[Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream

Jim Barbour jbar at barcore.com
Thu Nov 6 00:42:07 UTC 2008 

hehe  Ray, if it *were* that easy, NLS would probably have done
exactly that.

this project has been under way for a close to a decade.  I can pick
large holes in the project today, but its harder if you realize the
timeline that NLS is working in.

I would, however, love to see humanware build something like this as
part of the next generation of the stream - assuming they build one.

Jim

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 05:40:39PM -0600, Ray Foret jr wrote:
> Better yet, how bout just solving the problem by having the special NLS 
> machine operate like this.
> 
> Say the machine is connected to the internet via cable, DSL what ever.  Now, 
> let's say that the reader is listening to talking book Topics.  The person 
> hears a book title they want.  All they have to do is press the "get it now" 
> key.  What happens then is that the software in the player does everything 
> necessary to bring that book in to a blank cartridge and there you go.
> 
> Surely, it wouldn't be that hard to design that in to the player.
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray
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> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream
> 
> 
> Hey Fred,
> 
> So, I think this is why the cartridge solution exists.  People who aren't
> computer literate, and just want to read books, won't be happy in this
> beta project.  They'll be much happier using the NLS cartridge
> solution.  They'll trade the convenience of getting their books
> quickly, for the convenience of getting their books without having to
> touch a computer.
> 
> I'm of two minds about making the current process 'easier" via
> better automation or documentation.
> 
> On one hand, making this process easier would allow NLS to open the
> door to more people who wish to download books, which would presumably
> mean they'd need fewer people to load and mail cartridges.
> 
> On the other hand, lowering the barrier to entry will, no doubt,
> generate a substantially larger customer support load for NLS.
> 
> So, the question is, can NLS support more users by loading books onto
> cartridges for them, or by supporting users as they learn to use the
> computer, USB ports, screen reader, web browser, windows explorer,
> etc.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:55:13AM -0500, Fred Wurtzel wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > It is probably a reflection on my lack of teaching skills, but I encounter
> > some  people who cannot easily grasp the complicated relations between the
> > internet, Windows file management, unpacking or unzipping the book and the
> > Victor file management structure.  You and I understand this because we 
> > have
> > been doing it for years and have some aptitude or geekish interest in this
> > stuff.  Some people, believe it or not, have little interest in the arcane
> > process of computer systems and only want to listen to a book.  They have
> > spent $300 on the Stream and are frustrated because they are having
> > difficulty using it.  They sometimes feel humiliated by their difficulty,
> > which is not, in my opinion, their fault.
> >
> > I would welcome a better way to present the technology that would work for
> > people who are frustrated.  I am trying and feeling bad that I cannot 
> > always
> > succeed.  As I said earlier, it is probably my lack of teaching skill, not
> > the student.  All suggestions are welcome, jeering or not, but beware, I
> > bruise easily.  (smile)
> >
> > Warm Regards,
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:45 AM
> > To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> > Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream
> >
> > With respect, I gently disagree with you; it isn't that hard.
> >
> > That being said, if you download and install the Stream Companion
> > software, it's a bit easier.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:57 AM
> > Subject: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream
> >
> >
> > Hi all, I had used my victor stream in the beginning, but have stopped
> > for a
> > few months.  Only because I had such a hard time downloading and
> > unzipping
> > files, it was very complicated.  Has this since been easier to do. I use
> > the
> > stream for other things, but to download books was a big headache even
> > when
> > I contacted humanware, it was still rediculous.
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > Treasurer
> > National Federation of the Blind
> > Greater Long Island Chapter
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] New version of Olearia
> >
> >
> > > Greg,
> > > Will you let us know when we can get the program when it is out of
> > > beta?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Greg Kearney wrote:
> > >
> > > > We continue to make new beta versions of Olearia. The latest ada
> > > > preference option to open the last book played when you start
> > > > Olearia. It also fixes a few bugs as well.
> > > >
> > > > I will be working on some method of installing my launch script
> > > > unless someone at Apple can tell be a better way to do launching of
> > > > applications on disk insert.
> > > >
> > > > Olearia is a free, open source  DAISY digital talking book player
> > > > for Macintosh computers running MacOS X 10.5 or better. it can be
> > > > found at:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia
> > > >
> > > > as well as MacUpdates and Google Code which also has the source code
> > > > for download.
> > > >
> > > > Greg Kearney
> > > > Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
> > > > www.cucat.org
> > > >
> > > >
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