[Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones with Verison
Renee Jones
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> 1. Re: Accessible Phones for Verizon (Evelyn Weckerly)
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> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:50:40 -0400
> From: Evelyn Weckerly <weckerly at i2k.com>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
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> Hi, Jim and list,
>
> I'm so long answering this because I went out of town for more than
> two weeks. Just before going, I stopped at the Verizon wireless store
> and asked some questions. They confirmed that the reception
> capability of the Haven is not as good as my 8350 overall. I suspecgt
> that I would have had some trouble with it while I was visiting
> friends in rural Texas because reception was a bit iffy at my
> friends' as it was. I have also had reception trouble in the past at
> NFB conventions in Dallas though that's improved lately.
>
> Yes, I know reception can vary. My sister and brother-in-law had
> terrible reception before they changed to Verizon wireless. On the
> other hand, some friends had bad reception at their home before
> leaving Verizon for another company.
>
> I'm not much concerned about reception here locally; ragther, it's
> when I'm traveling. If I try the phone and don't travel anywhere
> problematic, I could regret it down the road. I'm not especially
> happy with the phone I have even for just making calls, so I would
> welcome a change--but not yet.
>
> Evelyn
>
> At 11:34 PM 9/8/2010, you wrote:
>>Hello Evelyn and list,
>>
>>This business of signal strength is relative! There really isn't a
>>standard as far as I can tell! How the signal is measured varies
>>from phone to phone! Both the Haven and my LG VX5300 show a maximum
>>signal strength of four. One can get quite a bit of signal at the
>>zero point or even at 2 the halfway mark! My old 4650 had a maximum
>>reading of six! I do have reception problems in my basement at
>>times but it is no worse than my old LG VX5300. The advantage of
>>the Haven is it usually tells me when I'm out of service or when I'm
>>back in service again! I might move a few inches before I'm out of
>>service and back in again! The antenna sticks out on the 5300 but
>>one doesn't see it on the Haven! I find the signal quality to be
>>better on the Haven. I understand that the 8300 series phones had
>>exceptional reception and they may be hard to beat! I haven't used
>>one myself so can't comment! I can say one thing though! the
>>accessibility is so much better than anything I have used to
>>date! I downloaded seven ringtones today! I never did this
>>before! I even made one myself which worked in this phone but I
>>didn't keep it! Believe me! This Haven is an amazing phone! Try
>>it for thirty days and if you don't like it, return to Verizon and
>>go back to your 8300.
>>
>>This Haven phone is well worth the money!
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn Weckerly" <weckerly at i2k.com>
>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:02 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>There is a price though. I stopped at a Verizon Wireless store
>>>yesterday and asked about its reception quality as compared to my
>>>three-year-old LG 8350.
>>>the man said that the Haven's reception is lower quality. I have
>>>decided that I will not pay that price. I know enough people who
>>>have reception problems with their phones. I've had a few, but I
>>>don't want an increase there. When Verizon and Samsung improve the
>>>reception quality, I'll be a lot more interested.
>>>
>>>I listened to Mike Barber's podcast. In it he mentioned that in his
>>>basement where he was making the recording, the Haven's reception
>>>wsas zero bars. No thanks.
>>>
>>>Evelyn
>>>
>>>At 12:50 PM 9/8/2010, you wrote:
>>>>Verizon now has the Samsung Haven! It reads all levels of
>>>>menus. It is a basic phone, no qwerty keyboard, can text
>>>>message. For now, this is what they have going!
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell"
>>>> <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:48 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Does verizon even have any model of accessible cell phone on the
>>>>>market where users have access to all levels of menus? Whenever
>>>>>I had a Verizon phone in the past, I could only go down just so
>>>>>far on menu levels and then the accessibility stopped; there was
>>>>>no speech or menu choices beyond that point. Another problem
>>>>>with verizon phones I had was no useable apps for the phones that
>>>>>were accessible either. This was also true for AT&T phones until
>>>>>I got my IPhone 3gs then all of those problems went away. Best
>>>>>money I ever spent on a cell phone in my life!On Fri, 16 Apr
>>>>>2010, Gail The U. S. Male, Proud Grandpa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. the Nokia N82
>>>>>>is a gsm phone, not a CDMA.
>>>>>>Gail
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 5:33 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Nokia N82 phones we have is currently subscribed to AT&T
>>>>>>>Mobile. The N82
>>>>>>>is an unlocked CDMA 3G phone which is compatible with two mobile phone
>>>>>>>carriers, of which the other is T-Mobile.
