[Electronics-talk] Electronics-talk Digest, Vol 72, Issue 15
Jennifer Perdue
jlperdue3 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 17 19:48:13 UTC 2012
Thanks for the information.
My husbands contract ends already and mine ends in August, so I could care less if I just drop it. I can get a better deal period on both lines with T Mobile spending 100 dollars less per months versus AT&T. The only thing that will stink is that I'd have to pay for that code factory thing, but I'm getting the phones for free and I'm going to be the only one using the one phone so I'll only have to pay for it once.
Jenny
On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:37 PM, PATRICK GORMLEY wrote:
> first of all is your contract about to expire? If not, you're probably going to pay a $200 or so early termination fee to do that and that doesn't make sense because you're paying two carriers when one is expensive enough. The answer to the second part of your question is that there are 3 apps you need for an android phone talk back call back and check back all of which are free. The other app you need is from code factory and is $99 and that gives you access to the contact list battery istatus and call log.
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>> 1. ccrtv and scanner (Mary Ann Sears)
>> 2. Re: ccrtv and scanner (beverly heninger)
>> 3. Question about android phones (Jennifer Perdue)
>> 4. Re: Question about android phones (Tony Sohl)
>> 5. Re: Question about android phones (Gabe Vega)
>> 6. Re: Question about android phones (Jennifer Perdue)
>> 7. Re: Question about android phones (Jennifer Perdue)
>> 8. Re: Question about android phones (Gabe Vega)
>> 9. Re: Question about android phones (Jennifer Perdue)
>> 10. Re: Question about android phones (Jacob Struiksma)
>> 11. Re: Electronics-talk Digest, Accessible tvs (Chelsey Duranleau )
>> 12. Re: Question about android phones (Jennifer Perdue)
>> 13. Re: Question about android phones (James Aldrich)
>> 14. FYI, ATTENTION ANDROID CELL PHONE USERS..... (Beverly Hunter)
>> 15. Re: Question about android phones (Jennifer Perdue)
>> 16. Re: FYI, ATTENTION ANDROID CELL PHONE USERS..... (Jennifer Perdue)
>> 17. Re: FYI, ATTENTION ANDROID CELL PHONE USERS..... (Beverly Hunter)
>> 18. Re: FYI, ATTENTION ANDROID CELL PHONE USERS..... (Jennifer Perdue)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:39:39 -0500
>> From: "Mary Ann Sears" <maryannsears1972 at gmail.com>
>> To: <Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] ccrtv and scanner
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>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling these
>> two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list thanks.
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:44:15 -0700
>> From: "beverly heninger" <bevie.k at comcast.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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>> What two items, I do not see any listed.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Mary Ann Sears" <maryannsears1972 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:39 PM
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>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling
>>> these
>>> two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list thanks.
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>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:00:35 -0500
>> From: Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to switch to t mobile and they offer free android phones with activation with the NFB discount. The only thing is, They say that they have the ability to do things by voice activation and there is an app you can download that will make it text to speech enabled.
>>
>> could someone please tell me if I should try it.
>>
>> My 3GS is running so slow with the 5.1 upgrade that it's beyond irritating.
>>
>> All I need to use on a phone is the contacts, calendar, texting, and email.
>>
>> Some advice would be helpful please.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mary Ann Sears wrote:
>>
>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling these
>>> two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list thanks.
>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:03:26 -0700
>> From: "Tony Sohl" <tonysohl at cox.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
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>> well no i would go with cricket the samson vitality works pretty well
>> becuase my friend rita burbar has one.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:00 PM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to switch to t mobile and they offer free android phones with
>>> activation with the NFB discount. The only thing is, They say that they
>>> have the ability to do things by voice activation and there is an app you
>>> can download that will make it text to speech enabled.
>>>
>>> could someone please tell me if I should try it.
>>>
>>> My 3GS is running so slow with the 5.1 upgrade that it's beyond
>>> irritating.
>>>
>>> All I need to use on a phone is the contacts, calendar, texting, and
>>> email.
>>>
>>> Some advice would be helpful please.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mary Ann Sears wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling
>>>> these
>>>> two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list thanks.
>>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:09:44 -0700
>> From: Gabe Vega <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>> To: Tony Sohl <tonysohl at cox.net>, Discussion of accessible electronics
>> and appliances <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>> Message-ID: <6A5E88C9-48B2-4F48-9259-C46FE3208588 at gmail.com>
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>> also turn on "use compact voice" and you should see a dramatic speed increase. it might take rebooting the phone once, after turning on the "Use compact voice" option but you should see a deffinet speed bump.
>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
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>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Tony Sohl wrote:
>>
>>> well no i would go with cricket the samson vitality works pretty well becuase my friend rita burbar has one.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to switch to t mobile and they offer free android phones with activation with the NFB discount. The only thing is, They say that they have the ability to do things by voice activation and there is an app you can download that will make it text to speech enabled.
>>>>
>>>> could someone please tell me if I should try it.
>>>>
>>>> My 3GS is running so slow with the 5.1 upgrade that it's beyond irritating.
>>>>
>>>> All I need to use on a phone is the contacts, calendar, texting, and email.
>>>>
>>>> Some advice would be helpful please.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mary Ann Sears wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling these
>>>>> two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list thanks.
>>>>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:18:54 -0500
>> From: Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: Tony Sohl <tonysohl at cox.net>, Discussion of accessible electronics
>> and appliances <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
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>> What is Cricket?
>>
>> thanks again for your patience,
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Tony Sohl wrote:
>>
>>> well no i would go with cricket the samson vitality works pretty well becuase my friend rita burbar has one.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to switch to t mobile and they offer free android phones with activation with the NFB discount. The only thing is, They say that they have the ability to do things by voice activation and there is an app you can download that will make it text to speech enabled.
>>>>
>>>> could someone please tell me if I should try it.
>>>>
>>>> My 3GS is running so slow with the 5.1 upgrade that it's beyond irritating.
>>>>
>>>> All I need to use on a phone is the contacts, calendar, texting, and email.
>>>>
>>>> Some advice would be helpful please.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mary Ann Sears wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling these
>>>>> two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list thanks.
>>>>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:20:37 -0500
>> From: Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>> Message-ID: <2E1CD8C6-E8EE-46C0-AEB0-BF27ED3AE924 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> thanks for the suggestion.
>>
>> I'll try that. Is that in accessabilities.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Gabe Vega wrote:
>>
>>> also turn on "use compact voice" and you should see a dramatic speed increase. it might take rebooting the phone once, after turning on the "Use compact voice" option but you should see a deffinet speed bump.
>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
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>>> Website: http://thebt.net
>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Tony Sohl wrote:
>>>
>>>> well no i would go with cricket the samson vitality works pretty well becuase my friend rita burbar has one.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:00 PM
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to switch to t mobile and they offer free android phones with activation with the NFB discount. The only thing is, They say that they have the ability to do things by voice activation and there is an app you can download that will make it text to speech enabled.
>>>>>
>>>>> could someone please tell me if I should try it.
>>>>>
>>>>> My 3GS is running so slow with the 5.1 upgrade that it's beyond irritating.
>>>>>
>>>>> All I need to use on a phone is the contacts, calendar, texting, and email.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some advice would be helpful please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mary Ann Sears wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling these
>>>>>> two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list thanks.
>>>>>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:23:20 -0700
>> From: Gabe Vega <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>> Message-ID: <33E8DB4C-7B32-4CD8-B99A-A6195C151F06 at gmail.com>
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>> yes, it is in the voice over settings. under settings/general/accessibility/voiceover/"Use compact voice Switch on/off".
>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
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>>
>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>
>>> thanks for the suggestion.
>>>
>>> I'll try that. Is that in accessabilities.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Gabe Vega wrote:
>>>
>>>> also turn on "use compact voice" and you should see a dramatic speed increase. it might take rebooting the phone once, after turning on the "Use compact voice" option but you should see a deffinet speed bump.
>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>>>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
>>>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/blindtech
>>>> Website: http://thebt.net
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Tony Sohl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> well no i would go with cricket the samson vitality works pretty well becuase my friend rita burbar has one.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to switch to t mobile and they offer free android phones with activation with the NFB discount. The only thing is, They say that they have the ability to do things by voice activation and there is an app you can download that will make it text to speech enabled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> could someone please tell me if I should try it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My 3GS is running so slow with the 5.1 upgrade that it's beyond irritating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I need to use on a phone is the contacts, calendar, texting, and email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some advice would be helpful please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mary Ann Sears wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling these
>>>>>>> two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:01:00 -0500
>> From: Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>> Message-ID: <7AB23219-2B80-4EF2-973E-B6C240DF62FC at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Thanks, I'll give it a shot.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:23 PM, Gabe Vega wrote:
>>
>>> yes, it is in the voice over settings. under settings/general/accessibility/voiceover/"Use compact voice Switch on/off".
>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
>>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/blindtech
>>> Website: http://thebt.net
>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks for the suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> I'll try that. Is that in accessabilities.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Gabe Vega wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> also turn on "use compact voice" and you should see a dramatic speed increase. it might take rebooting the phone once, after turning on the "Use compact voice" option but you should see a deffinet speed bump.
>>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>>>>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
>>>>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/blindtech
>>>>> Website: http://thebt.net
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Tony Sohl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> well no i would go with cricket the samson vitality works pretty well becuase my friend rita burbar has one.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to switch to t mobile and they offer free android phones with activation with the NFB discount. The only thing is, They say that they have the ability to do things by voice activation and there is an app you can download that will make it text to speech enabled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> could someone please tell me if I should try it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 3GS is running so slow with the 5.1 upgrade that it's beyond irritating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I need to use on a phone is the contacts, calendar, texting, and email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some advice would be helpful please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mary Ann Sears wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling these
>>>>>>>> two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list thanks.
>>>>>>>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:56:29 -0700
>> From: Jacob Struiksma <lawnmower84 at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Tony Sohl" <tonysohl at cox.net>, "Discussion of accessible
>> electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>> Message-ID: <BAY169-DS488F2A501A7E182E7C7DDB53F0 at phx.gbl>
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>> What is this phone samson vitality ?
>> Thanks
>> Jacob Struiksma
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tony Sohl
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:03 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>
>> well no i would go with cricket the samson vitality works pretty well
>> becuase my friend rita burbar has one.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:00 PM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to switch to t mobile and they offer free android phones
>>> with activation with the NFB discount. The only thing is, They say
>>> that they have the ability to do things by voice activation and there
>>> is an app you can download that will make it text to speech enabled.
>>>
>>> could someone please tell me if I should try it.
>>>
>>> My 3GS is running so slow with the 5.1 upgrade that it's beyond
>>> irritating.
>>>
>>> All I need to use on a phone is the contacts, calendar, texting, and
>>> email.
>>>
>>> Some advice would be helpful please.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mary Ann Sears wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling
>>>> these two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list
>>>> thanks.
>>>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:20:34 +0200
>> From: "Chelsey Duranleau " <cduranleau88 at gmail.com>
>> To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Electronics-talk Digest, Accessible
>> tvs
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>> One word. Apple. How many people are using iPads / iPhones etc. to read
>> through this list or reply to message threads? Why is it that blind users
>> are now able to use a phone with a touch-screen that was once seen as
>> completely inaccessible to us? Well, I'd say the answer to that question had
>> nothing to do with sitting around complaining. We took action, and we got
>> results! If we don't try to change things, nothing will happen. The same
>> goes with TVs. Why not start with U.S. based companies?
