[Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream

Thu Nov 6 16:47:49 UTC 2008

Fred, 

I think that downloading books from the NLS program is an excellent use
for the computer.  This whole process has convinced me to learn computer
stuff I would have never otherwise learned.  

Pat maurer

-----Original Message-----
From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Fred Wurtzel
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:19 AM
To: 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream

Hi, 

Excellent points, Jim.  I think we consumers ought to help guide these
decisions.  We need to advise NLS on our preferences and then support
them to implement the development of services to accomplish the goals of
the model we choose.

Warm Regards,

Fred

-----Original Message-----
From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Jim Barbour
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:08 PM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream

Hey Fred,

So, I think this is why the cartridge solution exists.  People who
aren't computer literate, and just want to read books, won't be happy in
this beta project.  They'll be much happier using the NLS cartridge
solution.  They'll trade the convenience of getting their books quickly,
for the convenience of getting their books without having to touch a
computer.

I'm of two minds about making the current process 'easier" via better
automation or documentation.

On one hand, making this process easier would allow NLS to open the door
to more people who wish to download books, which would presumably mean
they'd need fewer people to load and mail cartridges.

On the other hand, lowering the barrier to entry will, no doubt,
generate a substantially larger customer support load for NLS.

So, the question is, can NLS support more users by loading books onto
cartridges for them, or by supporting users as they learn to use the
computer, USB ports, screen reader, web browser, windows explorer, etc.

Jim

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:55:13AM -0500, Fred Wurtzel wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> 
> It is probably a reflection on my lack of teaching skills, but I 
> encounter some  people who cannot easily grasp the complicated 
> relations between the internet, Windows file management, unpacking or 
> unzipping the book and the Victor file management structure.  You and 
> I understand this because we
have
> been doing it for years and have some aptitude or geekish interest in 
> this stuff.  Some people, believe it or not, have little interest in 
> the arcane process of computer systems and only want to listen to a 
> book.  They have spent $300 on the Stream and are frustrated because 
> they are having difficulty using it.  They sometimes feel humiliated 
> by their difficulty, which is not, in my opinion, their fault.
> 
> I would welcome a better way to present the technology that would work

> for people who are frustrated.  I am trying and feeling bad that I 
> cannot
always
> succeed.  As I said earlier, it is probably my lack of teaching skill,

> not the student.  All suggestions are welcome, jeering or not, but 
> beware, I bruise easily.  (smile)
> 
> Warm Regards,
> 
> Fred
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]

> On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:45 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream
> 
> With respect, I gently disagree with you; it isn't that hard.
> 
> That being said, if you download and install the Stream Companion 
> software, it's a bit easier.
> 
> Mike
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:57 AM
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream
> 
> 
> Hi all, I had used my victor stream in the beginning, but have stopped

> for a few months.  Only because I had such a hard time downloading and

> unzipping files, it was very complicated.  Has this since been easier 
> to do. I use the stream for other things, but to download books was a 
> big headache even when I contacted humanware, it was still rediculous.
> 
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Treasurer
> National Federation of the Blind
> Greater Long Island Chapter
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] New version of Olearia
> 
> 
> > Greg,
> > Will you let us know when we can get the program when it is out of 
> > beta?
> >
> >
> > On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Greg Kearney wrote:
> >
> > > We continue to make new beta versions of Olearia. The latest ada 
> > > preference option to open the last book played when you start 
> > > Olearia. It also fixes a few bugs as well.
> > >
> > > I will be working on some method of installing my launch script 
> > > unless someone at Apple can tell be a better way to do launching 
> > > of applications on disk insert.
> > >
> > > Olearia is a free, open source  DAISY digital talking book player 
> > > for Macintosh computers running MacOS X 10.5 or better. it can be 
> > > found at:
> > >
> > > http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia
> > >
> > > as well as MacUpdates and Google Code which also has the source 
> > > code for download.
> > >
> > > Greg Kearney
> > > Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology www.cucat.org
> > >
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