>>>>>>>HTH
>>>>>>>Rob Tabor
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Dreicer, Zachary, Survey" <z.dreicer at emissives.com>
>>>>>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics andappliances"
>>>>>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:08 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>By the way what company are you using on your phone N82 that you
>>>>>>>demonstrated last weekend?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Haro, Juan, CFB" <Juan.Haro at state.nm.us
>>>>>>>>To: "Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>,"Discussion of
>>>>>>>accessible electronics and
>>>>>>>appliances"<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Date sent: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:45:31 -0600
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I believe that Talks does not work on Windows Mobile but Mobile
>>>>>>>Speak does. Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Juan F. Haro, M.A., NOMCT
>>>>>>>>Cane Travel Instructor
>>>>>>>>Commission for the Blind
>>>>>>>>408 N. White Sands Blvd.
>>>>>>>>Alamogordo, NM 88310
>>>>>>>>Phone: (575) 437-0401
>>>>>>>>Email: juan.haro at state.nm.us
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>[mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob
>>>>>>>Tabor
>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:49 PM
>>>>>>>>To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>Subject: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dear colleagues.
>>>>>>>>My employer is considering changing mobile phone carriers to
>>>>>>>Verizon in an effort to save telecom expense in our tight budget.
>>>>>>>Luckily, our executive director is very conscientious in
>>>>>>>considering my needs for accessibility, which prompts my
>>>>>>>question. Can anyone commend a good accessible phone,
>>>>>>>preferrably one that runs Talks, since I use Talks as the screen
>>>>>>>reader for my personal phone which is a Nokia N82? I understand
>>>>>>>LG has several models keyed to Verizon's communication relay
>>>>>>>towers. If we end up electing to take phones running Windows
>>>>>>>Mobile instead of Simbian OS will Talks run on a Win Mobile
>>>>>>>phone? Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>Rob Tabor
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:22:24 -0400
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
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> Dear Evelyn,
>
> The reception of the phone is not the issue here, it it the coverage area of
> the cell phone companies service towers. If the cell company has poor
> coverage, the phone just can not get the signal. The phone is always going
> to do it's best to get the signal, but it is the company's coverage that is
> the real limiting factor.
> it also depends on the cooperation between companies that share towers and
> service areas. This can make a difference too. If your company does not
> have good coverage in that area, it will not matter who's phone you are
> using.
> I an using the other accessible phone from Verizon called the "Gusto".
>
> All of the features are accessible to and the phone also has a camera and
> can do text messages and the internet as well as has a G.P.S. application
> you can get that is accessible too.
>
> David Evans, NFB and GD Jack.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Evelyn Weckerly" <weckerly at i2k.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>
>
>> Hi, Jim and list,
>>
>> I'm so long answering this because I went out of town for more than two
>> weeks. Just before going, I stopped at the Verizon wireless store and
>> asked some questions. They confirmed that the reception capability of the
>> Haven is not as good as my 8350 overall. I suspecgt that I would have had
>> some trouble with it while I was visiting friends in rural Texas because
>> reception was a bit iffy at my friends' as it was. I have also had
>> reception trouble in the past at NFB conventions in Dallas though that's
>> improved lately.
>>
>> Yes, I know reception can vary. My sister and brother-in-law had terrible
>> reception before they changed to Verizon wireless. On the other hand, some
>>
>> friends had bad reception at their home before leaving Verizon for another
>>
>> company.
>>
>> I'm not much concerned about reception here locally; ragther, it's when
>> I'm traveling. If I try the phone and don't travel anywhere problematic, I
>>
>> could regret it down the road. I'm not especially happy with the phone I
>> have even for just making calls, so I would welcome a change--but not yet.
>>
>> Evelyn
>>
>> At 11:34 PM 9/8/2010, you wrote:
>>>Hello Evelyn and list,
>>>
>>>This business of signal strength is relative! There really isn't a
>>>standard as far as I can tell! How the signal is measured varies from
>>>phone to phone! Both the Haven and my LG VX5300 show a maximum signal
>>>strength of four. One can get quite a bit of signal at the zero point or
>>>even at 2 the halfway mark! My old 4650 had a maximum reading of six! I
>>>do have reception problems in my basement at times but it is no worse than
>>>
>>>my old LG VX5300. The advantage of the Haven is it usually tells me when
>>>I'm out of service or when I'm back in service again! I might move a few
>>>inches before I'm out of service and back in again! The antenna sticks out
>>>
>>>on the 5300 but one doesn't see it on the Haven! I find the signal
>>>quality to be better on the Haven. I understand that the 8300 series
>>>phones had exceptional reception and they may be hard to beat! I haven't
>>>used one myself so can't comment! I can say one thing though! the
>>>accessibility is so much better than anything I have used to date! I
>>>downloaded seven ringtones today! I never did this before! I even made
>>>one myself which worked in this phone but I didn't keep it! Believe me!