>>
>> Chelsey
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: tv's (Jude DaShiell)
>> 2. Re: tv's (Jim Barbour)
>> 3. Re: tv's (Christopher Chaltain)
>> 4. Re: tv's (Gerald Levy)
>> 5. my experiences with android (tina birenbaum)
>> 6. Re: tv's (JULIE PHILLIPSON)
>> 7. Re: tv's (Tony Sohl)
>> 8. Re: tv's (Gene Coulter)
>> 9. Re: tv's (Tony Sohl)
>> 10. Re: tv's (cheez)
>> 11. Re: tv's (cheez)
>> 12. Re: for kay, who just got zello (Kaye)
>> 13. Re: tv's (Jim Barbour)
>> 14. Re: Getting Email Addresses was Re: for kay, who just got
>> zello (Kaye)
>> 15. Re: tv's (Kaye)
>> 16. Re: tv's (Kaye)
>> 17. Re: tv's (cheez)
>> 18. Effective accessibility advocacy [was "Re: tv's"]
>> (Christopher Chaltain)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID:
>> <alpine.BSF.2.01.1204151305500.7216 at freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg>
>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>> of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>> reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>> investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>> actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>> zero.
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>
>>> In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say the
>>> US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because with
>>> businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell and
>>> less important to determine where creativity comes from geographically.
>>> With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>> UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come from
>>> somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>>
>>> My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>> don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations was
>>> solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>> revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>> corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to their
>>> close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>> corporations were so business focused, and their links to the government
>>> were kept tenuous.
>>>
>>> I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I suspect
>>> that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>> corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a monopoly
>>> on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>> economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>> engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>>
>>> On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>> > Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this planet.
>>
>>> > In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations is
>>> > chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>> > priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The first
>>> > thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>> > corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>> > figure.
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER DEVICES AS
>> IT IS
>>> >> SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U S >> HAS
>> LOST
>>> >> ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>> >> THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>> >> <deniserob at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> >> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>> >>>
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews/Pages
>> /talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>> >>> <timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>> systems
>>> >>>> with them?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>> <http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:46:09 -0700
>> From: Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID: <246E238E-5E2E-494A-AF2E-D2322FD8F2BF at barcore.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do with
>> tvs or electronics?
>> Jim
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net> wrote:
>>
>>> So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>> of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>>> reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>> investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>> actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>>> zero.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>
>>>> In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say the
>>>> US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because with
>>>> businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell and
>>>> less important to determine where creativity comes from geographically.
>>>> With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>>> UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come from
>>>> somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>>>
>>>> My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>>> don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations was
>>>> solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>>> revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>>> corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to their
>>>> close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>>> corporations were so business focused, and their links to the government
>>>> were kept tenuous.
>>>>
>>>> I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I suspect
>>>> that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>>> corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a monopoly
>>>> on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>>> economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>>> engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>>>
>>>> On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>> Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this planet.
>>
>>>>> In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations is
>>>>> chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>>>> priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The first
>>>>> thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>>>> corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>>>> figure.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER DEVICES AS
>> IT IS
>>>>>> SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U S HAS
>> LOST
>>>>>> ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>>>>> THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>>>>> <deniserob at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>>>>>
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews/Pages
>> /talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>>>>>> <timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>> systems
>>>>>>>> with them?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>> <http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:35:54 -0500
>> From: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID: <4F8B231A.8000702 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> My understanding of this thread is that you're screwed if you're a blind
>> TV watcher in the US because:
>> * Americans aren't as creative as they used to be.
>> * American corporations put profit ahead of solving public problems,
>> unlike corporations elsewhere in the world.
>> * More and more TV's are coming from Chinese companies now, who don't
>> care about American consumers and who don't care about making accessible
>> products.
>>
>> Note that I don't agree with any of the above, and I'd rather not see
>> such political and unfounded statements made on a list intended to talk
>> about the accessibility of consumer electronics, although I understand
>> everyone has an opinion and the right to voice it. I also don't agree
>> with the implication that we're living in a time that's so bleak or
>> hopeless for the blind TV watcher. Technology and legislation is in
>> place now where we could see a dramatic increase in the accessibility of
>> smart TV's and advanced set top boxes. Of course, we won't see these
>> improvements if we just assume that it's hopeless and don't even try.
>>
>> On 15/04/12 12:46, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>> I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do with
>> tvs or electronics?
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>>> of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>>>> reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>>> investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>>> actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>>>> zero.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say the
>>>>> US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because with
>>>>> businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell and
>>>>> less important to determine where creativity comes from geographically.
>>>>> With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>>>> UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come from
>>>>> somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>>>> don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations was
>>>>> solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>>>> revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>>>> corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to their
>>>>> close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>>>> corporations were so business focused, and their links to the government
>>>>> were kept tenuous.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I suspect
>>>>> that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>>>> corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a monopoly
>>>>> on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>>>> economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>>>> engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>> Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this planet.
>>
>>>>>> In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations is
>>>>>> chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>>>>> priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The first
>>
>>>>>> thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>>>>> corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>>>>> figure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER DEVICES AS
>> IT IS
>>>>>>> SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U S
>> HAS LOST
>>>>>>> ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>>>>>> THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>>>>>> <deniserob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews/Pages
>> /talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>>>>>>> <timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>> systems
>>>>>>>>> with them?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>>> <http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:31:42 -0400
>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID: <638096A8EE3C42BDB90CF2F665E38ACD at glevy>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> reply-type=original
>>
>>
>> The problem with these accessibility initiatives is that they lack real
>> substance. What if a manufacture refuses to abide by the law and make their
>>
>> electronic products blind accessible? Are their executives going to be
>> aggressivley prosecuted and thrown in jail? Of course not. Their companies
>>
>> will merely be forced to pay nominal fines and go about their business.
>> Nobody in this country has ever served jail time for violating the ADA, so
>> why should blind consumers expect electronic products to become more
>> accessible just because some weak legislation mandates it? The blindness
>> advocacy organizations love to pat themselves on the back for getting such
>> legislation passed, but when it comes to enforcing it, they have been
>> largely ineffective.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 3:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>
>>
>>> My understanding of this thread is that you're screwed if you're a blind
>>> TV watcher in the US because:
>>> * Americans aren't as creative as they used to be.
>>> * American corporations put profit ahead of solving public problems,
>>> unlike corporations elsewhere in the world.
>>> * More and more TV's are coming from Chinese companies now, who don't
>>> care about American consumers and who don't care about making accessible
>>> products.
>>>
>>> Note that I don't agree with any of the above, and I'd rather not see
>>> such political and unfounded statements made on a list intended to talk
>>> about the accessibility of consumer electronics, although I understand
>>> everyone has an opinion and the right to voice it. I also don't agree
>>> with the implication that we're living in a time that's so bleak or
>>> hopeless for the blind TV watcher. Technology and legislation is in
>>> place now where we could see a dramatic increase in the accessibility of
>>> smart TV's and advanced set top boxes. Of course, we won't see these
>>> improvements if we just assume that it's hopeless and don't even try.
>>>
>>> On 15/04/12 12:46, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>> I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do
>>>> with tvs or electronics?
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>>>> of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>>>>> reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>>>> investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>>>> actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>>>>> zero.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> less important to determine where creativity comes from geographically.
>>>>>> With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>>>>> UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>>>>> don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>>>>> revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>>>>> corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to their
>>>>>> close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>>>>> corporations were so business focused, and their links to the
>>>>>> government
>>>>>> were kept tenuous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I
>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>> that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>>>>> corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a
>>>>>> monopoly
>>>>>> on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>>>>> economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>>>>> engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>>> Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this
>>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>> In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations is
>>>>>>> chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>>>>>> priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>>>>>> corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>>>>>> figure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER DEVICES
>>>>>>>> AS IT IS
>>>>>>>> SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U S
>>>>>>>> HAS LOST
>>>>>>>> ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>>>>>>> THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>>>>>>> <deniserob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews/Pages
>> /talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>>>>>>>> <timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>>>>> with them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>>>> <http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Electronics-talk mailing list
>>>>> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> Electronics-talk:
>>>>>
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>> .com
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher (CJ)
>>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:05:03 -0400
>> From: tina birenbaum <tinabir at samobile.net>
>> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] my experiences with android
>> Message-ID: d88bf9eb-3b9e-47c4-a8cc-2389ebba6a87 at samobile.net
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>
>>
>>
>> There was a message asking about android here earlier. I'm not sure it
>> was directed to me, but I wrote back anyway, meant it to get to the
>> list and it didn't so am trying again. Feel free to e-mail me off list
>> or we can talk on skype or zello if anyone wants more info about how i
>> use my phone. I have the samsung transform ultra from sprint. I've
>> used android for probably a year and a half or so now and am very happy
>> with. it. i webr from using a braille note all the time and for
>> everything, to pretty much never using the Braille note. my droid goes
>> everywhere with me. i was playing navigator on the Way to the third day
>> concert friday night and helped my friend find the dennys afterward and
>> played some third day music she hadn't heard all on my android and. i
>> came home and couldn't sleep so bought Even more of their music on the
>> phone . right from the google play store on the phone. It's not for
>> everyone, if you are techy, like to customize your phone, want a memory
>> card of up to 32 gb and want to just have your computer See your phone
>> as a drive, it might work for you. But yes, i really like mine.
>> Original message:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:15:50 -0400
>> From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID: <19A6E105882D4EE991F5261BC9C8A243 at JulieHP>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> it depends if they want our money or not. My money is as good as anyone
>> else's. Every sale makes a difference to them.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The problem with these accessibility initiatives is that they lack real
>>> substance. What if a manufacture refuses to abide by the law and make
>>> their electronic products blind accessible? Are their executives going to
>>
>>> be aggressivley prosecuted and thrown in jail? Of course not. Their
>>> companies will merely be forced to pay nominal fines and go about their
>>> business. Nobody in this country has ever served jail time for violating
>>> the ADA, so why should blind consumers expect electronic products to
>>> become more accessible just because some weak legislation mandates it?
>>> The blindness advocacy organizations love to pat themselves on the back
>>> for getting such legislation passed, but when it comes to enforcing it,
>>> they have been largely ineffective.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 3:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>
>>>
>>>> My understanding of this thread is that you're screwed if you're a blind
>>>> TV watcher in the US because:
>>>> * Americans aren't as creative as they used to be.
>>>> * American corporations put profit ahead of solving public problems,
>>>> unlike corporations elsewhere in the world.
>>>> * More and more TV's are coming from Chinese companies now, who don't
>>>> care about American consumers and who don't care about making accessible
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>>> Note that I don't agree with any of the above, and I'd rather not see
>>>> such political and unfounded statements made on a list intended to talk
>>>> about the accessibility of consumer electronics, although I understand
>>>> everyone has an opinion and the right to voice it. I also don't agree
>>>> with the implication that we're living in a time that's so bleak or
>>>> hopeless for the blind TV watcher. Technology and legislation is in
>>>> place now where we could see a dramatic increase in the accessibility of
>>>> smart TV's and advanced set top boxes. Of course, we won't see these
>>>> improvements if we just assume that it's hopeless and don't even try.
>>>>
>>>> On 15/04/12 12:46, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>> I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do
>>>>> with tvs or electronics?
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>>>>> of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>>>>>> reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>>>>> investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>>>>> actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>>>>>> zero.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> less important to determine where creativity comes from
>>>>>>> geographically.
>>>>>>> With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>>>>>> UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>>>>>> don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>>>>>> revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>>>>>> corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>>>>>> corporations were so business focused, and their links to the
>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>> were kept tenuous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I
>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>> that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>>>>>> corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a
>>>>>>> monopoly
>>>>>>> on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>>>>>> economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>>>>>> engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>>>> Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this
>>>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>>> In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>>>>>>> priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>>>>>>> corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>>>>>>> figure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER DEVICES
>>>>>>>>> AS IT IS
>>>>>>>>> SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U S
>>>>>>>>> HAS LOST
>>>>>>>>> ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>>>>>>>> THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>>>>>>>> <deniserob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews/Pages
>> /talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>>>>>>>>> <timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>>>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>>>>>> with them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>>>>> <http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Electronics-talk mailing list
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>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> Electronics-talk:
>>>>>>
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>> .com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> il.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Christopher (CJ)
>>>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:26:34 -0700
>> From: Tony Sohl <tonysohl at cox.net>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and
>> appliances<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <20120415222712.SFUM7477.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net at fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi I have a toshiba TV and it's very accessible, and it's an
>> older model not the flat screen TV.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:55:37 -0500
>> From: "Gene Coulter" <escoulter at centurytel.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID: <788BA1F5A3D94775993FC7560EA3B91E at GenePC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> It is my understanding that the technology to make TV?s and other devices is
>>
>> reality inexpensive probably less than those nominal fines spoken of.
