[Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream

Thu Nov 6 20:17:48 UTC 2008

With all this talk about the steps to load a book onto the stream I  
have decided to add installing from ZIP files to iStream. If we have  
Mac users out there who would like to test this drop me a line

Greg Kearney
Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology
www.cucat.org
gkearney at gmail.com

On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Fred Wurtzel wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Yes, it is truly awesome.  When I hear of a book that I wish to  
> read, and it
> is available on the download site, I can be reading it in a matter of
> minutes.  It is truly a great use of a computer.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk- 
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:48 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream
>
> Fred,
>
> I think that downloading books from the NLS program is an excellent  
> use
> for the computer.  This whole process has convinced me to learn  
> computer
> stuff I would have never otherwise learned.
>
> Pat maurer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Fred Wurtzel
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:19 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream
>
> Hi,
>
> Excellent points, Jim.  I think we consumers ought to help guide these
> decisions.  We need to advise NLS on our preferences and then support
> them to implement the development of services to accomplish the  
> goals of
> the model we choose.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Jim Barbour
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:08 PM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream
>
> Hey Fred,
>
> So, I think this is why the cartridge solution exists.  People who
> aren't computer literate, and just want to read books, won't be  
> happy in
> this beta project.  They'll be much happier using the NLS cartridge
> solution.  They'll trade the convenience of getting their books  
> quickly,
> for the convenience of getting their books without having to touch a
> computer.
>
> I'm of two minds about making the current process 'easier" via better
> automation or documentation.
>
> On one hand, making this process easier would allow NLS to open the  
> door
> to more people who wish to download books, which would presumably mean
> they'd need fewer people to load and mail cartridges.
>
> On the other hand, lowering the barrier to entry will, no doubt,
> generate a substantially larger customer support load for NLS.
>
> So, the question is, can NLS support more users by loading books onto
> cartridges for them, or by supporting users as they learn to use the
> computer, USB ports, screen reader, web browser, windows explorer,  
> etc.
>
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:55:13AM -0500, Fred Wurtzel wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> It is probably a reflection on my lack of teaching skills, but I
>> encounter some  people who cannot easily grasp the complicated
>> relations between the internet, Windows file management, unpacking or
>> unzipping the book and the Victor file management structure.  You and
>> I understand this because we
> have
>> been doing it for years and have some aptitude or geekish interest in
>> this stuff.  Some people, believe it or not, have little interest in
>> the arcane process of computer systems and only want to listen to a
>> book.  They have spent $300 on the Stream and are frustrated because
>> they are having difficulty using it.  They sometimes feel humiliated
>> by their difficulty, which is not, in my opinion, their fault.
>>
>> I would welcome a better way to present the technology that would  
>> work
>
>> for people who are frustrated.  I am trying and feeling bad that I
>> cannot
> always
>> succeed.  As I said earlier, it is probably my lack of teaching  
>> skill,
>
>> not the student.  All suggestions are welcome, jeering or not, but
>> beware, I bruise easily.  (smile)
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk- 
>> bounces at nfbnet.org]
>
>> On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:45 AM
>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream
>>
>> With respect, I gently disagree with you; it isn't that hard.
>>
>> That being said, if you download and install the Stream Companion
>> software, it's a bit easier.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:57 AM
>> Subject: [Dtb-talk] issues with using victor stream
>>
>>
>> Hi all, I had used my victor stream in the beginning, but have  
>> stopped
>
>> for a few months.  Only because I had such a hard time downloading  
>> and
>
>> unzipping files, it was very complicated.  Has this since been easier
>> to do. I use the stream for other things, but to download books was a
>> big headache even when I contacted humanware, it was still  
>> rediculous.
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> Treasurer
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> Greater Long Island Chapter
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] New version of Olearia
>>
>>
>>> Greg,
>>> Will you let us know when we can get the program when it is out of
>>> beta?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Greg Kearney wrote:
>>>
>>>> We continue to make new beta versions of Olearia. The latest ada
>>>> preference option to open the last book played when you start
>>>> Olearia. It also fixes a few bugs as well.
>>>>
>>>> I will be working on some method of installing my launch script
>>>> unless someone at Apple can tell be a better way to do launching
>>>> of applications on disk insert.
>>>>
>>>> Olearia is a free, open source  DAISY digital talking book player
>>>> for Macintosh computers running MacOS X 10.5 or better. it can be
>>>> found at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia
>>>>
>>>> as well as MacUpdates and Google Code which also has the source
>>>> code for download.
>>>>
>>>> Greg Kearney
>>>> Curtin University Centre for Accessible Technology www.cucat.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Dtb-talk mailing list
>>>> Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>> for Dtb-talk:
>>>>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org/louiemost%40wa
> veca
>> ble.com
>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dtb-talk mailing list
>>> Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> for
>>> Dtb-talk:
>>>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org/cherylandmaxx 
> %
> 40ho
>> tmail.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dtb-talk mailing list
>> Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Dtb-talk:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix 
> .
> com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dtb-talk mailing list
>> Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Dtb-talk:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org/f.wurtzel%40co
> mcas
>> t.net
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG.
>> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1766 - Release Date:
> 11/4/2008
>> 8:26 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dtb-talk mailing list
>> Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Dtb-talk:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org/jbar%40barcore
> .com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dtb-talk mailing list
> Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Dtb-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org/f.wurtzel%40co
> mcas
> t.net
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date:
> 11/5/2008
> 7:17 AM
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dtb-talk mailing list
> Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Dtb-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org/pmaurer%40nfb 
> .
> org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dtb-talk mailing list
> Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> Dtb-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org/f.wurtzel%40comcas
> t.net
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date:  
> 11/5/2008
> 7:17 AM
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dtb-talk mailing list
> Dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
> for Dtb-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/dtb-talk_nfbnet.org/gkearney%40gmail.com