[Dtb-talk] Failure deleting books from Victor Stream.

Wed Feb 6 22:22:53 UTC 2013

Why are you continually blaming the equipment? It may be perfectly fine but
certain file formats may not be easily interpreted.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dale
Leavens
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:56 PM
To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Failure deleting books from Victor Stream.

Fred,

Thanks for your response.

As an update to my original question, when I looked at the card with my 
computer I discovered that in one of the folders, the one for other books 
there was a folder with dozens of corrupt filenames in it with truly weird 
dates and huge file sizes reported. Clearly the directory entries were 
corrupted by some process. Windows Vista reported the filenames as being 
illegal and too long and they were filled with truly odd characters.

I Expect the unusually long start-up time and the other file I/O operations 
were the result of this. Windows couldn't erase the files either, the card 
had to be reformatted. This was a commercial CD of MP3 files which I had 
copied onto the Stream for my wife about 2 years ago, one of a series of 
books I thought could be archived there for listening to again in the 
future. We often buy books or get them as gifts then donate them on to our 
local public library.

It seems to me I had a similar problem a couple of years ago but my memory 
is a bit vague now on the details.

On one hand it is gratifying to know this is not an isolated event but on 
the other hand it is depressing to think that this equipment is so unstable.

I suppose Kindle users also have to deal with similar failures otherwise 
they wouldn't be so popular among sighted readers.

Dale Leavens.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred wurtzel" <f.wurtzel at comcast.net>
To: "'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Failure deleting books from Victor Stream.

> Hello,
>
> My wife, Mary, has a Victor Stream.  It does not delete books, we use the
> computer to clean up the card.  It does not matter which card we use, the
> effect is the same.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
> Andrews
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 1:05 AM
> To: Dale Leavens; Discussion of Digital Talking Books
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Failure deleting books from Victor Stream.
>
> No, I have not heard of such issues.  You might want to reformat your SD
> card.  The only thing I have found to increase startup time is a large
> number of books on my SD card.
>
> Dave
>
> At 10:42 PM 2/1/2013, you wrote:
>>Dan,
>>
>>I don't know what you are referring to as "Daily with Images". but I am
>>pretty sure I am not doing that.
>>
>>What we are doing is inserting CDs of DAISY talking books into the CD
>>drive they sell for the purpose and copying them into the SD card.
>>
>>So why can't I delete books?
>>
>>Further, it takes ages now for the Stream to initialize on power-up.
>>Surely that isn't expected behaviour? I deleted the books with a card
>>reader which would not go away under the Stream control but this delay
>>on start-up persists. Further, after having deleted the two offending
>>books we find that we cannot load new books onto the card using the
>>Victor's rather expensive disk drive.
>>
>>There is something very wrong with the software controlling this
>>device. Does no one else have similar issues?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Dale Leavens.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Hicks" <danjhicks at yahoo.com>
>>To: "'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 11:27 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Failure deleting books from Victor Stream.
>>
>>
>>If you are downloading Daily with Images, the images folder stays in
>>the folder and therefore the folder cannot be deleated.
>>
>>Other times, when there is no images folder, I notice than an empty
>>folder remains. This takes up virtually no space and does not cause
>>much of a problem. I just delete the empty folders, periodically.
>>
>>I call this a minor bug. If that is the worst thing I have to worry
>>about, I feel I am doing just fine. Hail Bookshare and Hail the Victor
> Reader Stream.
>>
>>
>>Dan Hicks
>>
>>No trees were harmed in the creation or distribution of this message.
>>However, many millions of electrons were severely inconvenienced.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dtb-talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>>Gilmore
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:46 PM
>>To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Failure deleting books from Victor Stream.
>>
>>I'm having a similar issue. I have no problem deleting NLS books. I hit
>>delete and the book is gone and doesn't show up on the SD card.
>>However, when I read a text file downloaded from bookshare, something
>>different happens. I delete the book and it no longer shows up in the
>>listing of documents; however, when I go onto the SD card itself, it's
>>still there and I have to use my laptop to delete the file. Why does
>>this happen with the bookshare stuff but not NLS?
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>--- On Wed, 1/30/13, Dan Burke <burke.dall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>From: Dan Burke <burke.dall at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] Failure deleting books from Victor Stream.
>>To: "Dale Leavens" <dleavens at puc.net>, "Discussion of Digital Talking
> Books"
>><dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:29 AM
>>
>>
>>Have you checked the little slider on the side of the card itself?
>>This will actually lock the card so that it cannot be written to, or
>>deleted from. It happens sometimes.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>On 1/30/13, Dale Leavens <dleavens at puc.net> wrote:
>>>Can anyone help with this issue?
>>>
>>>For some reason we cannot delete DAISY books from the SD card of our
>>>Victor Stream. When selecting this function Stream announces something
>>>like "delete denied". The files are not deleted. All other functions
>>>seem
>>to work.
>>>
>>>Obviously this is unacceptable. Why does this happen and how is it
>>>overcome?
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>Dale Leavens.
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>>
>>
>>--
>>Dan Burke, President
>>The National Federation of the Blind of Montana
>
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