>> And, we don?t have anything to complain about if we do not advocate for
>> ourselves whether or not it does any good or not. The point of ADA has never
>>
>> been to put people in jail but to get compliance. If not for consumer groups
>>
>> hundreds of web sites such as Target, Major League Baseball and AOL would
>> not be accesible. The NFB doesn?t pat it self on the pat for what needs to
>> be done but instead trys to get it done.
>>
>>
>> From: JULIE PHILLIPSON
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:15 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>
>> it depends if they want our money or not. My money is as good as anyone
>> else's. Every sale makes a difference to them.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The problem with these accessibility initiatives is that they lack real
>>> substance. What if a manufacture refuses to abide by the law and make
>>> their electronic products blind accessible? Are their executives going to
>>> be aggressivley prosecuted and thrown in jail? Of course not. Their
>>> companies will merely be forced to pay nominal fines and go about their
>>> business. Nobody in this country has ever served jail time for violating
>>> the ADA, so why should blind consumers expect electronic products to
>>> become more accessible just because some weak legislation mandates it?
>>> The blindness advocacy organizations love to pat themselves on the back
>>> for getting such legislation passed, but when it comes to enforcing it,
>>> they have been largely ineffective.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 3:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>
>>>
>>>> My understanding of this thread is that you're screwed if you're a blind
>>>> TV watcher in the US because:
>>>> * Americans aren't as creative as they used to be.
>>>> * American corporations put profit ahead of solving public problems,
>>>> unlike corporations elsewhere in the world.
>>>> * More and more TV's are coming from Chinese companies now, who don't
>>>> care about American consumers and who don't care about making accessible
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>>> Note that I don't agree with any of the above, and I'd rather not see
>>>> such political and unfounded statements made on a list intended to talk
>>>> about the accessibility of consumer electronics, although I understand
>>>> everyone has an opinion and the right to voice it. I also don't agree
>>>> with the implication that we're living in a time that's so bleak or
>>>> hopeless for the blind TV watcher. Technology and legislation is in
>>>> place now where we could see a dramatic increase in the accessibility of
>>>> smart TV's and advanced set top boxes. Of course, we won't see these
>>>> improvements if we just assume that it's hopeless and don't even try.
>>>>
>>>> On 15/04/12 12:46, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>> I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do
>>>>> with tvs or electronics?
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>>>>> of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>>>>>> reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>>>>> investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>>>>> actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>>>>>> zero.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> less important to determine where creativity comes from
>>>>>>> geographically.
>>>>>>> With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>>>>>> UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>>>>>> don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>>>>>> revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>>>>>> corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>>>>>> corporations were so business focused, and their links to the
>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>> were kept tenuous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I
>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>> that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>>>>>> corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a
>>>>>>> monopoly
>>>>>>> on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>>>>>> economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>>>>>> engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>>>> Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this
>>>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>>> In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>>>>>>> priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>>>>>>> corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>>>>>>> figure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER DEVICES
>>>>>>>>> AS IT IS
>>>>>>>>> SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U S
>>>>>>>>> HAS LOST
>>>>>>>>> ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>>>>>>>> THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>>>>>>>> <deniserob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews/Pages
>> /talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>>>>>>>>> <timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>>>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>>>>>> with them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>>>>> <http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Electronics-talk mailing list
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>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> Electronics-talk:
>>>>>>
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>> .com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> il.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Christopher (CJ)
>>>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:59:38 -0700
>> From: Tony Sohl <tonysohl at cox.net>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and
>> appliances<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <20120415230015.MAPS29577.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net at fed1rmimpo305.cox.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi I agree with you, and that's the problem with devices for the
>> blind, because they are so expensive.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:30:14 -0700
>> From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID: <B846BD3902624387B9709D27505ECD09 at odyssey>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> If the Government isn't complying to the accessibility laws, what makes you
>> think manufacturers are going to?
>> Just keep in mind. The TV's are novelties and won't last long in
>> production. So it's almost as if one has to purchased more than one for a
>> backup.
>> Vince
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at att.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>
>>
>>> i thought the president signed something in 2010 saying that all set top
>>> boxes and several other things had to be made accessible by the 2012-2013
>>> model year
>>>
>>>
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>> t
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:32:04 -0700
>> From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID: <52CA5BEBE0C04F6AAAE8D166CE2E9CEB at odyssey>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Just venting frustrations, Jimmy. It'll cease soon.
>> Vince
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>
>>
>>> I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do with
>>> tvs or electronics?
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>>> of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>>>> reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>>> investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>>> actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>>>> zero.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say the
>>>>> US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because with
>>>>> businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell and
>>>>> less important to determine where creativity comes from geographically.
>>>>> With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>>>> UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come from
>>>>> somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>>>> don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations was
>>>>> solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>>>> revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>>>> corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to their
>>>>> close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>>>> corporations were so business focused, and their links to the government
>>>>> were kept tenuous.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I suspect
>>>>> that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>>>> corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a monopoly
>>>>> on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>>>> economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>>>> engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>> Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this planet.
>>>>>> In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations is
>>>>>> chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>>>>> priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The first
>>>>>> thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>>>>> corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>>>>> figure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER DEVICES AS
>>
>>>>>>> IT IS
>>>>>>> SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U S
>>>>>>> HAS LOST
>>>>>>> ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>>>>>> THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>>>>>> <deniserob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews/Pages
>> /talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>>>>>>> <timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>>>> with them?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>>> <http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> .com
>>>>
>>>
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>> t
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:58:14 -0400
>> From: "Kaye" <kayezimpher at comcast.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] for kay, who just got zello
>> Message-ID: <ED5FCAEE3263489AA628EBBF87D38524 at kayezimpherPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> I still can't figure it out. I have been told that a couple of people added
>> me, but I can't see their pending request. I have even heard the churping
>> sound like someone is trying to communicate, but can't find the place to see
>>
>> what they said. I am truly at a loss. I'm usually not this slow? lol
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaye Zimpher
>> Check out my facebook at www.facebook.com/thekeeperoftime
>> I will show you the first time, and help you if you mess up the second time.
>>
>> But the third time you are on your own, because that is the way the world
>> is.
>> -----Original Message----- From: tina birenbaum
>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:05 AM
>> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] for kay, who just got zello
>>
>> I can't get your private e-mail so will just e-mail you here. After i
>> sign in to zello , i set mine to sign in automatically, it shows me a
>> list of my channels and contacts if i click on someone then it shows
>> their username and if i arrow down below that is a button that says
>> hold to talk . you had asked about the menu, for me, under the menu are
>> options, more, add contacts and channels and a couple other things
>> can;t remember what. Does this help? i can try and help you more if you
>> want. let me know. I'm having a lot of fun playing with it.
>>
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:00:34 -0700
>> From: Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID: <20120416040033.GJ7558 at barcore.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Jimmy Eh?
>>
>> The frustration doesn't seem to be passing. it is now, however, being
>> accopanied by a strong dose of misinformation about "disability laws"
>> though.
>>
>> No matter, I can easily mute the thread. Just responding to the
>> "jimmy" barb you through out.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 08:32:04PM -0700, cheez wrote:
>>> Just venting frustrations, Jimmy. It'll cease soon.
>>> Vince
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:46 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>
>>>
>>> >I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do
>> with
>>> >tvs or electronics?
>>> >Jim
>>> >
>>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>> >>of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>>> >>reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>> >>investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>> >>actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>>> >>zero.
>>> >>
>>> >>On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say
>> the
>>> >>>US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because
>> with
>>> >>>businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell
>> and
>>> >>>less important to determine where creativity comes from >>>geographically.
>>> >>>With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>> >>>UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come
>> from
>>> >>>somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>> >>>don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations
>> was
>>> >>>solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>> >>>revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>> >>>corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to >>>their
>>> >>>close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>> >>>corporations were so business focused, and their links to the
>> government
>>> >>>were kept tenuous.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I
>> suspect
>>> >>>that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>> >>>corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a
>> monopoly
>>> >>>on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>> >>>economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>> >>>engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>> >>>>Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this
>> planet.
>>> >>>>In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations >>>>is
>>> >>>>chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>> >>>>priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The
>> first
>>> >>>>thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>> >>>>corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>> >>>>figure.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER
>>> >>>>>DEVICES AS IT IS
>>> >>>>>SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U
>>> >>>>>S HAS LOST
>>> >>>>>ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>> >>>>>THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>> >>>>><deniserob at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> >>>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews
>> /Pages/talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>> >>>>>><timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>>> >>>>>>>systems
>>> >>>>>>>with them?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>> >><http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>_______________________________________________
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>> re.com
>>> >>
>>> >
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:00:52 -0400
>> From: "Kaye" <kayezimpher at comcast.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Getting Email Addresses was Re: for
>> kay, who just got zello
>> Message-ID: <A443D6695FE5465B8B0B759E95B74452 at kayezimpherPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Tina, my emaill address is
>> kayezimpher at comcast.net
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaye Zimpher
>> Check out my facebook at www.facebook.com/thekeeperoftime
>> I will show you the first time, and help you if you mess up the second time.
>>
>> But the third time you are on your own, because that is the way the world
>> is.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:29 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Getting Email Addresses was Re: for kay, who
>>
>> just got zello
>>
>> I've never quite understood this myself, but I guess some screen reader
>> / email client combinations might make this information harder to get to
>> than others. I've usually found that a reply to all usually grabs the
>> originator's email address. I've also started including my own email
>> address in my signature just because of this issue.
>>
>> On 13/04/12 11:47, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>>> This seems to be a recurring problem, people not being able to get
>>> individual email addresses off of emails from the list. For the people
>>> who seem to be having trouble with this, what email clients or online
>>> emails are you using?
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "tina birenbaum" <tinabir at samobile.net>
>>> To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] for kay, who just got zello
>>>
>>>
>>>> I can't get your private e-mail so will just e-mail you here. After i
>>>> sign in to zello , i set mine to sign in automatically, it shows me a
>>>> list of my channels and contacts if i click on someone then it shows
>>>> their username and if i arrow down below that is a button that says
>>>> hold to talk . you had asked about the menu, for me, under the menu
>>>> are options, more, add contacts and channels and a couple other
>>>> things can;t remember what. Does this help? i can try and help you
>>>> more if you want. let me know. I'm having a lot of fun playing with it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
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>>>> Electronics-talk:
>>>>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/electronics-talk_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40w
>> avecable.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (CJ)
>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:10:12 -0400
>> From: "Kaye" <kayezimpher at comcast.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID: <445ABEC691E34DD78873E2DDEFA29914 at kayezimpherPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> That is a good summary of the thread, but could we please change our subject
>>
>> lines when the conversation changes?
>> Thanks a bunch!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaye Zimpher
>> Check out my facebook at www.facebook.com/thekeeperoftime
>> I will show you the first time, and help you if you mess up the second time.
>>
>> But the third time you are on your own, because that is the way the world
>> is.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 3:35 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>
>> My understanding of this thread is that you're screwed if you're a blind
>> TV watcher in the US because:
>> * Americans aren't as creative as they used to be.
>> * American corporations put profit ahead of solving public problems,
>> unlike corporations elsewhere in the world.
>> * More and more TV's are coming from Chinese companies now, who don't
>> care about American consumers and who don't care about making accessible
>> products.
