[Dtb-talk] The Physical Cartridges themselves?

Greg Kearney gkearney at gmail.com
Sun Jul 31 00:23:58 UTC 2011 

We wrote an iPhone app DaisyWorm which can read the DAISY/NISO 2002 format which the NLS uses. We contacted the NLS and offered to make that software work with their books they never replied to us.

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Greg Kearney
Association for the Blind of Western Australia

On 31/07/2011, at 7:58 AM, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:

> No, no iphone player for NLS books.
> 
> Various rumors say that NLS might be working on something, but nobody
> knows if it's true nor when such a thing might be released.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 07:47:36PM -0400, Dornetta wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> I have been monitoring this convo for a while and would like to ask...does
>> NLS has a app for the iPhone?
>> I find that while enjoying books via the DTBM is a +, it becomes a nuisence
>> when travel is thrown into the mix. :-( I am saying that this is an "bad"
>> concept or thing but useing the VR Stream/DTBM vs. the iPhone allows for
>> more portibility. What a great concept if this was possible :-)
>> Netta
>> "Just because you are blind, does not mean you lack vision"-Stevie Wonder
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Evans" <evans-lynn at comcast.net>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] The Physical Cartridges themselves?
>> 
>> 
>>> I would think NLS has a few more patrons then you do Down Under.
>>> 
>>> Also you have a central location and NLS has regional libraries spread
>>> throughout the 50 states.
>>> 
>>> Not only are the cartridges right protected, according to my library here
>>> in Florida each cartridge with a book has the firmware on it for the NLS
>>> player.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:05 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] The Physical Cartridges themselves?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Well as I said we went a different rout here. We assigned the cartridge
>>>> to the user and not the book. We then developed software that reads the
>>>> unique serial number tied to each cartridge and then erases and lads
>>>> that users next set of books.
>>>> 
>>>> This achieves several things:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. No book is ever "put of stock" as we do not store copies on a self
>>>> but rather on a server.
>>>> 2. We need only about 2 cartridges per user this reducing the number of
>>>> cartridge required.
>>>> 3. We reduce the number of packages that go out in the mails by putting
>>>> several books on a drive.
>>>> 4. We no longer need a big room filled up with shelves for books.
>>>> 
>>>> As a result our drives are not write protected and as of yet that has
>>>> never been an issue for us.
>>>> 
>>>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>>>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>>>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA
>>>> 6100
>>>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>>>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>>>> Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
>>>> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 30/07/2011, at 11:50 AM, Lynn Evans wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Please allow me to chime or clang in on this subject.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The cartridges are indeed flash drives in a different form that is in
>>>>> a cartridge with a big finger hole on one end and the USB connector on
>>>>> the other end.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The cable used to connect a blank cartridge to the computer is a
>>>>> standard USB extension cable. The cable will be able to connect one
>>>>> end to the other end like a necklace. I have been told these cables
>>>>> can be found in the Dollar Store for you guessed it a dollar.
>>>>> 
>>>>> NLS did not choose to use flash drives or even smaller flash cards
>>>>> because of the dexterity issues that some patrons would have with
>>>>> working with small objects.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The use of a flash card reader along with a flash card is problematic
>>>>> at best. NLS has recommended during the BARD pilot phrase that flash
>>>>> cards not be used with the NLS digital players. Some may have reported
>>>>> some success in their use. Others have reported slow access of data
>>>>> transfer from card to player causing the player to loose its place in
>>>>> the book.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is a waist of human resources and librarian's time for them to sit
>>>>> at a computer all day erasing cartridges and then replacing the files
>>>>> with newly requested books from NLS patrons.   NLS has contracted with
>>>>> a company to load books, mass produce books and ship them out to our
>>>>> regional libraries. Like the audio cassettes the cartridges are kept
>>>>> in their blue shipping boxes ready to be pulled off the library
>>>>> shelves, affixed with the patron's address card and mailed out.   What
>>>>> would be the point of fixing the cartridges so they can not be erased
>>>>> only to have the librarians replace the books with other books on the
>>>>> same cartridge?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:18 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] The Physical Cartridges themselves?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It would be possible to build an SD card reader into the housing of
>>>>>> a NSL Drive. We have considered building such a thing but right now
>>>>>> the drives are less expensive and you have to have a really BIG
>>>>>> order to justify all the plastic production work.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>>>>>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>>>>>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park
>>>>>> WA 6100
>>>>>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>>>>>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>>>>>> Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
>>>>>> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 30/07/2011, at 1:31 AM, Eric SS wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Paul, good question. It would be interesting.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I was just wondering why the blank cartridges we can buy are
>>>>>>> limited to 1 or
>>>>>>> 2GB. Also, why couldn't there be an empty cartridge so that we
>>>>>>> could insert
>>>>>>> an SD card of whatever capacity.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Curious minds keep us from getting work done...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Eric SS
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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