> compliment to a burger. Back then I was handed this long list of forbidden
> foods and having always been a careful eater, I really felt deprived and
> punished. Of course, many things have changed since 1988 but that experience
> just left a huge mark that is still hard to forget. So I love how freely we
> seem to be able to talk about food here and seeing how different we all are
> and that it's okay. It took me more than ten years before I actually shared
> a meal with another person known to have diabetes. <grin> Having lived with
> this for almost 29 years now, obviously I'm confident about my choices these
> days. But there's just this little tiny element that bounces up once in
> awhile.
> So thanks all of you for helping to make these discussions useful and fun.
> Veronica
> "Guide Dogs, First Hand", Veronica Elsea's classic album is now available on
> iTunes, along with other music from her and from the Guide Dog Glee Club.
> To learn more, visit:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 10:40 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
> Even though I do Paleo, I continue to research it, both opposing and
> supporting it. I have had questions and reservations, and that's why after a
> couple of months, I decided to do a modified version of it. But for me, I
> just noticed things like better glucose control and losing the last few
> pounds of baby weight. It may not work the same for anyone else, I
> acknowledge this. I can only provide my experience. But I don't force it or
> any other lifestyle on anyone. My husband for instance does not do Paleo,
> nor do I make my children follow it.
> As I've said many times on this topic, I support a balance diet in general.
> The most important thing with anything is moderation. And if something is
> working for you, great. If it doesn't work, try something else.
> Bridgit
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 12:17 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
> With respect, my opinion varies from that discussed here.
> IMO the paleo diet is just so much guesswork and wishful thinking on the
> parts of vegetarians/vegans. For instance, we used to think that chimps
> didn't eat meat. Jane Goodall put the lie to that one.
> Mike Freeman
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 1:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Cc: Veronica Elsea
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
> How is this diet for calcium. My inclusion of Greek yogurt and cheese has
> stopped my rheumatologist from threatening me with calcium pills. Now I'll
> have to hit Google. <grin> Thanks for the info.
> Veronica
> "Guide Dogs, First Hand", Veronica Elsea's classic album is now available on
> iTunes, along with other music from her and from the Guide Dog Glee Club.
> To learn more, visit:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:58 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
> Fortunately for me, I'm not a coffee drinker, grin.
> Bridgit
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mark Tardif via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
> Give up coffee? That's an essential food, especially if it comes from
> Starbucks or Tim Horton's, the coffee shop up here in northern Maine. LOL.
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:04 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
> Bern,
> If you Google Paleo diet, a ton pops up.
> Basically, you cut out grains, wheat, dairy, refined sugar, legumes, and
> technically you eat all organic. People do modified versions of Paleo, like
> some still include dairy, or some will still have wheat and grains at times,
> though you should limit them even on a modified version. A majority of carbs
> will come from fruit and some veggies like sweet potatoes. You should avoid
> or sparingly use regular potatoes. Typically you also cut out soda and coffe
> and tea unless herbal, though, again, if doing modified version, you can
> have these things from time-to-time. And if you can't do organic for
> everything, that's okay.
> It's not as difficult to implement as you think. I found it overwhelming at
> first, as I researched it, but once I started, it was not so difficult.
> I do a modified version as I still do Greek yogurt at times and hummus,
> which is made from legumes.
> An example of my daily meals may be 2 eggs cooked in coconut oil and a
> banana with turkey sausage for breakfast. For lunch, grilled chicken with a
> dry rub, lettuce salad with olive oil and red vinegar home-made dressing and
> veggie chips. Dinner may be more grilled meat or a lettuce wrap sandwhich,
> carrot fries baked in coconut oil and another salad. Snacks are nuts and
> seeds, fruit and veggies, Larabars, etc. A lot of Paleo recipes are online.
> My picky son and husband enjoy a lot of the recipes I have found.
> Bridgit
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bernadette Jacobs via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:52 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Bernadette Jacobs <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
> Good Evening Everyone:
> Sandi and Veronica, I'm with you both. I would say with whatever I eat, I
> seem to operate similarly with the two of you. However, I do have a niece
> who is on the Paleo thing. For what I've heard, I find interesting. I'd
> actually like to learn more if someone could explain to me. My niece tried
> to send me a link but I couldn't seem to pull it up for whatever reason.
> Brigit, Maybe you and I can topuch base sometime. I'd really like to learn.
> Have a wonderful, restful evening Bill and I are going to retire for the
> evening very soon here.
> Bern
> On 10/23/16, Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-Talk <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> What really sparked some of my comments was attending an event a
>> couple of weeks ago where box lunches were provided. A woman was
>> attending who was prescribed this diet called whole foods plant based
>> diet. And I don't mean the grocery store. <grin> But there was nothing
> there that she could eat.
>> She managed to take a sandwich apart and munch a piece of turkey. I
>> suppose once one has reached a certain level of commitment, perhaps
>> the feeling of deprivation isn't so strong but I just found it hard to
>> picure on a daily basis for me. But I've been around long enough never
>> to say never! <grin> Veronica
>> "Guide Dogs, First Hand", Veronica Elsea's classic album is now
>> available on iTunes, along with other music from her and from the
>> Guide Dog Glee Club.
>> To learn more, visit:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:10 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>> I agree about dieting. I don't believe in dieting. I do believe in
>> making adjustments to lifestyle and learning to consistently work with
>> a particular mealplan, whatever that may be for any given person. In
>> all things, I think balance is key.