>>
>> Note that I don't agree with any of the above, and I'd rather not see
>> such political and unfounded statements made on a list intended to talk
>> about the accessibility of consumer electronics, although I understand
>> everyone has an opinion and the right to voice it. I also don't agree
>> with the implication that we're living in a time that's so bleak or
>> hopeless for the blind TV watcher. Technology and legislation is in
>> place now where we could see a dramatic increase in the accessibility of
>> smart TV's and advanced set top boxes. Of course, we won't see these
>> improvements if we just assume that it's hopeless and don't even try.
>>
>> On 15/04/12 12:46, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>> I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do with
>>
>>> tvs or electronics?
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>>> of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>>>> reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>>> investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>>> actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>>>> zero.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say the
>>>>> US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because with
>>>>> businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell and
>>>>> less important to determine where creativity comes from geographically.
>>>>> With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>>>> UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come from
>>>>> somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>>>> don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations was
>>>>> solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>>>> revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>>>> corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to their
>>>>> close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>>>> corporations were so business focused, and their links to the government
>>>>> were kept tenuous.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I suspect
>>>>> that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>>>> corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a monopoly
>>>>> on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>>>> economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>>>> engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>> Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this planet.
>>>>>> In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations is
>>>>>> chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>>>>> priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The first
>>>>>> thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>>>>> corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>>>>> figure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER DEVICES AS
>>
>>>>>>> IT IS
>>>>>>> SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U S
>>>>>>> HAS LOST
>>>>>>> ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>>>>>> THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>>>>>> <deniserob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews/Pages
>> /talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>>>>>>> <timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>>>> with them?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>>> <http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Christopher (CJ)
>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>
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>>
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>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:13:45 -0400
>> From: "Kaye" <kayezimpher at comcast.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>> Message-ID: <1B5524FA91424E2D9CF439221294E12D at kayezimpherPC>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> It seems like I have seen a commercial on tv about a new line of smart tv's
>> and the person in the commercial is speaking the menu item he wants. I can't
>>
>> remember the brand, possibly sanyo? But I wondered if the tv talked back or
>> if he just spoke the items such as sports etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaye Zimpher
>> Check out my facebook at www.facebook.com/thekeeperoftime
>> I will show you the first time, and help you if you mess up the second time.
>>
>> But the third time you are on your own, because that is the way the world
>> is.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Barbour
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 12:00 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>
>> Jimmy Eh?
>>
>> The frustration doesn't seem to be passing. it is now, however, being
>> accopanied by a strong dose of misinformation about "disability laws"
>> though.
>>
>> No matter, I can easily mute the thread. Just responding to the
>> "jimmy" barb you through out.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 08:32:04PM -0700, cheez wrote:
>>> Just venting frustrations, Jimmy. It'll cease soon.
>>> Vince
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:46 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>
>>>
>>> >I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do
>>> >with
>>> >tvs or electronics?
>>> >Jim
>>> >
>>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>> >>of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>>> >>reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>> >>investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>> >>actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>>> >>zero.
>>> >>
>>> >>On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say
>>> >>>the
>>> >>>US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because
>>> >>>with
>>> >>>businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell
>>> >>>and
>>> >>>less important to determine where creativity comes from >>>geographically.
>>> >>>With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>> >>>UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come
>>> >>>from
>>> >>>somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>> >>>don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations
>>> >>>was
>>> >>>solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>> >>>revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>> >>>corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to >>>their
>>> >>>close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>> >>>corporations were so business focused, and their links to the
>>> >>>government
>>> >>>were kept tenuous.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I
>>> >>>suspect
>>> >>>that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>> >>>corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a
>>> >>>monopoly
>>> >>>on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>> >>>economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>> >>>engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>> >>>>Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this
>>> >>>>planet.
>>> >>>>In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations >>>>is
>>> >>>>chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>> >>>>priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The
>>> >>>>first
>>> >>>>thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>> >>>>corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>> >>>>figure.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER
>>> >>>>>DEVICES AS IT IS
>>> >>>>>SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U
>>> >>>>>S HAS LOST
>>> >>>>>ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>> >>>>>THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>> >>>>><deniserob at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> >>>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews
>> /Pages/talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>> >>>>>><timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>>> >>>>>>>systems
>>> >>>>>>>with them?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>> >><http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>> Message: 17
>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:23:43 -0700
>> From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
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>> No offense intended.
>> Vince
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>
>>
>>> Jimmy Eh?
>>>
>>> The frustration doesn't seem to be passing. it is now, however, being
>>> accopanied by a strong dose of misinformation about "disability laws"
>>> though.
>>>
>>> No matter, I can easily mute the thread. Just responding to the
>>> "jimmy" barb you through out.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 08:32:04PM -0700, cheez wrote:
>>>> Just venting frustrations, Jimmy. It'll cease soon.
>>>> Vince
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:46 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do
>>>> >with
>>>> >tvs or electronics?
>>>> >Jim
>>>> >
>>>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >
>>>> >On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>>> >>of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>>>> >>reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>>> >>investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>>> >>actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up >>being
>>>> >>zero.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could say
>>>> >>>the
>>>> >>>US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because
>>>> >>>with
>>>> >>>businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to tell
>>>> >>>and
>>>> >>>less important to determine where creativity comes from
>>>> >>>geographically.
>>>> >>>With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in >>>the
>>>> >>>UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come
>>>> >>>from
>>>> >>>somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>>> >>>don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for corporations
>>>> >>>was
>>>> >>>solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>>> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>>> >>>revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>>> >>>corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to
>>>> >>>their
>>>> >>>close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>>> >>>corporations were so business focused, and their links to the
>>>> >>>government
>>>> >>>were kept tenuous.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I
>>>> >>>suspect
>>>> >>>that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>>> >>>corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a
>>>> >>>monopoly
>>>> >>>on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>>> >>>economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>>> >>>engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>> >>>>Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this
>>>> >>>>planet.
>>>> >>>>In some countries a little of the original purpose for corporations
>>>> >>>>is
>>>> >>>>chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>>> >>>>priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The
>>>> >>>>first
>>>> >>>>thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>>> >>>>corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>>> >>>>figure.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER
>>>> >>>>>DEVICES AS IT IS
>>>> >>>>>SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U
>>>> >>>>>S HAS LOST
>>>> >>>>>ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>>> >>>>>THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>>> >>>>><deniserob at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> >>>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>>>>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews
>> /Pages/talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>>> >>>>>><timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>>>> >>>>>>>systems
>>>> >>>>>>>with them?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >>Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>>> >><http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>> Message: 18
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:30:09 -0500
>> From: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Effective accessibility advocacy [was "Re:
>> tv's"]
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>>
>> And what do you propose as an alternative? I claim working with
>> companies, passing legislation, filing complaints under the ADA and
>> other statutes, signing petitions, pursuing law suits and so on will
>> have much more effect on increasing the accessibility of TV's and other
>> products than doing nothing other than complaining how hopeless it all is.
>>
>> No executives are going to be personally prosecuted for violating the
>> ADA or other accessibility laws. This has more to do with corporate
>> legislation than a perceived indifference towards accessibility
>> legislation. There are very few laws where an executive of a corporation
>> can be prosecuted personally.
>>
>> As I said above, a lot can be done to make electronics more accessible
>> without sending executives to jail. Whether you want to admit it or not,
>> or do the research yourself, the blindness advocacy organizations have
>> done a lot to enforce the ADA and other statues. using Google it isn't
>> hard to come up with how many complaints have been filed under the ADA
>> and how many of them have been successful. Furthermore, web sites and
>> applications like AOL, Google and so on are all now more accessible than
>> they would be without the blindness advocacy groups and the legislation
>> they've passed. Ditto for book readers, cell phones and so on.
>>
>> Of course, no matter how strong the legislation is, nothing will come
>> from it if people just sit on their hands and complain about how
>> hopeless it is. For any legislation to be successful, people will need
>> to report violations and participate in the process.
>>
>> On 15/04/12 15:31, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>>
>>> The problem with these accessibility initiatives is that they lack real
>>> substance. What if a manufacture refuses to abide by the law and make
>>> their electronic products blind accessible? Are their executives going
>>> to be aggressivley prosecuted and thrown in jail? Of course not. Their
>>> companies will merely be forced to pay nominal fines and go about their
>>> business. Nobody in this country has ever served jail time for violating
>>> the ADA, so why should blind consumers expect electronic products to
>>> become more accessible just because some weak legislation mandates it?
>>> The blindness advocacy organizations love to pat themselves on the back
>>> for getting such legislation passed, but when it comes to enforcing it,
>>> they have been largely ineffective.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
>>> <chaltain at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 3:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>
>>>
>>>> My understanding of this thread is that you're screwed if you're a blind
>>>> TV watcher in the US because:
>>>> * Americans aren't as creative as they used to be.
>>>> * American corporations put profit ahead of solving public problems,
>>>> unlike corporations elsewhere in the world.
>>>> * More and more TV's are coming from Chinese companies now, who don't
>>>> care about American consumers and who don't care about making accessible
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>>> Note that I don't agree with any of the above, and I'd rather not see
>>>> such political and unfounded statements made on a list intended to talk
>>>> about the accessibility of consumer electronics, although I understand
>>>> everyone has an opinion and the right to voice it. I also don't agree
>>>> with the implication that we're living in a time that's so bleak or
>>>> hopeless for the blind TV watcher. Technology and legislation is in
>>>> place now where we could see a dramatic increase in the accessibility of
>>>> smart TV's and advanced set top boxes. Of course, we won't see these
>>>> improvements if we just assume that it's hopeless and don't even try.
>>>>
>>>> On 15/04/12 12:46, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>> I just started reading this thread. What does this message have to do
>>>>> with tvs or electronics?
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So many examples in fact that there isn't a single major bank everyone
>>>>>> of the State's attorney's general doesn't want to prosecute. The only
>>>>>> reason that hasn't happened is because of ongoing Federal
>>>>>> investigations. Guess how many of those major national banks are
>>>>>> actually going to get prosecuted. I'm pretty sure it will end up being
>>>>>> zero.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a world that's getting flatter and flatter, I guess you could
>>>>>>> say the
>>>>>>> US is losing it's edge in creativity, but IMHO, that's more because
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> businesses becoming more and more international, it's harder to
>>>>>>> tell and
>>>>>>> less important to determine where creativity comes from
>>>>>>> geographically.
>>>>>>> With respect to these TV's, it's true they're being distributed in the
>>>>>>> UK and Ireland first, but how do we know the technology didn't come
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> somewhere else, and this was nothing but a marketing decision?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My understanding of the history of corporations is a bit different. I
>>>>>>> don't recall ever hearing that the original charter for
>>>>>>> corporations was
>>>>>>> solving public problems, and I don't see that discuss at
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_companies. In fact, the US
>>>>>>> revolution was due in some part to the tight link between English
>>>>>>> corporations and the abuses they were allowed to undertake due to
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> close links with the English government. That's why the original US
>>>>>>> corporations were so business focused, and their links to the
>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>> were kept tenuous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never been to business school in the US or elsewhere, but I
>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>> that most corporations and especially international or transnational
>>>>>>> corporations work towards the same goals. The US doesn't have a
>>>>>>> monopoly
>>>>>>> on greed, corruption or the desire to make money in a capitalist
>>>>>>> economy. Furthermore, there are plenty of examples of US corporations
>>>>>>> engaged in philanthropic missions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/04/12 18:14, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>>>> Corporate morays differ in America from other locations on this
>>>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>>> In some countries a little of the original purpose for
>>>>>>>> corporations is
>>>>>>>> chartered to solve public problems. Enriching investors was a third
>>>>>>>> priority behind perpetuation of the corporations themselves. The
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> thing anyone going to Business School here in America hears about
>>>>>>>> corporations is that their purpose is to enrich their investors. Go
>>>>>>>> figure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, JULIE PHILLIPSON wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AT LEAST A START. I HOPE IT CONTINUES AND EXPANDS TO OTHER
>>>>>>>>> DEVICES AS IT IS
>>>>>>>>> SUPPOSE TO.ITS INTERESTING THEY STARTED IN THE UK, BUT THEN THE U
>>>>>>>>> S HAS LOST
>>>>>>>>> ITS EDGE IN CREATIVITY.
