[Electronics-talk] Mac, etc.

[cheez]

I don't know about other listers, but, personally, I don't want to see this 
list turn into a software troubleshooting list--which is bound to occur 
should questions associated with screen readers.
So let's try to inform each other about the accessibility of washers, 
dryers, TV's, DVD players, etc., instead of how to get JAWS or Window Eyes 
to stop reading all punctuation marks in a text.  I'm  sure there are sites 
specifically geared for those issues.
Vince

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac, etc.


> According to the list's web page, ....
>
> "This list is intended for the sharing of information about, and 
> discussion of the accessibility of various consumer electronics devices. 
> Sharing of information
> about, and discussion of MP3 players; cell phones and other telephones; 
> DVD players, receivers and other stereo and video components; satellite 
> and HD
> radios; and household appliances including microwaves, washers, dryers, 
> stoves, and the like; is appropriate and encouraged. With more and more 
> devices
> having inaccessible controls or displays, a place to share information and 
> experiences is needed. It is also hoped that this list will divert such 
> discussions
> from other NFB-sponsored lists, where it is not appropriate."
>
> "This list will also on occasion carry announcements and/or information of 
> importance to the NFB and its members and friends as a whole."
>
> I guess it's up for interpretation, but I don't consider a PC to be "a 
> consumer electronics device", and I'm OK with David--the moderator--making 
> that call. I joined this list to hear about accessible consumer 
> electronics, and I'll join other lists to talk about PC's.
>
> Since David's post isn't included in the thread below, and I didn't bother 
> to keep it, I can't speak to whether it could have been more polite with 
> more please's and thank you's, but I don't recall seeing anything from 
> David that was particularly rude. In general, I find David can be a it 
> terse and to the point at times, but he almost always directs people to 
> other sources of information when they're straying off topic. I also don't 
> think he clamps down on off topic posts too quickly, which is good for a 
> general purpose list like this. In conclusion, I've seen much worse 
> moderators who were either too heavy handed or went to the other extreme 
> and let the list deteriorate into off topic threads and flame wars.
>
> I Do wonder what a list moderator can do to moderate the list without 
> opening themselves up and the rest of the list to this debate and 
> discussion every time they step in as the list moderator though. For my 
> part, I'm happy letting David moderate his own list.
>
> If this list is less cordial than other lists, I don't think it's the 
> fault of the moderator. A moderator can only do so much to enforce 
> civility on a list. I don't think we have anyone to blame but ourselves.
>
> --
>
> Christopher
> chaltain at gmail.com
>
>
> On 8/21/2010 7:53 AM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>> Are you saying that a computer is not an electronic device??  That is 
>> ridiculous.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Werner" 
>> <craig_werner at verizon.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac, etc.
>>
>>
>>> Twenty-four years of online experience teaches me that sending "I agree"
>>> messages are poor etiquette, but I'm going to post one anyway.
>>>
>>> I agree with Peter:  I suggest that an occasional foray into discussion
>>> of computers is not uncalled for.  If this were a high-volume list, and
>>> if such messages proliferated, then I would probably change my mind.
>>> However, as matters with this list stand now, I fail to see the harm or
>>> inconvenience caused by well-meaning posts such as those Ray has sent
>>> out about the Mac.  In fact, they are potentially instructive and 
>>> helpfull.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> On 8/21/2010 5:31 AM, Peter Rabaioli wrote:
>>>> With notable exceptions, there is a lack of cordiality in general by 
>>>> the
>>>> participants on this list.  Ray was kind enough to answer a couple of
>>>> questions about using a Mac as a happy user of such a device, which, to 
>>>> me
>>>> is an electronic device.  Perhaps keeping bafoons such as  Dewey's 
>>>> rants off
>>>> the air, would be more in line in the role  of the list moderator, than
>>>> deciding weather, or not a computer is a part of tech gear. Thank you 
>>>> for
>>>> the suggestion for looking at another list for computer use.    I've 
>>>> seen
>>>> much more  off topic items listed here.   A few more please and thank 
>>>> you's
>>>> would lift the general level of communication here.  Just my humble 
>>>> opinion.
>>>> All the best, and, thanks again to Ray.  Best, Peter
>>
>
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