>> I don't know about research, but from personal experience, as a type
>> one diabetic who is insulin dependent, when I tried Atkins, I found my
>> blood sugars actually were all over the place, particularly running
>> higher. I had to incorporate some form of carbs for a balance to my
>> glucose levels. Paleo does not cut out all carbs, just wheat and
>> grains, so this has worked very well for me. Again, doesn't mean what
>> works for me will for someone else, but this has been my personal
>> experience. And again, I have no actual medical research to back
>> anything up on no-carbs, but this was what happened for me.
>> Bridgit
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:08 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sandra Ryan <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>> What the research really shows is that nearly any eating pattern you
>> can maintain can work for you.
>> And again, giving up whole groups of food isn't conducive in the
>> long-term to stable eating and good health. A lot of the research
>> around vegetarian diets is based on hypotheses about how much better
>> they are for the environment.
>> Having said that, we are adults here, and one can choose to try nearly
>> any diet, particularly as a well-controlled Type 2. I did Atkins for
>> about two years. What I found was that the induction phase (to which I
>> added nuts and berries from Day 1) helped me kick the truly
>> meaningless products we tend to overeat--foods with lots of sugar and
>> white flour (or other flour, for that matter), and processed foods
>> like chips, crackers, cereals, etc.
>> But I found I'm not willing to skip sweets when they're the basis of a
>> birthday party, for instance. I decided about 20 years ago that I do
>> not diet. I eat the foods I truly want at a given meal or snack, in
>> reasonable portions, and try to balance my eating over time--a week,
>> say--rather than stick to an inflexible meal plan.
>> Occasionally, such as Thursday, I eat chips or crackers or something
>> when I'm out. Thursday I had homemade corn chips with homemade salsa.
>> I think it was six or 7 chips and maybe 1/4 cup salsa. Very tasty, and
>> not something I eat at home more than a time or two a year.
>> Try making every food available to yourself, picking those foods you
>> really want to eat, working to balance your meals and snacks with
>> foods you maybe don't crave but like to keep things healthy, and make
>> feeding yourself so you're not hungry between times a goal. Remember
>> that you can eat carbs--you just need to pay attention and not eat too
>> many, and get enough protein and fat to keep your body satisfied.
>> The one thing I think is important for people using insulin is to be
>> aware that you need to be careful about eating very low-carb,
>> particularly if your body produces no insulin. That's a subject I'm
>> less familiar with, since I was not a diabetes dietitian, and do not
>> use insulin.
>> Balance is important. And remember these are general guidelines, not a
>> prescription. If you need your personal diet adjusted or help with
>> knowing exactly how to fit your eating into your lifestyle, please
>> consult a currently practicing dietitian.
>> Sandi
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 7:23 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>> More and more research shows the positive effect of such diets, but
>> again, if you truly don't have the discipline to follow and just
>> really enjoy certain foods, it's better to stick to a mealplan you can
>> consistently follow instead of starting and stopping another.
>> Personally, I like the Paleo mealplan. I started this this past winter
>> and stuck with it until I became pregnant. I'm not majorly cheating on
>> it, but once I have this baby, I plan to go back full on it.
>> Essentially, you cut out wheat, grains, dairy and refined sugars.
>> You're supposed to eat organic too, but I just do it as much as possible.
> Most my carbs come from fruit.
>> You can do modified versions of Paleo where you keep dairy or certain
>> kind of grains. I've found cutting out wheat and grains to make a huge
>> difference with my digestive system and blood sugars. I do have Greek
>> yogurt from time-to-time too. Personally, I don't find this to be a
>> super restrictive diet, nor that difficult to follow. But it can take
>> time to adjust. It does require a little food prep for most meals, but
>> it's not a major problem, in my opinion.
>> Bridgit
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 7:06 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Veronica Elsea <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>> Here at our medical clinic, they are pushing this diet as an anti
>> inflammatory diet. So if you go see a physiatrist for, say, neck pain,
>> you get put into classes to learn this diet. I'm having a hard time
>> quite buying it. I can see cutting back on things but total
>> elimination? Not at my house.
>> <grin>
>> Veronica
>> "Guide Dogs, First Hand", Veronica Elsea's classic album is now
>> available on iTunes, along with other music from her and from the
>> Guide Dog Glee Club.
>> To learn more, visit:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of g melconian via Diabetes-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:39 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Cc: g melconian
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>> Sandy good to know. Also anytoher tipsthat you amy have for us.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:19 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sandra Ryan <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>> Hi Dave,
>> As a retired dietitian, I hate any diet that says "no no no no no!"
>> That's one that will be out the door before you know it! If it doesn't
>> fit your lifestyle, it won't work, and it's not necessary. If you
>> might like some of the recipes, try them, and add them to your regular
>> menu. Or you could try out the diet by having one day a week be
>> vegetarian (not necessarily vegan).
>> But really, leaving out whole food groups is unnecessary and
>> unsatisfying, if you ask me. Keep meat portions relatively small, eat
>> your fruits and veggies, add a little grain and/or potato, and be
>> happy! It's best not to do things that are wildly different than your
>> normal. Especially when your diabetes is obviously well-controlled.
>> Sandi
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of David Andrews via Diabetes-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 1:31 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: David Andrews
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>> I have a question -- curious to see what people think ... at the risk
>> of starting a firestorm.
>> First, let me say, I have very mild type 2 diabetes, A1C of 6.6.
>> I just read a book by Dr. Neil Barnard, in which he promotes a low fat
>> diet as a way to combat type 2 diabetes. He says basically, vegan, no
>> red meat, no poultry, no fish, no dairy, no animal fats, and no eggs.
>> I can see how it might work, but would hate giving up my meat!
>> Dave
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