>>>>>>>>> THIS IS G----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Denise M Robinson"
>>>>>>>>> <deniserob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:08 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] tv's
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the site for talking TVs--just open this link
>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/tvradiofilmnews/Pages
>> /talking_television_panasonic.aspx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William Vandervest
>>>>>>>>>> <timelord09 at att.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> are there any tv's thet have accessible menues or home theater
>>>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>>>>>> with them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Jude <jdashiel-at-shellworld-dot-net>
>>>>>> <http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (CJ)
>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>
>>
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:48:34 -0500
>> From: Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: lawnmower84 at hotmail.com, Discussion of accessible electronics and
>> appliances <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>> Message-ID: <3B9224F9-54DC-4434-8E65-661FC3702763 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> The only thing about Cricket, is that you have to pay for the phone too.
>>
>> With T Mobile, you can get one of the best androids free when you sign up.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Jacob Struiksma wrote:
>>
>>> What is this phone samson vitality ?
>>> Thanks
>>> Jacob Struiksma
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tony Sohl
>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:03 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>>
>>> well no i would go with cricket the samson vitality works pretty well
>>> becuase my friend rita burbar has one.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to switch to t mobile and they offer free android phones
>>>> with activation with the NFB discount. The only thing is, They say
>>>> that they have the ability to do things by voice activation and there
>>>> is an app you can download that will make it text to speech enabled.
>>>>
>>>> could someone please tell me if I should try it.
>>>>
>>>> My 3GS is running so slow with the 5.1 upgrade that it's beyond
>>>> irritating.
>>>>
>>>> All I need to use on a phone is the contacts, calendar, texting, and
>>>> email.
>>>>
>>>> Some advice would be helpful please.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mary Ann Sears wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling
>>>>> these two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list
>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:00:06 -0600
>> From: "James Aldrich" <jajkaldrich at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
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>> Hi all!
>>
>> This voice business is subjective! I like the natural sounding voice better
>> than samantha! Therefore, this is really a personal preference!
>>
>> Jim
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>
>>
>>> yes, it is in the voice over settings. under
>>> settings/general/accessibility/voiceover/"Use compact voice Switch
>>> on/off".
>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
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>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks for the suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> I'll try that. Is that in accessabilities.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Gabe Vega wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> also turn on "use compact voice" and you should see a dramatic speed
>>>>> increase. it might take rebooting the phone once, after turning on the
>>>>> "Use compact voice" option but you should see a deffinet speed bump.
>>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>>>>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
>>>>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/blindtech
>>>>> Website: http://thebt.net
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Tony Sohl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> well no i would go with cricket the samson vitality works pretty well
>>>>>> becuase my friend rita burbar has one.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue"
>>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to switch to t mobile and they offer free android phones
>>>>>>> with activation with the NFB discount. The only thing is, They say
>>>>>>> that they have the ability to do things by voice activation and there
>>>>>>> is an app you can download that will make it text to speech enabled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> could someone please tell me if I should try it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 3GS is running so slow with the 5.1 upgrade that it's beyond
>>>>>>> irritating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I need to use on a phone is the contacts, calendar, texting, and
>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some advice would be helpful please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mary Ann Sears wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list thanks.
>>>>>>>>
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:08:52 -0400
>> From: "Beverly Hunter" <bhunter at nfbga.org>
>> To: "electronics" <Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] FYI, ATTENTION ANDROID CELL PHONE
>> USERS.....
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>> Product Evaluations
>> An Evaluation of Code Factory's Mobile Accessibility for Android
>> J.J. Meddaugh
>>
>> Just a few short months ago, the accessibility of Android phones was shaky at best. While Google and others had developed some methods for basic access to the Android operating system, these options were really only suitable for advanced users who didn't mind tinkering to make everything work. In addition, some common features, such as Android's built-in Web browser and calendar, remained completely inaccessible to a blind or visually impaired user.
>>
>> Perhaps one of the biggest recent advancements for Android accessibility is the introduction of Mobile Accessibility for Android from Code Factory, the producers of the popular Mobile Speak software for Symbian and Windows-based cell phones.
>>
>> Mobile Accessibility provides a two-pronged accessibility solution: a homegrown suite of applications, and a screen reader for the phone. This review looks at version 1.2 of Mobile Accessibility, and evaluates how the software performs a variety of tasks. (In the interest of full disclosure I'll mention that I was a beta tester for this product.)
>>
>> Compatible Phones
>> Mobile Accessibility works with any phone running version 2.1 or later of Google's Android operating system; phones running Android 2.2 will have access to Google's speech recognition services. Most new Android phones available from the major U.S. wireless carriers run at least version 2.1, but it's a good idea to double check before buying the software. For reasons I'll explain below, it's essential to have a phone that includes either a D-pad (an optical button that allows you to arrow around the screen) or some other form of arrow keys. A physical QWERTY keyboard is also highly recommended for optimal use. Unfortunately, these two requirements greatly limit the number of functional phone choices, though there is at least one compatible option from each of the four major carriers. It's probably best to visit a cellular phone store to try out the various options hands-on, as some models include more tactile features than others.
>>
>> Installation and Initial Set Up
>> Like most Android applications, Mobile Accessibility is installed through the Android Market, available from virtually any Android phone. The app can be installed using the phone itself or by visiting the Android Market website. Unfortunately, it's still generally not possible to enable the phone's accessibility features without sighted assistance. In my case, I talked a store employee through the necessary steps to enable speech, but this remains one of the biggest disadvantages of Android versus the iPhone. Once this initial hurdle is overcome, sighted assistance should not be needed again.
>>
>> Getting Help
>> Code Factory offers several methods for obtaining help with using Mobile Accessibility. The software manual is available on its website, and through a direct link in the software. Code Factory also offers a mailing list where questions and suggestions can be posted.
>>
>> The Suite
>> Mobile Accessibility essentially replaces your phone's default screen with a launch pad for a suite of 10 homegrown and completely accessible apps, including a phone dialer, contacts manager, alarms, Web browser, mail client, calendar, and a simple GPS app. Other applications on the phone can be launched from the program as well.
>>
>> Mobile Accessibility uses Nuance Vocalizer as its speech engine. Currently, there are only two voice options?male voices for U.S. and U.K. English?and you must choose your desired voice upon purchase; there is no way to switch between voices. Code Factory has stated that versions of the software for other languages are planned for the near future. Overall, the speech was very responsive when pressing keys or navigating among menus. The pitch, speed, volume, punctuation level, and other voice settings can be adjusted from within the app.
>>
>> The suite provides access to the majority of day-to-day mobile device functions and is designed so the same gestures and commands work across all apps.
>>
>> Navigation
>> You navigate using the phone's touchscreen or by using the d-pad or arrow keys, and you explore the current screen by simply sliding a finger around it; Mobile Accessibility announces the item under your finger as you move. Tap the screen twice to select an item. A variety of gestures (specific movements by a finger or fingers) on the touchscreen can be used to navigate around the screen, and for tasks such as moving between menus and lists, jumping to the top or bottom of a list, or selecting items. A triple-tap gesture (tapping the screen three times in rapid succession), opens a special pop-up menu of commands. These include options pertinent to the current screen as well as global commands like adjusting settings or viewing system notifications. This is also where you can check the phone's status, including battery and signal strength and the current date and time. If you ever get stuck, the Home button can be pressed to return to the Mobile Accessibility main screen.
>>
>> Making and Receiving Calls
>> With all of the advancements in smartphones in recent years, we often forget about the original purpose for the phone: to make calls. The Mobile Accessibility phone dialer allows you to input numbers by using either the touchscreen or a physical keyboard. If the touchscreen is used, you simply slide to the desired digit and then lift up your finger to select. Slide to the "Dial" button and then double tap to place the call. Alternatively, the phone's list of contacts can be browsed in order to find a person to call. While on a call, the phone's touchscreen can't be accessed, so it's recommended that you buy an Android phone with a hardware keyboard in order to work around this limitation.
>>
>> When receiving calls, you can double tap anywhere on the screen to hear the name or number of the person who is calling. Then, slide your finger from the bottom of the screen to the top to answer the call, or do the reverse to ignore it. Mobile Accessibility also presents an accessible log of recently received, missed, and placed calls.
>>
>> The Contacts Manager includes a basic array of options for creating, editing, and viewing contacts. Android contacts also sync with your Google account, so you can enter contacts through the phone or Google's website. Navigation between contacts is straightforward, and a physical keyboard can be used to type a few letters of a name you are looking for to quickly retrieve contact information.
>>
>> Web and E-mail
>> One of the places where Mobile Accessibility for Android shines is its built-in Web browser. The app presents webpages using a virtual buffer, similar to the technique employed by Windows-based screen readers. You use a variety of commands to navigate pages and it's possible to move forward and backward through a webpage by headings, links, tables, or other common elements. Forms can be filled in by selecting the appropriate fields and choosing Enter to type in the required information. Overall, the Mobile Accessibility browser experience is polished, and most of the sites visited for this evaluation were navigable. There was some difficulty when handling downloadable content such as MP3 files or streaming video; hopefully, this will be addressed in a future update.
>>
>> Mobile Accessibility also includes a built-in e-mail client that allows you to browse through your inbox, send mail, and navigate folders. While this works well for those using a Google-hosted e-mail account such as Gmail, it is currently incompatible with other mail providers. For those affected by this limitation, an accessible and free third-party alternative e-mail client called K-9 Mail is available from the Android Market.
>>
>> Other Apps
>> The Mobile Accessibility Calendar can sync to Google Calendar and allows for adding, removing, and viewing events. This is an important addition as the default calendar included with Android is largely inaccessible for most users with visual impairment or blindness. The SMS app allows for sending and receiving text messages while the alarm app allows for setting one-time or repeating alarms.
>>
>> A basic GPS app called Where Am I offers a simple way to determine your current location. Once the app is launched, the current address (or approximation), is spoken. By default, the app will speak every time your location changes, providing a method for knowing when it is time to get off the bus, for example.
>>
>> The Screen Reader
>> The second part of Mobile Accessibility for Android is a screen reader for the phone. The screen reader provides access to hundreds of apps available on the Android Market, offering advanced users numerous possibilities for exploration. Due to Google's accessibility implementation, however, the screen reader is not able to overcome some limitations in accessing the touchscreen. While this lack of access is unfortunate and certainly needs to be addressed, many Android applications also allow for navigation and input using the keyboard or arrow keys, which is largely why we recommend a phone that includes these features.
>>
>> Mobile Accessibility's screen reader offers a few advantages over free alternatives such as Talkback or Spiel. First, some may prefer the Nuance voices over the options available with other screen readers. These voices only work from within Mobile Accessibility and can't be used with another screen reader. Mobile Accessibility also includes a virtual keyboard for entering text using the touchscreen and direct access to Google's speech recognition service. These features can be utilized from third-party apps for quickly entering information.
>>
>> Suggestions
>> Though Code Factory should be commended for the number of features included in this version of Mobile Accessibility for Android, there is certainly some room for improvement. Third-party applications frequently launch a Web browser for presenting information and it's not possible to set the Mobile Accessibility browser as the default for those pages; you can only use Mobile Accessibility's browser within the app suite itself. It would also be nice if a user dictionary could be included to correct mispronounced words, and a way to label unlabeled graphics and buttons in third-party applications would be helpful. Also as stated above, the e-mail program would be more useful if it supported a wider array of e-mail providers.
>>
>> The Bottom Line
>> It's quite evident that Code Factory put a lot of thought into developing a product for the Android operating system, and many of the innovative approaches they've taken are useful and well-designed. For those looking for a simple Android accessibility solution with a consistent interface, the Mobile Accessibility suite is a good solution.
