[Electronics-talk] need help with accessible cell phones

Baracco, Andrew W Andrew.Baracco at va.gov
Mon Apr 19 16:10:34 UTC 2010 

There is an upgrade to the iPhone OS coming this summer, and one of the
new features will be support for Bluetooth keyboards, but I believe that
this will be for text entry only, and not screen navigation.

Andy


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[mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:43 AM
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] need help with accessible cell phones

I'm starting out with an IPhone 3gs and find it a bit frustrating to use

for now.  I think one thing that will help though is to use a full-sized

bluetooth keyboard with the phone though.  If there were some way to
find 
a key on the keyboard on the IPhone and hear it but just because you
hear 
it still prevent it from being typed I'd be in great shape by now. 
Though I did learn touch typing in 7th grade, I am what's termed a fat 
fingered typist.  Two things that will help IPhone use though are
keeping 
clean hands and the regular use of chemwipes to clean the screen.  Those

don't have any lint.On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Albert J Rizzi wrote:

> I am so interested in learning about which phones are best. Presently
I have
> Verizon as my phone carrier. Then too, I would like to learn about
> accessible  kitchen appliances  as well.
>
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>   1. Re: hd tv (Baracco, Andrew W)
>   2. Itunes / ipods (monty cassellius)
>   3. Re: ScripTalk (Susan Tabor)
>   4. Re: ScripTalk (Sandra Merrell)
>   5. Re: Itunes / ipods (Dhunthausen)
>   6. Re: Itunes / ipods (The BlindTechs Network)
>   7. Re: Itunes / ipods (SSommer126 at aol.com)
>   8. Re: Itunes / ipods (Jim Barbour)
>   9. Re: Itunes / ipods (SSommer126 at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:21:07 -0800
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] hd tv
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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> The main problem with these units is reception of DTV signal.  Because
> of the reduced bandwidth of DTV signals, and because broadcasters are
> using much less power to transmit these signals, as opposed to analog
> signals, it is unlikely that reception with an indoor antenna will be
> acceptable.  I have tried these units, as well as stand alone DTV
sets,
> all with unacceptable performance with an indoor antenna.  The only
> dependable way to receive DTV signals is with an outdoor antenna or
via
> cable or satellite broadcasting services.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:59 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] hd tv
>
> There is a special TV tuner that you can buy with an external antenna
> that
> you install through the media center of the computer. This is
generally
> accessible with your screen reading software although from what I
> understand
> sighted assistance is needed for the initial installation and
> configuration.
> The cost is about $100.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "richard payne" <rchpay7 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:14 AM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] hd tv
>
>
>> They tell me there is a way to control are change stations on the hd
> tv
>> using your computers could some one tell me how?
>>
>> Thanks Richard
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:55:16 -0600
> From: "monty cassellius" <isuredbirds at centurytel.net>
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Itunes / ipods
> To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Hello
> Any keyboard directions for itunes or is there something better to use
for
> getting ipods? Looking for anything related to sports ipods nfl mlb
nba nhl
> college football & basketball
> thanks
>
> Monty Cassellius
> 1518 Devney Drive
> Altoona WI 54720-2511
> (715) 514-1619
> isuredbirds at centurytel.net
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:36:05 -0600
> From: "Susan Tabor" <souljourner at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ScripTalk
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
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> Hi, George:
>
> That's also a great idea! Thanks for posting it. I'll look into it as
> well.--Susan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of George
Cassell
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:32 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ScripTalk
>
> The pharmacist still has to manually read the information into the
script
> talk container, which requires exhaustible power to operate.
>
> I would recommend using the Pen Friend, and having the pharmacist
dictate
> the information into the Pen Friend and it's related labels.  The
entire
> ensemble is less expensive, and far more flexible.
>
> Look into it.
>
> -- George
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Tabor" <souljourner at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:56 PM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] ScripTalk
>
>
> Good Evening, List!
>
>
>
> I have been reading some about ScripTalk, a prescription medication
> identifier and reader; a special tab is put on the bottle by the