>>>This Haven is an amazing phone! Try it for thirty days and if you don't
>>>like it, return to Verizon and go back to your 8300.
>>>
>>>This Haven phone is well worth the money!
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn Weckerly" <weckerly at i2k.com>
>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:02 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>There is a price though. I stopped at a Verizon Wireless store yesterday
>>>>and asked about its reception quality as compared to my three-year-old LG
>>>>
>>>>8350.
>>>>the man said that the Haven's reception is lower quality. I have decided
>>>>that I will not pay that price. I know enough people who have reception
>>>>problems with their phones. I've had a few, but I don't want an increase
>>>>there. When Verizon and Samsung improve the reception quality, I'll be a
>>>>lot more interested.
>>>>
>>>>I listened to Mike Barber's podcast. In it he mentioned that in his
>>>>basement where he was making the recording, the Haven's reception wsas
>>>>zero bars. No thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Evelyn
>>>>
>>>>At 12:50 PM 9/8/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>Verizon now has the Samsung Haven! It reads all levels of menus. It is
>>>>>
>>>>>a basic phone, no qwerty keyboard, can text message. For now, this is
>>>>>what they have going!
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell"
>>>>><jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:48 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Does verizon even have any model of accessible cell phone on the market
>>>>>>
>>>>>>where users have access to all levels of menus? Whenever I had a
>>>>>>Verizon phone in the past, I could only go down just so far on menu
>>>>>>levels and then the accessibility stopped; there was no speech or menu
>>>>>>choices beyond that point. Another problem with verizon phones I had
>>>>>>was no useable apps for the phones that were accessible either. This
>>>>>>was also true for AT&T phones until I got my IPhone 3gs then all of
>>>>>>those problems went away. Best money I ever spent on a cell phone in my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>life!On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Gail The U. S. Male, Proud Grandpa wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. the Nokia N82 is a
>>>>>>>gsm phone, not a CDMA.
>>>>>>>Gail
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 5:33 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Nokia N82 phones we have is currently subscribed to AT&T Mobile.
>>>>>>>>The N82
>>>>>>>>is an unlocked CDMA 3G phone which is compatible with two mobile
>>>>>>>>phone
>>>>>>>>carriers, of which the other is T-Mobile.
>>>>>>>>HTH
>>>>>>>>Rob Tabor
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Dreicer, Zachary, Survey" <z.dreicer at emissives.com>
>>>>>>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics andappliances"
>>>>>>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:08 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>By the way what company are you using on your phone N82 that you
>>>>>>>>demonstrated last weekend?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Haro, Juan, CFB" <Juan.Haro at state.nm.us
>>>>>>>>>To: "Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>,"Discussion of
>>>>>>>>accessible electronics and
>>>>>>>>appliances"<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:45:31 -0600
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I believe that Talks does not work on Windows Mobile but Mobile
>>>>>>>>Speak does. Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Juan F. Haro, M.A., NOMCT
>>>>>>>>>Cane Travel Instructor
>>>>>>>>>Commission for the Blind
>>>>>>>>>408 N. White Sands Blvd.
>>>>>>>>>Alamogordo, NM 88310
>>>>>>>>>Phone: (575) 437-0401
>>>>>>>>>Email: juan.haro at state.nm.us
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>[mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob
>>>>>>>>Tabor
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:49 PM
>>>>>>>>>To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>>Subject: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Phones for Verizon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Dear colleagues.
>>>>>>>>>My employer is considering changing mobile phone carriers to
>>>>>>>>Verizon in an effort to save telecom expense in our tight budget.
>>>>>>>>Luckily, our executive director is very conscientious in
>>>>>>>>considering my needs for accessibility, which prompts my
>>>>>>>>question. Can anyone commend a good accessible phone,
>>>>>>>>preferrably one that runs Talks, since I use Talks as the screen
>>>>>>>>reader for my personal phone which is a Nokia N82? I understand
>>>>>>>>LG has several models keyed to Verizon's communication relay
>>>>>>>>towers. If we end up electing to take phones running Windows
>>>>>>>>Mobile instead of Simbian OS will Talks run on a Win Mobile
>>>>>>>>phone? Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>Rob Tabor
>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>Electronics-talk mailing list
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>>>>>>>>Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please
>>>>>>>>contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message --
>>>>>>>>This email has been scanned by the Sybari - Antigen Email System.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Oh boy! I thought the Haven sounded so good. Damn, why did the have to
screw you over with poor reseption?
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