>>
>> With the use of Mobile Accessibility, it's possible for blind and visually impaired users to independently use an Android phone, though it's not possible to set up the phone independently. While Google has certainly made strides toward improving access to the Android platform, there is still progress that needs to be made, including a way for screen reader users to access the touchscreen and review on-screen content. Without these improvements, features like braille support or a review cursor will not be possible for Mobile Accessibility or any screen reader.
>>
>> Given the tools available to them, Code Factory has done an admirable job in this first version of the product, and since they have a history of frequent free upgrades, it's reasonable to expect that they will continue to improve on Mobile Accessibility for Android. Future improvements from both Code Factory and Google would serve to make Android a robust and complete accessibility solution. While Android does not include the out-of-the-box accessibility found in the iPhone, it may be worth a look, especially for users who prefer a physical keyboard or don't want to switch to a carrier offering the iPhone. In other words, Android's far from perfect, but with Mobile Accessibility, the proper tools, and a bit of patience, it's now a viable mobile device platform for users who require accessibility functionality.
>>
>> Product Information
>> Product: Mobile Accessibility 1.2.
>>
>> Price: 69 Euros, about $99 U.S.; available from the Android Market on your Android device, or through the Android Market website.
>>
>> Manufacturer: Code Factory S.L.
>>
>> Address: Rambla Egara, 148, 2-2
>> 08221 ? Terrassa (Barcelona)
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:43:49 -0500
>> From: Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
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>> Well, to update you guys on the status of my I phone, it still is slow, but it is a tiny bit better.
>>
>> I'll probably just try an android from T Mobile since they are free and I have thirty days to return it if it doesn't work out.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:00 AM, James Aldrich wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all!
>>>
>>> This voice business is subjective! I like the natural sounding voice better than samantha! Therefore, this is really a personal preference!
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>>
>>>
>>>> yes, it is in the voice over settings. under settings/general/accessibility/voiceover/"Use compact voice Switch on/off".
>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>>>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
>>>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/blindtech
>>>> Website: http://thebt.net
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks for the suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll try that. Is that in accessabilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Gabe Vega wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> also turn on "use compact voice" and you should see a dramatic speed increase. it might take rebooting the phone once, after turning on the "Use compact voice" option but you should see a deffinet speed bump.
>>>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Apple Mac Mini
>>>>>> Hit me up Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>>>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
>>>>>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/blindtech
>>>>>> Website: http://thebt.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Tony Sohl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well no i would go with cricket the samson vitality works pretty well becuase my friend rita burbar has one.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:00 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about android phones
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to switch to t mobile and they offer free android phones with activation with the NFB discount. The only thing is, They say that they have the ability to do things by voice activation and there is an app you can download that will make it text to speech enabled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> could someone please tell me if I should try it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My 3GS is running so slow with the 5.1 upgrade that it's beyond irritating.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All I need to use on a phone is the contacts, calendar, texting, and email.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some advice would be helpful please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Mary Ann Sears wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello I don't know if this is allowed to be posted here. I am selling these
>>>>>>>>> two items. If anyone is interested please email me off list thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:06:01 -0500
>> From: Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] FYI, ATTENTION ANDROID CELL PHONE
>> USERS.....
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>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Could you send me a link with the code factory android list please?
>>
>> Also, do all Android phones just have qwerty keypads on them or can you find ones with standard number pads?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Beverly Hunter wrote:
>>
>>> Product Evaluations
>>> An Evaluation of Code Factory's Mobile Accessibility for Android
>>> J.J. Meddaugh
>>>
>>> Just a few short months ago, the accessibility of Android phones was shaky at best. While Google and others had developed some methods for basic access to the Android operating system, these options were really only suitable for advanced users who didn't mind tinkering to make everything work. In addition, some common features, such as Android's built-in Web browser and calendar, remained completely inaccessible to a blind or visually impaired user.
>>>
>>> Perhaps one of the biggest recent advancements for Android accessibility is the introduction of Mobile Accessibility for Android from Code Factory, the producers of the popular Mobile Speak software for Symbian and Windows-based cell phones.
>>>
>>> Mobile Accessibility provides a two-pronged accessibility solution: a homegrown suite of applications, and a screen reader for the phone. This review looks at version 1.2 of Mobile Accessibility, and evaluates how the software performs a variety of tasks. (In the interest of full disclosure I'll mention that I was a beta tester for this product.)
>>>
>>> Compatible Phones
>>> Mobile Accessibility works with any phone running version 2.1 or later of Google's Android operating system; phones running Android 2.2 will have access to Google's speech recognition services. Most new Android phones available from the major U.S. wireless carriers run at least version 2.1, but it's a good idea to double check before buying the software. For reasons I'll explain below, it's essential to have a phone that includes either a D-pad (an optical button that allows you to arrow around the screen) or some other form of arrow keys. A physical QWERTY keyboard is also highly recommended for optimal use. Unfortunately, these two requirements greatly limit the number of functional phone choices, though there is at least one compatible option from each of the four major carriers. It's probably best to visit a cellular phone store to try out the various options hands-on, as some models include more tactile features than others.
>>>
>>> Installation and Initial Set Up
>>> Like most Android applications, Mobile Accessibility is installed through the Android Market, available from virtually any Android phone. The app can be installed using the phone itself or by visiting the Android Market website. Unfortunately, it's still generally not possible to enable the phone's accessibility features without sighted assistance. In my case, I talked a store employee through the necessary steps to enable speech, but this remains one of the biggest disadvantages of Android versus the iPhone. Once this initial hurdle is overcome, sighted assistance should not be needed again.
>>>
>>> Getting Help
>>> Code Factory offers several methods for obtaining help with using Mobile Accessibility. The software manual is available on its website, and through a direct link in the software. Code Factory also offers a mailing list where questions and suggestions can be posted.
>>>
>>> The Suite
>>> Mobile Accessibility essentially replaces your phone's default screen with a launch pad for a suite of 10 homegrown and completely accessible apps, including a phone dialer, contacts manager, alarms, Web browser, mail client, calendar, and a simple GPS app. Other applications on the phone can be launched from the program as well.
>>>
>>> Mobile Accessibility uses Nuance Vocalizer as its speech engine. Currently, there are only two voice options?male voices for U.S. and U.K. English?and you must choose your desired voice upon purchase; there is no way to switch between voices. Code Factory has stated that versions of the software for other languages are planned for the near future. Overall, the speech was very responsive when pressing keys or navigating among menus. The pitch, speed, volume, punctuation level, and other voice settings can be adjusted from within the app.
>>>
>>> The suite provides access to the majority of day-to-day mobile device functions and is designed so the same gestures and commands work across all apps.
>>>
>>> Navigation
>>> You navigate using the phone's touchscreen or by using the d-pad or arrow keys, and you explore the current screen by simply sliding a finger around it; Mobile Accessibility announces the item under your finger as you move. Tap the screen twice to select an item. A variety of gestures (specific movements by a finger or fingers) on the touchscreen can be used to navigate around the screen, and for tasks such as moving between menus and lists, jumping to the top or bottom of a list, or selecting items. A triple-tap gesture (tapping the screen three times in rapid succession), opens a special pop-up menu of commands. These include options pertinent to the current screen as well as global commands like adjusting settings or viewing system notifications. This is also where you can check the phone's status, including battery and signal strength and the current date and time. If you ever get stuck, the Home button can be pressed to return to the Mobile Accessibility main screen.
>>>
>>> Making and Receiving Calls
>>> With all of the advancements in smartphones in recent years, we often forget about the original purpose for the phone: to make calls. The Mobile Accessibility phone dialer allows you to input numbers by using either the touchscreen or a physical keyboard. If the touchscreen is used, you simply slide to the desired digit and then lift up your finger to select. Slide to the "Dial" button and then double tap to place the call. Alternatively, the phone's list of contacts can be browsed in order to find a person to call. While on a call, the phone's touchscreen can't be accessed, so it's recommended that you buy an Android phone with a hardware keyboard in order to work around this limitation.
>>>
>>> When receiving calls, you can double tap anywhere on the screen to hear the name or number of the person who is calling. Then, slide your finger from the bottom of the screen to the top to answer the call, or do the reverse to ignore it. Mobile Accessibility also presents an accessible log of recently received, missed, and placed calls.
>>>
>>> The Contacts Manager includes a basic array of options for creating, editing, and viewing contacts. Android contacts also sync with your Google account, so you can enter contacts through the phone or Google's website. Navigation between contacts is straightforward, and a physical keyboard can be used to type a few letters of a name you are looking for to quickly retrieve contact information.
>>>
>>> Web and E-mail
>>> One of the places where Mobile Accessibility for Android shines is its built-in Web browser. The app presents webpages using a virtual buffer, similar to the technique employed by Windows-based screen readers. You use a variety of commands to navigate pages and it's possible to move forward and backward through a webpage by headings, links, tables, or other common elements. Forms can be filled in by selecting the appropriate fields and choosing Enter to type in the required information. Overall, the Mobile Accessibility browser experience is polished, and most of the sites visited for this evaluation were navigable. There was some difficulty when handling downloadable content such as MP3 files or streaming video; hopefully, this will be addressed in a future update.
>>>
>>> Mobile Accessibility also includes a built-in e-mail client that allows you to browse through your inbox, send mail, and navigate folders. While this works well for those using a Google-hosted e-mail account such as Gmail, it is currently incompatible with other mail providers. For those affected by this limitation, an accessible and free third-party alternative e-mail client called K-9 Mail is available from the Android Market.
>>>
>>> Other Apps
>>> The Mobile Accessibility Calendar can sync to Google Calendar and allows for adding, removing, and viewing events. This is an important addition as the default calendar included with Android is largely inaccessible for most users with visual impairment or blindness. The SMS app allows for sending and receiving text messages while the alarm app allows for setting one-time or repeating alarms.
>>>
>>> A basic GPS app called Where Am I offers a simple way to determine your current location. Once the app is launched, the current address (or approximation), is spoken. By default, the app will speak every time your location changes, providing a method for knowing when it is time to get off the bus, for example.
>>>
>>> The Screen Reader
>>> The second part of Mobile Accessibility for Android is a screen reader for the phone. The screen reader provides access to hundreds of apps available on the Android Market, offering advanced users numerous possibilities for exploration. Due to Google's accessibility implementation, however, the screen reader is not able to overcome some limitations in accessing the touchscreen. While this lack of access is unfortunate and certainly needs to be addressed, many Android applications also allow for navigation and input using the keyboard or arrow keys, which is largely why we recommend a phone that includes these features.
>>>
>>> Mobile Accessibility's screen reader offers a few advantages over free alternatives such as Talkback or Spiel. First, some may prefer the Nuance voices over the options available with other screen readers. These voices only work from within Mobile Accessibility and can't be used with another screen reader. Mobile Accessibility also includes a virtual keyboard for entering text using the touchscreen and direct access to Google's speech recognition service. These features can be utilized from third-party apps for quickly entering information.
>>>
>>> Suggestions
>>> Though Code Factory should be commended for the number of features included in this version of Mobile Accessibility for Android, there is certainly some room for improvement. Third-party applications frequently launch a Web browser for presenting information and it's not possible to set the Mobile Accessibility browser as the default for those pages; you can only use Mobile Accessibility's browser within the app suite itself. It would also be nice if a user dictionary could be included to correct mispronounced words, and a way to label unlabeled graphics and buttons in third-party applications would be helpful. Also as stated above, the e-mail program would be more useful if it supported a wider array of e-mail providers.
>>>
>>> The Bottom Line
>>> It's quite evident that Code Factory put a lot of thought into developing a product for the Android operating system, and many of the innovative approaches they've taken are useful and well-designed. For those looking for a simple Android accessibility solution with a consistent interface, the Mobile Accessibility suite is a good solution.