pharmacist
> and it allows the person using the ScripTalk reader to read the
information
> on the bottle as well as any associated material concerning
instructions and
> side effects, etc.
>
>
>
> I heard that Walgreen's has piloted it and that they my be ready to
expand
> the areas that will have access to using this device. I think, though
I am
> not certain, that Walgreen's will purchase the readers which people
can use,
> rather than the user purchasing the reader him/herself, unless that is
> his/her preference.
>
>
>
> The ScripTalk reader costs $225 for the user's unit, and the pharmacy
by-in
> for the bar-code-type tagging system, etc. is $495. Anyone know
anything
> more about this? Thanks!
>
> Susan Tabor
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:43:32 -0600
> From: "Sandra Merrell" <sandra.merrell at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ScripTalk
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> Hi susan,
> Could you Describe to me what the pen friend is and how it works? My
email
> address is below my signature.  Thanks in advance.
>
> Sandra
>
> sandra at paulmerrell.net
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Tabor" <souljourner at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ScripTalk
>
>
>> Hi, George:
>>
>> That's also a great idea! Thanks for posting it. I'll look into it as
>> well.--Susan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of George
Cassell
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:32 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ScripTalk
>>
>> The pharmacist still has to manually read the information into the
script
>> talk container, which requires exhaustible power to operate.
>>
>> I would recommend using the Pen Friend, and having the pharmacist
dictate
>> the information into the Pen Friend and it's related labels.  The
entire
>> ensemble is less expensive, and far more flexible.
>>
>> Look into it.
>>
>> -- George
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Susan Tabor" <souljourner at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:56 PM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] ScripTalk
>>
>>
>> Good Evening, List!
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been reading some about ScripTalk, a prescription medication
>> identifier and reader; a special tab is put on the bottle by the
>> pharmacist
>> and it allows the person using the ScripTalk reader to read the
>> information
>> on the bottle as well as any associated material concerning
instructions
>> and
>> side effects, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> I heard that Walgreen's has piloted it and that they my be ready to
expand
>> the areas that will have access to using this device. I think, though
I am
>> not certain, that Walgreen's will purchase the readers which people
can
>> use,
>> rather than the user purchasing the reader him/herself, unless that
is
>> his/her preference.
>>
>>
>>
>> The ScripTalk reader costs $225 for the user's unit, and the pharmacy
>> by-in
>> for the bar-code-type tagging system, etc. is $495. Anyone know
anything
>> more about this? Thanks!
>>
>> Susan Tabor
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:04:17 -0800
> From: "Dhunthausen" <dhunthausen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Itunes / ipods
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> what do you mean sports ipods?
>
> Drew
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "monty cassellius" <isuredbirds at centurytel.net>
> To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:55 PM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Itunes / ipods
>
>
>> Hello
>> Any keyboard directions for itunes or is there something better to
use for
>> getting ipods? Looking for anything related to sports ipods nfl mlb
nba
>> nhl
>> college football & basketball
>> thanks
>>
>> Monty Cassellius
>> 1518 Devney Drive
>> Altoona WI 54720-2511
>> (715) 514-1619
>> isuredbirds at centurytel.net
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:27:06 -0700
> From: "The BlindTechs Network" <info at theblindtechsnetwork.com>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Itunes / ipods
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> I think he ment Podcasts.
>
>
> Gabe Vega
> CEO
> The BlindTechs Network
> A Devision of Commtech LLC
> 2942 N 24th Street
> Suite 114
> Phoenix, AZ 85016
> Phone (623) 565-9357
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of monty
cassellius
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:55 PM
> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Itunes / ipods
>
> Hello
> Any keyboard directions for itunes or is there something better to use
for
> getting ipods? Looking for anything related to sports ipods nfl mlb
nba nhl
> college football & basketball
> thanks
>
> Monty Cassellius
> 1518 Devney Drive
> Altoona WI 54720-2511
> (715) 514-1619
> isuredbirds at centurytel.net
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:30:59 EST
> From: SSommer126 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Itunes / ipods
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> Hello,
> Re: IPOD's
> Does anyone have the "talking IPOD?  I think it is called  Itouch?
> I am a bit chagrined to have to buy a new IPOD if I want the talking
