[Electronics-talk] possibly waive charges? Accessible Android E-Mail and Barcode Reader Available

Thu Jul 8 16:52:55 UTC 2010

2 questions

Are these people being paid?  I would think that would have a lot to do with
it.

The other is can we get the droid and use for my computer uses and phone,
yet not pay for and use the internet or data monthly charges of $30 cause
not fully accessible?  Assume this is waived, then I assume, could never
update?

Thanks in advance
tom

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Barbour
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:24 AM
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Android E-Mail and Barcode Reader
Available

Actually, in many ways, open source is a free for all.

There are ways to bring order to the open source chaos, but they
require thought leaders to step up and outline best practices,
developer guidelines, documentation, etc  These thought leaders *can*
also take control of the process of checking in changes to open source
projects.  However, this can just mean that an alternate group can tak
ethe code, and staqt a new project.

I have not seen strong thought leaders step up yet in the android
accessibility space yet.  there are several talented programmers, but
no impactful thought leadership.

Jim

On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 07:49:07AM -0700, Tom Evans wrote:
> Thanks for the good answer.
> 
> I would assume that it would have to be pros making the changes.  Are they
> paid?  And what happens if there are differences in the direction?  One
> wants it to do this, which may violate what the other one has done.  it
> seems like a free for all, but it is more regulated then that.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
> Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:12 PM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Android E-Mail and Barcode
Reader
> Available
> 
> Open source typically means that the source code is available to the
public;
> contributions are encouraged and any use of the open source software has
to
> in turn be open source. This provides a fantastic opportunity, especially
> where accessibility is concerned, since anyone could go in and make the
> changes needed for an application to become more accessible.
> 
> Open source applications and development also have some challenges. the
most
> successful open source projects are those with a passionate community
behind
> them. Many open source projects fade away because they lose the driving
> force behind them. Not every community is going to have members who are
> committed to accessibility, and accessibility advocates may have trouble
> getting the community to adopt standards and conventions necessary for an
> application to be accessible. Remember too that laws like the
Rehabilitation
> Act in the US aren't going to have much influence over a free open source
> application, since it won't stand to lose much revenue in government
sales.
> 
> Although there's a lot of reason to be optimistic that open source
> environments will lead to greater accessibility, it's not a given that
just
> because the Android screen readers are open source the Android platform
will
> be as accessible as the iPhone, Symbian or Windows Mobile platforms.
> Remember that open source operating systems and applications have been
> around for a while and they aren't automatically the most popular and
> accessible applications.
> 
> --
> Christopher
> chaltain at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tom Evans
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:40 PM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Android E-Mailand BarcodeReader
> Available
> 
> So there is not really a deadline of when this is as accessible as an
> iphone?  May be better than an iphone one day is your thought?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew
W
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:00 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Android E-Mailand BarcodeReader
> Available
> 
> It's supposed to stimulate creativity, independent thinking, thinking
> out of the box, etc.
> Andy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tom Evans
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Android E-Mailand
> BarcodeReader Available
> 
> Not sure what you mean by open source.  How can it be near as good, if
> no
> standardization?  They free lance and maybe come up with something
> better?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Baracco,
> Andrew W
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:59 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Android E-Mail and
> BarcodeReader
> Available
> 
> That's the downside to open source.  There is a lot of potential, but no
> real accountability. And, no standardization. At least there is some
> accountability to Microsoft if you are developing for the Windows
> platform, or to Apple if you are developing for the Mac or iPhone.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tom Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:51 PM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Android E-Mail and
> BarcodeReader Available
> 
> They use the word developing, so that means the video magnifier and web
> browser are not here and no date.
> Did I read that accurately?  So how do you use the web or just wait?
> 
> What is here is the email and bar code reader.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 1:55 PM
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Android E-Mail and Barcode Reader
> Available
> 
> 
> >
> >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> >
> >Contact: Steve Jacobs
> >Phone: (614) 777-0660
> >E-Mail: steve.jacobs at ideal-group.org
> >
> >Accessible Android E-Mail and Barcode Reader Available
> >
> >Open Source, Android Applications Released in 
> >Support of Raising the Floor, Reducing the Cost, 
> >and Leveling the Playing Field for Individuals with Disabilities
> >
> >HILLIARD, OH July 6, 2010 - IDEAL Group 
> >Apps4Android, Inc. announced today the release 
> >of the first Android e-mail reader for the 
> >blind. The IDEAL K9 E-MailR reader is accessible 
> >using Google's Talkback and other Android 
> >screenreaders. Also announced was the release of 
> >IDEAL Item IdentifierR, an Android-based barcode 
> >reader. The barcode reader makes it possible to 
> >quickly, easily, and accurately identify 
> >products by using Android smartphones to read 
> >barcodes on standard products. Both applications 
> >have been open-sourced in support of the Raising 
> >the Floor Initiative. http://raisingthefloor.net/
> >
> >According to Steve Jacobs the President of IDEAL 
> >Group, "Given the efforts Google has put into 
> >Android, especially the work of their Eyes-Free 
> >Project team, we are convinced that Google is 
> >committed to making Android a world-class fully 
> >accessible platform and we want to help Google get there faster."
> >
> >IDEAL is also developing an open source Android 
> >web browser for the blind. In addition, IDEAL is 
> >developing an open source video magnification 
> >application that enables individuals with low 
> >vision to turn their Android smartphones into hand-held video
> magnifiers.
> >
> >Given the high cost of dedicated devices that 
> >serve these purposes today, Jacobs hopes these 
> >free, high-quality open source Android 
> >applications will be Raising the Floor of 
> >opportunities for individuals with print disabilities.
> >
> >Jacobs further stated, "While we plan to develop 
> >accessible applications for other platforms in 
> >the future, we love the openness of Android. It 
> >makes it easy for developers to figure out how 
> >programs function and has enabled us to innovate 
> >much more rapidly and easily than on any other platform."
> >
> >About IDEAL Group Apps4Android:
> >
> >Apps4Android, Inc. is dedicated to developing 
> >low/no-cost, high-quality, Android applications 
> >that enhance the quality-of-life, independence, 
> >quality of education, and employability of 
> >individuals with disabilities... and everyone 
> >else! Apps4Android is the world's largest 
> >developer of speech-enabled Android applications 
> >in the world with 750,000+ active users in 47 countries. For more
> information:
> >http://apps4android.org/
> >
> >About Raising the Floor (RtF):
> >
> >Raising the Floor is an international consortium 
> >of organizations and individuals focused on 
> >ensuring that people experiencing disabilities, 
> >literacy problems, or the effects of aging are 
> >able to access and use all of the information, 
> >resources, services, and communities available 
> >on or through the Web. Of particular concern are 
> >those with limited or no resources. For more information:
> >http://raisingthefloor.net/about
> >
> >###
> >
> >This work is supported in part with funds from 
> >the National Institute on Disability and 
> >Rehabilitation Research, U.S. Department of 
> >Education, grant number H133E080022 to the 
> >University of Wisconsin Trace R&D Center. Users 
> >of IDEAL K9 E-MailR and IDEAL Item IdentifierR 
> >should not assume endorsement by either the 
> >Department of Education or the federal government.
> >
> 
>          David Andrews and long white cane Harry, dandrews at visi.com
> Follow me on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
> 
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