>>>
>>> With the use of Mobile Accessibility, it's possible for blind and visually impaired users to independently use an Android phone, though it's not possible to set up the phone independently. While Google has certainly made strides toward improving access to the Android platform, there is still progress that needs to be made, including a way for screen reader users to access the touchscreen and review on-screen content. Without these improvements, features like braille support or a review cursor will not be possible for Mobile Accessibility or any screen reader.
>>>
>>> Given the tools available to them, Code Factory has done an admirable job in this first version of the product, and since they have a history of frequent free upgrades, it's reasonable to expect that they will continue to improve on Mobile Accessibility for Android. Future improvements from both Code Factory and Google would serve to make Android a robust and complete accessibility solution. While Android does not include the out-of-the-box accessibility found in the iPhone, it may be worth a look, especially for users who prefer a physical keyboard or don't want to switch to a carrier offering the iPhone. In other words, Android's far from perfect, but with Mobile Accessibility, the proper tools, and a bit of patience, it's now a viable mobile device platform for users who require accessibility functionality.
>>>
>>> Product Information
>>> Product: Mobile Accessibility 1.2.
>>>
>>> Price: 69 Euros, about $99 U.S.; available from the Android Market on your Android device, or through the Android Market website.
>>>
>>> Manufacturer: Code Factory S.L.
>>>
>>> Address: Rambla Egara, 148, 2-2
>>> 08221 ? Terrassa (Barcelona)
>>> SPAIN
>>> sales at codefactory.es.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:49:12 -0400
>> From: "Beverly Hunter" <bhunter at nfbga.org>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] FYI, ATTENTION ANDROID CELL PHONE
>> USERS.....
>> Message-ID: <F9DA64EFC78E488186882B7D7EDC1C55 at NFBGA03>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> It is in the email that I sent.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] FYI, ATTENTION ANDROID CELL PHONE USERS.....
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Could you send me a link with the code factory android list please?
>>
>> Also, do all Android phones just have qwerty keypads on them or can you find
>> ones with standard number pads?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Beverly Hunter wrote:
>>
>>> Product Evaluations
>>> An Evaluation of Code Factory's Mobile Accessibility for Android
>>> J.J. Meddaugh
>>>
>>> Just a few short months ago, the accessibility of Android phones was shaky
>>> at best. While Google and others had developed some methods for basic
>>> access to the Android operating system, these options were really only
>>> suitable for advanced users who didn't mind tinkering to make everything
>>> work. In addition, some common features, such as Android's built-in Web
>>> browser and calendar, remained completely inaccessible to a blind or
>>> visually impaired user.
>>>
>>> Perhaps one of the biggest recent advancements for Android accessibility
>>> is the introduction of Mobile Accessibility for Android from Code Factory,
>>> the producers of the popular Mobile Speak software for Symbian and
>>> Windows-based cell phones.
>>>
>>> Mobile Accessibility provides a two-pronged accessibility solution: a
>>> homegrown suite of applications, and a screen reader for the phone. This
>>> review looks at version 1.2 of Mobile Accessibility, and evaluates how the
>>> software performs a variety of tasks. (In the interest of full disclosure
>>> I'll mention that I was a beta tester for this product.)
>>>
>>> Compatible Phones
>>> Mobile Accessibility works with any phone running version 2.1 or later of
>>> Google's Android operating system; phones running Android 2.2 will have
>>> access to Google's speech recognition services. Most new Android phones
>>> available from the major U.S. wireless carriers run at least version 2.1,
>>> but it's a good idea to double check before buying the software. For
>>> reasons I'll explain below, it's essential to have a phone that includes
>>> either a D-pad (an optical button that allows you to arrow around the
>>> screen) or some other form of arrow keys. A physical QWERTY keyboard is
>>> also highly recommended for optimal use. Unfortunately, these two
>>> requirements greatly limit the number of functional phone choices, though
>>> there is at least one compatible option from each of the four major
>>> carriers. It's probably best to visit a cellular phone store to try out
>>> the various options hands-on, as some models include more tactile features
>>> than others.
>>>
>>> Installation and Initial Set Up
>>> Like most Android applications, Mobile Accessibility is installed through
>>> the Android Market, available from virtually any Android phone. The app
>>> can be installed using the phone itself or by visiting the Android Market
>>> website. Unfortunately, it's still generally not possible to enable the
>>> phone's accessibility features without sighted assistance. In my case, I
>>> talked a store employee through the necessary steps to enable speech, but
>>> this remains one of the biggest disadvantages of Android versus the
>>> iPhone. Once this initial hurdle is overcome, sighted assistance should
>>> not be needed again.
>>>
>>> Getting Help
>>> Code Factory offers several methods for obtaining help with using Mobile
>>> Accessibility. The software manual is available on its website, and
>>> through a direct link in the software. Code Factory also offers a mailing
>>> list where questions and suggestions can be posted.
>>>
>>> The Suite
>>> Mobile Accessibility essentially replaces your phone's default screen with
>>> a launch pad for a suite of 10 homegrown and completely accessible apps,
>>> including a phone dialer, contacts manager, alarms, Web browser, mail
>>> client, calendar, and a simple GPS app. Other applications on the phone
>>> can be launched from the program as well.
>>>
>>> Mobile Accessibility uses Nuance Vocalizer as its speech engine.
>>> Currently, there are only two voice options?male voices for U.S. and U.K.
>>> English?and you must choose your desired voice upon purchase; there is no
>>> way to switch between voices. Code Factory has stated that versions of the
>>> software for other languages are planned for the near future. Overall, the
>>> speech was very responsive when pressing keys or navigating among menus.
>>> The pitch, speed, volume, punctuation level, and other voice settings can
>>> be adjusted from within the app.
>>>
>>> The suite provides access to the majority of day-to-day mobile device
>>> functions and is designed so the same gestures and commands work across
>>> all apps.
>>>
>>> Navigation
>>> You navigate using the phone's touchscreen or by using the d-pad or arrow
>>> keys, and you explore the current screen by simply sliding a finger around
>>> it; Mobile Accessibility announces the item under your finger as you move.
>>> Tap the screen twice to select an item. A variety of gestures (specific
>>> movements by a finger or fingers) on the touchscreen can be used to
>>> navigate around the screen, and for tasks such as moving between menus and
>>> lists, jumping to the top or bottom of a list, or selecting items. A
>>> triple-tap gesture (tapping the screen three times in rapid succession),
>>> opens a special pop-up menu of commands. These include options pertinent
>>> to the current screen as well as global commands like adjusting settings
>>> or viewing system notifications. This is also where you can check the
>>> phone's status, including battery and signal strength and the current date
>>> and time. If you ever get stuck, the Home button can be pressed to return
>>> to the Mobile Accessibility main screen.
>>>
>>> Making and Receiving Calls
>>> With all of the advancements in smartphones in recent years, we often
>>> forget about the original purpose for the phone: to make calls. The Mobile
>>> Accessibility phone dialer allows you to input numbers by using either the
>>> touchscreen or a physical keyboard. If the touchscreen is used, you simply
>>> slide to the desired digit and then lift up your finger to select. Slide
>>> to the "Dial" button and then double tap to place the call. Alternatively,
>>> the phone's list of contacts can be browsed in order to find a person to
>>> call. While on a call, the phone's touchscreen can't be accessed, so it's
>>> recommended that you buy an Android phone with a hardware keyboard in
>>> order to work around this limitation.
>>>
>>> When receiving calls, you can double tap anywhere on the screen to hear
>>> the name or number of the person who is calling. Then, slide your finger
>>> from the bottom of the screen to the top to answer the call, or do the
>>> reverse to ignore it. Mobile Accessibility also presents an accessible log
>>> of recently received, missed, and placed calls.
>>>
>>> The Contacts Manager includes a basic array of options for creating,
>>> editing, and viewing contacts. Android contacts also sync with your Google
>>> account, so you can enter contacts through the phone or Google's website.
>>> Navigation between contacts is straightforward, and a physical keyboard
>>> can be used to type a few letters of a name you are looking for to quickly
>>> retrieve contact information.
>>>
>>> Web and E-mail
>>> One of the places where Mobile Accessibility for Android shines is its
>>> built-in Web browser. The app presents webpages using a virtual buffer,
>>> similar to the technique employed by Windows-based screen readers. You use
>>> a variety of commands to navigate pages and it's possible to move forward
>>> and backward through a webpage by headings, links, tables, or other common
>>> elements. Forms can be filled in by selecting the appropriate fields and
>>> choosing Enter to type in the required information. Overall, the Mobile
>>> Accessibility browser experience is polished, and most of the sites
>>> visited for this evaluation were navigable. There was some difficulty when
>>> handling downloadable content such as MP3 files or streaming video;
>>> hopefully, this will be addressed in a future update.
>>>
>>> Mobile Accessibility also includes a built-in e-mail client that allows
>>> you to browse through your inbox, send mail, and navigate folders. While
>>> this works well for those using a Google-hosted e-mail account such as
>>> Gmail, it is currently incompatible with other mail providers. For those
>>> affected by this limitation, an accessible and free third-party
>>> alternative e-mail client called K-9 Mail is available from the Android
>>> Market.
>>>
>>> Other Apps
>>> The Mobile Accessibility Calendar can sync to Google Calendar and allows
>>> for adding, removing, and viewing events. This is an important addition as
>>> the default calendar included with Android is largely inaccessible for
>>> most users with visual impairment or blindness. The SMS app allows for
>>> sending and receiving text messages while the alarm app allows for setting
>>> one-time or repeating alarms.
>>>
>>> A basic GPS app called Where Am I offers a simple way to determine your
>>> current location. Once the app is launched, the current address (or
>>> approximation), is spoken. By default, the app will speak every time your
>>> location changes, providing a method for knowing when it is time to get
>>> off the bus, for example.
>>>
>>> The Screen Reader
>>> The second part of Mobile Accessibility for Android is a screen reader for
>>> the phone. The screen reader provides access to hundreds of apps available
>>> on the Android Market, offering advanced users numerous possibilities for
>>> exploration. Due to Google's accessibility implementation, however, the
>>> screen reader is not able to overcome some limitations in accessing the
>>> touchscreen. While this lack of access is unfortunate and certainly needs
>>> to be addressed, many Android applications also allow for navigation and
>>> input using the keyboard or arrow keys, which is largely why we recommend
>>> a phone that includes these features.
>>>
>>> Mobile Accessibility's screen reader offers a few advantages over free
>>> alternatives such as Talkback or Spiel. First, some may prefer the Nuance
>>> voices over the options available with other screen readers. These voices
>>> only work from within Mobile Accessibility and can't be used with another
>>> screen reader. Mobile Accessibility also includes a virtual keyboard for
>>> entering text using the touchscreen and direct access to Google's speech
>>> recognition service. These features can be utilized from third-party apps
>>> for quickly entering information.
>>>
>>> Suggestions
>>> Though Code Factory should be commended for the number of features
>>> included in this version of Mobile Accessibility for Android, there is
>>> certainly some room for improvement. Third-party applications frequently
>>> launch a Web browser for presenting information and it's not possible to
>>> set the Mobile Accessibility browser as the default for those pages; you
>>> can only use Mobile Accessibility's browser within the app suite itself.
>>> It would also be nice if a user dictionary could be included to correct
>>> mispronounced words, and a way to label unlabeled graphics and buttons in
>>> third-party applications would be helpful. Also as stated above, the
>>> e-mail program would be more useful if it supported a wider array of
>>> e-mail providers.
>>>
>>> The Bottom Line
>>> It's quite evident that Code Factory put a lot of thought into developing
>>> a product for the Android operating system, and many of the innovative
>>> approaches they've taken are useful and well-designed. For those looking
>>> for a simple Android accessibility solution with a consistent interface,
>>> the Mobile Accessibility suite is a good solution.
>>>
>>> With the use of Mobile Accessibility, it's possible for blind and visually
>>> impaired users to independently use an Android phone, though it's not
>>> possible to set up the phone independently. While Google has certainly
>>> made strides toward improving access to the Android platform, there is
>>> still progress that needs to be made, including a way for screen reader
>>> users to access the touchscreen and review on-screen content. Without
>>> these improvements, features like braille support or a review cursor will
>>> not be possible for Mobile Accessibility or any screen reader.
