[Electronics-talk] tv's

Sun Apr 15 22:15:50 UTC 2012

it depends if they want our money or not.  My money is as good as anyone 
else's.  Every sale makes a difference to them.
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From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
        To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's


>
> The problem with these accessibility initiatives is that they lack real 
> substance.  What if a manufacture refuses to abide by the law and make 
> their electronic products blind accessible?  Are their executives going to 
> be aggressivley prosecuted and thrown in jail?  Of course not.  Their 
> companies will merely be forced to pay nominal fines and go about their 
> business. Nobody in this country has ever served jail time for violating 
> the ADA, so why should blind consumers expect electronic products to 
> become more accessible just because some weak legislation mandates it? 
> The blindness advocacy organizations love to pat themselves on the back 
> for getting such legislation passed, but when it comes to enforcing it, 
> they have been largely ineffective.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 3:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
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>
>> My understanding of this thread is that you're screwed if you're a blind
>> TV watcher in the US because:
>> * Americans aren't as creative as they used to be.
>> * American corporations put profit ahead of solving public problems,
>> unlike corporations elsewhere in the world.
>> * More and more TV's are coming from Chinese companies now, who don't
>> care about American consumers and who don't care about making accessible
>> products.
>>
>> Note that I don't agree with any of the above, and I'd rather not see
>> such political and unfounded statements made on a list intended to talk
>> about the accessibility of consumer electronics, although I understand
>> everyone has an opinion and the right to voice it. I also don't agree
>> with the implication that we're living in a time that's so bleak or
>> hopeless for the blind TV watcher. Technology and legislation is in
>> place now where we could see a dramatic increase in the accessibility of
>> smart TV's and advanced set top boxes. Of course, we won't see these
>> improvements if we just assume that it's hopeless and don't even try.
>>
>> On 15/04/12 12:46, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>> I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do 
>>> with tvs or electronics?
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>>> of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute.  The only
>>>> reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>>> investigations.  Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>>> actually going to get prosecuted.  I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>>>> zero.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say 
>>>>> the
>>>>> US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because 
>>>>> with
>>>>> businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell 
>>>>> and
>>>>> less important to determine where creativity comes from 
>>>>> geographically.
>>>>> With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>>>> UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come 
>>>>> from
>>>>> somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>>>> don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations 
>>>>> was
>>>>> solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>>>> revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>>>> corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to 
>>>>> their
>>>>> close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>>>> corporations were so business focused, and their links to the 
>>>>> government
>>>>> were kept tenuous.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I 
>>>>> suspect
>>>>> that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>>>> corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a 
>>>>> monopoly
>>>>> on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>>>> economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>>>> engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>> Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this 
>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>> In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> chartered to solve public problems.  Enriching investors was a third
>>>>>> priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves.  The 
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>>>>> corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors.  Go
>>>>>> figure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AT LEAST A START.  I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER DEVICES 
>>>>>>> AS IT IS
>>>>>>> SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U S 
>>>>>>> HAS LOST
>>>>>>> ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>>>>>> THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>>>>>> <deniserob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>>>>>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews/Pages/talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>>>>>>> <timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater 
>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>>>> with them?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>>> <http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>>>
>>>>
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