> feature but I am curious how it works.
>
> Thank you Susan
>
>
> In a message dated 11/6/2009 7:27:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> info at theblindtechsnetwork.com writes:
>
> I think  he ment Podcasts.
>
>
> Gabe Vega
> CEO
> The BlindTechs Network
> A  Devision of Commtech LLC
> 2942 N 24th Street
> Suite 114
> Phoenix, AZ  85016
> Phone (623) 565-9357
> Fax (206) 338-2361
> -----Original  Message-----
> From:  electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of monty
cassellius
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:55  PM
> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Itunes /  ipods
>
> Hello
> Any keyboard directions for itunes or is there something  better to
use for
> getting ipods? Looking for anything related to sports  ipods nfl mlb
nba nhl
> college football &  basketball
> thanks
>
> Monty Cassellius
> 1518 Devney Drive
> Altoona  WI 54720-2511
> (715)  514-1619
> isuredbirds at centurytel.net
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:50:16 -0800
> From: Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Itunes / ipods
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
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> there are two "types" of talking ipods.
>
> One is the ipod nano.  This is mostly just a music player, and only
> the music player features are accessisble.  The nano is a dedicated
> music player.
>
> The ipod touch is the same as the iphone, without the phone.  That is,
> it has a touch screen, runs lots of applications and games, has a wifi
> connection, etc.
>
> I have the iphone, and find it easy enough to use, but a lot to learn
> if you just want a music player.
>
> I haven't played with the ipod nano.
>
> Jim
>
> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:30:59AM -0500, SSommer126 at aol.com wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Re: IPOD's
>> Does anyone have the "talking IPOD?  I think it is called  Itouch?
>> I am a bit chagrined to have to buy a new IPOD if I want the talking
>> feature but I am curious how it works.
>>
>> Thank you Susan
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/6/2009 7:27:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> info at theblindtechsnetwork.com writes:
>>
>> I think  he ment Podcasts.
>>
>>
>> Gabe Vega
>> CEO
>> The BlindTechs Network
>> A  Devision of Commtech LLC
>> 2942 N 24th Street
>> Suite 114
>> Phoenix, AZ  85016
>> Phone (623) 565-9357
>> Fax (206) 338-2361
>> -----Original  Message-----
>> From:  electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of monty
> cassellius
>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:55  PM
>> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Itunes /  ipods
>>
>> Hello
>> Any keyboard directions for itunes or is there something  better to
use
> for
>> getting ipods? Looking for anything related to sports  ipods nfl mlb
nba
> nhl
>> college football &  basketball
>> thanks
>>
>> Monty Cassellius
>> 1518 Devney Drive
>> Altoona  WI 54720-2511
>> (715)  514-1619
>> isuredbirds at centurytel.net
>>
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:27:33 EST
> From: SSommer126 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Itunes / ipods
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> Jim, Thank you for the ipod ino, the ipod nano sounds like what I
want.
> Susan
>
>
> In a message dated 11/6/2009 10:51:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jbar at barcore.com writes:
>
> there  are two "types" of talking ipods.
>
> One is the ipod nano.  This is  mostly just a music player, and only
> the music player features are  accessisble.  The nano is a dedicated
> music player.
>
> The ipod  touch is the same as the iphone, without the phone.  That
is,
> it has a  touch screen, runs lots of applications and games, has a
wifi
> connection,  etc.
>
> I have the iphone, and find it easy enough to use, but a lot to  learn
> if you just want a music player.
>
> I haven't played with the  ipod nano.
>
> Jim
>
> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:30:59AM -0500,  SSommer126 at aol.com wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Re: IPOD's
>> Does  anyone have the "talking IPOD?  I think it is called   Itouch?
>> I am a bit chagrined to have to buy a new IPOD if I want the  talking
>> feature but I am curious how it works.
>>
>> Thank you Susan
>>
>>
>> In a message  dated 11/6/2009 7:27:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>  info at theblindtechsnetwork.com writes:
>>
>> I think  he ment  Podcasts.
>>
>>
>> Gabe Vega
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>>  [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]  On Behalf Of monty
> cassellius
>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:55  PM
>> To:  electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Itunes /   ipods
>>
>> Hello
>> Any keyboard directions for itunes or is  there something  better to
use
> for
>> getting ipods? Looking for  anything related to sports  ipods nfl mlb
nba
> nhl
>> college  football &  basketball
>> thanks
>>
>> Monty  Cassellius
>> 1518 Devney Drive
>> Altoona  WI  54720-2511
>> (715)  514-1619
>>  isuredbirds at centurytel.net
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