>>>
>>> Given the tools available to them, Code Factory has done an admirable job
>>> in this first version of the product, and since they have a history of
>>> frequent free upgrades, it's reasonable to expect that they will continue
>>> to improve on Mobile Accessibility for Android. Future improvements from
>>> both Code Factory and Google would serve to make Android a robust and
>>> complete accessibility solution. While Android does not include the
>>> out-of-the-box accessibility found in the iPhone, it may be worth a look,
>>> especially for users who prefer a physical keyboard or don't want to
>>> switch to a carrier offering the iPhone. In other words, Android's far
>>> from perfect, but with Mobile Accessibility, the proper tools, and a bit
>>> of patience, it's now a viable mobile device platform for users who
>>> require accessibility functionality.
>>>
>>> Product Information
>>> Product: Mobile Accessibility 1.2.
>>>
>>> Price: 69 Euros, about $99 U.S.; available from the Android Market on your
>>> Android device, or through the Android Market website.
>>>
>>> Manufacturer: Code Factory S.L.
>>>
>>> Address: Rambla Egara, 148, 2-2
>>> 08221 ? Terrassa (Barcelona)
>>> SPAIN
>>> sales at codefactory.es.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> "Georgia Statewide Coalition on Blindness" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to
>>> georgia-statewide-coalition-on-blindness at googlegroups.com.
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>>> georgia-statewide-coalition-on-blindness+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:53:26 -0500
>> From: Jennifer Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] FYI, ATTENTION ANDROID CELL PHONE
>> USERS.....
>> Message-ID: <65A6A6AE-6DF9-434D-AD8E-9B42C3ABD18A at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> Sorry, I can't find it, would you mind sending it again?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Beverly Hunter wrote:
>>
>>> It is in the email that I sent.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] FYI, ATTENTION ANDROID CELL PHONE USERS.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Could you send me a link with the code factory android list please?
>>>
>>> Also, do all Android phones just have qwerty keypads on them or can you find ones with standard number pads?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Beverly Hunter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Product Evaluations
>>>> An Evaluation of Code Factory's Mobile Accessibility for Android
>>>> J.J. Meddaugh
>>>>
>>>> Just a few short months ago, the accessibility of Android phones was shaky at best. While Google and others had developed some methods for basic access to the Android operating system, these options were really only suitable for advanced users who didn't mind tinkering to make everything work. In addition, some common features, such as Android's built-in Web browser and calendar, remained completely inaccessible to a blind or visually impaired user.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps one of the biggest recent advancements for Android accessibility is the introduction of Mobile Accessibility for Android from Code Factory, the producers of the popular Mobile Speak software for Symbian and Windows-based cell phones.
>>>>
>>>> Mobile Accessibility provides a two-pronged accessibility solution: a homegrown suite of applications, and a screen reader for the phone. This review looks at version 1.2 of Mobile Accessibility, and evaluates how the software performs a variety of tasks. (In the interest of full disclosure I'll mention that I was a beta tester for this product.)
>>>>
>>>> Compatible Phones
>>>> Mobile Accessibility works with any phone running version 2.1 or later of Google's Android operating system; phones running Android 2.2 will have access to Google's speech recognition services. Most new Android phones available from the major U.S. wireless carriers run at least version 2.1, but it's a good idea to double check before buying the software. For reasons I'll explain below, it's essential to have a phone that includes either a D-pad (an optical button that allows you to arrow around the screen) or some other form of arrow keys. A physical QWERTY keyboard is also highly recommended for optimal use. Unfortunately, these two requirements greatly limit the number of functional phone choices, though there is at least one compatible option from each of the four major carriers. It's probably best to visit a cellular phone store to try out the various options hands-on, as some models include more tactile features than others.
>>>>
>>>> Installation and Initial Set Up
>>>> Like most Android applications, Mobile Accessibility is installed through the Android Market, available from virtually any Android phone. The app can be installed using the phone itself or by visiting the Android Market website. Unfortunately, it's still generally not possible to enable the phone's accessibility features without sighted assistance. In my case, I talked a store employee through the necessary steps to enable speech, but this remains one of the biggest disadvantages of Android versus the iPhone. Once this initial hurdle is overcome, sighted assistance should not be needed again.
>>>>
>>>> Getting Help
>>>> Code Factory offers several methods for obtaining help with using Mobile Accessibility. The software manual is available on its website, and through a direct link in the software. Code Factory also offers a mailing list where questions and suggestions can be posted.
>>>>
>>>> The Suite
>>>> Mobile Accessibility essentially replaces your phone's default screen with a launch pad for a suite of 10 homegrown and completely accessible apps, including a phone dialer, contacts manager, alarms, Web browser, mail client, calendar, and a simple GPS app. Other applications on the phone can be launched from the program as well.
>>>>
>>>> Mobile Accessibility uses Nuance Vocalizer as its speech engine. Currently, there are only two voice options?male voices for U.S. and U.K. English?and you must choose your desired voice upon purchase; there is no way to switch between voices. Code Factory has stated that versions of the software for other languages are planned for the near future. Overall, the speech was very responsive when pressing keys or navigating among menus. The pitch, speed, volume, punctuation level, and other voice settings can be adjusted from within the app.
>>>>
>>>> The suite provides access to the majority of day-to-day mobile device functions and is designed so the same gestures and commands work across all apps.
>>>>
>>>> Navigation
>>>> You navigate using the phone's touchscreen or by using the d-pad or arrow keys, and you explore the current screen by simply sliding a finger around it; Mobile Accessibility announces the item under your finger as you move. Tap the screen twice to select an item. A variety of gestures (specific movements by a finger or fingers) on the touchscreen can be used to navigate around the screen, and for tasks such as moving between menus and lists, jumping to the top or bottom of a list, or selecting items. A triple-tap gesture (tapping the screen three times in rapid succession), opens a special pop-up menu of commands. These include options pertinent to the current screen as well as global commands like adjusting settings or viewing system notifications. This is also where you can check the phone's status, including battery and signal strength and the current date and time. If you ever get stuck, the Home button can be pressed to return to the Mobile Accessibility main screen.
>>>>
>>>> Making and Receiving Calls
>>>> With all of the advancements in smartphones in recent years, we often forget about the original purpose for the phone: to make calls. The Mobile Accessibility phone dialer allows you to input numbers by using either the touchscreen or a physical keyboard. If the touchscreen is used, you simply slide to the desired digit and then lift up your finger to select. Slide to the "Dial" button and then double tap to place the call. Alternatively, the phone's list of contacts can be browsed in order to find a person to call. While on a call, the phone's touchscreen can't be accessed, so it's recommended that you buy an Android phone with a hardware keyboard in order to work around this limitation.
>>>>
>>>> When receiving calls, you can double tap anywhere on the screen to hear the name or number of the person who is calling. Then, slide your finger from the bottom of the screen to the top to answer the call, or do the reverse to ignore it. Mobile Accessibility also presents an accessible log of recently received, missed, and placed calls.
>>>>
>>>> The Contacts Manager includes a basic array of options for creating, editing, and viewing contacts. Android contacts also sync with your Google account, so you can enter contacts through the phone or Google's website. Navigation between contacts is straightforward, and a physical keyboard can be used to type a few letters of a name you are looking for to quickly retrieve contact information.
>>>>
>>>> Web and E-mail
>>>> One of the places where Mobile Accessibility for Android shines is its built-in Web browser. The app presents webpages using a virtual buffer, similar to the technique employed by Windows-based screen readers. You use a variety of commands to navigate pages and it's possible to move forward and backward through a webpage by headings, links, tables, or other common elements. Forms can be filled in by selecting the appropriate fields and choosing Enter to type in the required information. Overall, the Mobile Accessibility browser experience is polished, and most of the sites visited for this evaluation were navigable. There was some difficulty when handling downloadable content such as MP3 files or streaming video; hopefully, this will be addressed in a future update.
>>>>
>>>> Mobile Accessibility also includes a built-in e-mail client that allows you to browse through your inbox, send mail, and navigate folders. While this works well for those using a Google-hosted e-mail account such as Gmail, it is currently incompatible with other mail providers. For those affected by this limitation, an accessible and free third-party alternative e-mail client called K-9 Mail is available from the Android Market.
>>>>
>>>> Other Apps
>>>> The Mobile Accessibility Calendar can sync to Google Calendar and allows for adding, removing, and viewing events. This is an important addition as the default calendar included with Android is largely inaccessible for most users with visual impairment or blindness. The SMS app allows for sending and receiving text messages while the alarm app allows for setting one-time or repeating alarms.
>>>>
>>>> A basic GPS app called Where Am I offers a simple way to determine your current location. Once the app is launched, the current address (or approximation), is spoken. By default, the app will speak every time your location changes, providing a method for knowing when it is time to get off the bus, for example.
>>>>
>>>> The Screen Reader
>>>> The second part of Mobile Accessibility for Android is a screen reader for the phone. The screen reader provides access to hundreds of apps available on the Android Market, offering advanced users numerous possibilities for exploration. Due to Google's accessibility implementation, however, the screen reader is not able to overcome some limitations in accessing the touchscreen. While this lack of access is unfortunate and certainly needs to be addressed, many Android applications also allow for navigation and input using the keyboard or arrow keys, which is largely why we recommend a phone that includes these features.
>>>>
>>>> Mobile Accessibility's screen reader offers a few advantages over free alternatives such as Talkback or Spiel. First, some may prefer the Nuance voices over the options available with other screen readers. These voices only work from within Mobile Accessibility and can't be used with another screen reader. Mobile Accessibility also includes a virtual keyboard for entering text using the touchscreen and direct access to Google's speech recognition service. These features can be utilized from third-party apps for quickly entering information.
>>>>
>>>> Suggestions
>>>> Though Code Factory should be commended for the number of features included in this version of Mobile Accessibility for Android, there is certainly some room for improvement. Third-party applications frequently launch a Web browser for presenting information and it's not possible to set the Mobile Accessibility browser as the default for those pages; you can only use Mobile Accessibility's browser within the app suite itself. It would also be nice if a user dictionary could be included to correct mispronounced words, and a way to label unlabeled graphics and buttons in third-party applications would be helpful. Also as stated above, the e-mail program would be more useful if it supported a wider array of e-mail providers.
>>>>
>>>> The Bottom Line
>>>> It's quite evident that Code Factory put a lot of thought into developing a product for the Android operating system, and many of the innovative approaches they've taken are useful and well-designed. For those looking for a simple Android accessibility solution with a consistent interface, the Mobile Accessibility suite is a good solution.
>>>>
>>>> With the use of Mobile Accessibility, it's possible for blind and visually impaired users to independently use an Android phone, though it's not possible to set up the phone independently. While Google has certainly made strides toward improving access to the Android platform, there is still progress that needs to be made, including a way for screen reader users to access the touchscreen and review on-screen content. Without these improvements, features like braille support or a review cursor will not be possible for Mobile Accessibility or any screen reader.
>>>>
>>>> Given the tools available to them, Code Factory has done an admirable job in this first version of the product, and since they have a history of frequent free upgrades, it's reasonable to expect that they will continue to improve on Mobile Accessibility for Android. Future improvements from both Code Factory and Google would serve to make Android a robust and complete accessibility solution. While Android does not include the out-of-the-box accessibility found in the iPhone, it may be worth a look, especially for users who prefer a physical keyboard or don't want to switch to a carrier offering the iPhone. In other words, Android's far from perfect, but with Mobile Accessibility, the proper tools, and a bit of patience, it's now a viable mobile device platform for users who require accessibility functionality.
>>>>
>>>> Product Information
>>>> Product: Mobile Accessibility 1.2.
>>>>
>>>> Price: 69 Euros, about $99 U.S.; available from the Android Market on your Android device, or through the Android Market website.
>>>>
>>>> Manufacturer: Code Factory S.L.
>>>>
>>>> Address: Rambla Egara, 148, 2-2
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