[Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re: TalkingSports Watch"]

Jenny Keller jlperdue3 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 24 00:31:21 UTC 2012 

Yeah, I have too, cause I think there is no agreement here.

I don't think that its wrong to buy a nice watch if you have the money.  It's just for those of us who haven't, for most of their life, and have had to except the lowest quality and the ugliest watches and other aids that didn't work as well as the higher quality aids simply because they have issues that keep them from working, and the companies know this and so do the state agencies, that spend as little as possible and then think they are so great because they did something great for the blind should be ashamed of themselves.

As far as the companies that make watches or any other adaptable equipment or not, as seco for example.  they make enough money that they could give those of us with fixed incomes a break if it didn't come down to the all mighty dollar.

I'll no longer continue this post because we're not getting anywhere.

JMO,

Jenny
On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

> Well, I don't think it's a kick in the teeth. I don't think the Seico
> braille watches are significantly more expensive than the Seico watch a
> sighted person would buy. Ditto for the Wenger or the Tissot watches. I
> don't think it would be right for us to get a watch that a sighted
> person would pay $100 for for say something like $30, or whatever you
> think a watch should cost. Maybe I haven't looked at enough watches, but
> I don't think Seico, Wenger or Tissot put out a braille or vibrating
> watch for the blind and then jacked up the price. I think these three
> companies make nicer watches and that's what they cost, whether you're
> blind or not.
> 
> To be honest, I'm not sure what the problem is here. Not every sighted
> person can afford every watch out there. Why wouldn't that also be true
> for the blind? Are you saying that since some blind people can't afford
> a luxury watch than no one should be able to buy such a watch?
> 
> When I was younger, I'd get the cheapest braille watch I could find. I
> don't know what I spent, but they never lasted me more than a few years.
> In the last 30 years, I've had two Seico watches. I paid between $100
> and $150 for them, so they cost me less than $10 a year, which I'm
> pretty sure was less than I was paying when I was buying cheaper watches.
> 
> When I bought my wife a nice watch for a birthday or anniversary, I paid
> as much as I have for either of my Seico's, and she isn't blind. My
> understanding is that good watches will cost a couple of hundred dollars
> whether you're sighted or not.
> 
> I don't know what's out there, but I'd suggest looking at other options
> for braille watches. I'm familiar with Seicos, Wengers and Tissots
> (although I've only heard and read about the Tissot), but I know there
> are other cheaper options out there. I have no idea if these meet your
> needs or not.
> 
> What are you looking for in a braille watch and how much do you want to
> spend? Maybe knowing that others can provide you options that are closer
> to what you're looking for.
> 
> I'm starting to repeat myself on this issue, so I think I've contributed
> as much as I can to this thread.
> 
> On 23/04/12 18:46, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
>> Jenny,
>> I agree with everything your saying as I am a poor college student. However,
>> you have to consider that it is very expensive to make something
>> specifically for the blind as we are such a small population. I currently
>> cannot afford the more expensive Tissot watch, but I can understand the
>> merits of making a upscale watch that can both serve the blind as well as
>> sited people who want to spend the money. Companies do this as to attract a
>> more diverse population in effort to stay in business. I also wish things
>> were less expensive and we had just as many options as our sited peers.
>> 
>> Drew
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:26 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
>> TalkingSports Watch"]
>> 
>> When 70 percent of the blind population is unemployed and that statistic is
>> probably a little higher.  It is rediculous to expect us to have the money
>> to purchase quality adaptive equipment.  
>> 
>> the fact is, the things the state provides are not the highest of quality,
>> and on fixed incomes, most blind people can't afford a seco, not to mention
>> the kind of watches you're talking about.
>> 
>> I don't see anything wrong with living with your parents to save money, but
>> for those of us who don't have that option and are barely surviving, it's a
>> kick in the teeth when any accessable product, watch or not, isn't available
>> to them in any kind of quality, unless you have a job.  Which I said before
>> since 70 percent of us are unemployed, it's a kick in the teeth.
>> 
>> JMO,
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not sure I understand this message. There are blind people across 
>>> the economic spectrum, so there are plenty of blind people who could 
>>> afford to or choose to purchase such a watch, whether they live at 
>>> home or not. Furthermore, I don't think there's anything wrong with 
>>> someone living at home, and if they save enough on living expenses 
>>> that they can afford such a watch, more power to them. IMHO, this is a 
>>> personal decision that each person has to make based on their own
>> situation.
>>> 
>>> On 23/04/12 16:13, Tone wrote:
>>>> yeah. not everyone lives at homewith mom and dad, and could blow 300 
>>>> on a watch.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller" 
>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:52 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
>>>> TalkingSports Watch"]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Nothing is wrong with that.  I just don't think you should have to 
>>>>> be rich to have a quality watch that doesn't scream I'M BLIND, look 
>>>>> at me or hear me check the time.  I also don't think you should have 
>>>>> to pay huge amounts of money to get a watch that isn't ugly, or a 
>>>>> watch that works right when it's not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> sorry for the rant.  I'm on a fixed income, have health problems 
>>>>> that preclude me from working, and frankly, feel screwed out of most 
>>>>> blindness related options because I'm not rich enough to afford them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It doesn't work that way in other countries, and this great USA 
>>>>> aught to follow suit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What's wrong with a blind person being rich?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> Christopher Chaltain
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:14 AM
>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re: 
>>>>>> Talking Sports Watch"]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, as I think I said in a previous message, I'm not sure this 
>>>>>> watch was intended solely for the blind. I've also read that it was 
>>>>>> meant for the businessman who didn't want to be seen checking her 
>>>>>> watch or the sportsman who wasn't able to look at their watches face
>> for some reason.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Remember too that this is a Tissot. They aren't going to make a 
>>>>>> cheap watch.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Finally, although a lot of blind people are on fixed incomes, not 
>>>>>> all of them are. I'm not going to say I can afford this watch 
>>>>>> myself, but I think it's a good thing that a company that makes 
>>>>>> quality watches, like Tissot, makes a watch that a well to do blind 
>>>>>> person could aspire to own someday. If someone can't afford a 
>>>>>> Tissot, there are other options out there.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 23/04/12 07:32, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>>>>> sorry, but I find it rediculous that a watch that is helpful for 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> blind, who a lot of us are on fixed incomes, costs that much.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I guess it's for those who just have jobs and/or money to burn.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As I said in the attached email, Amazon is again selling the 
>>>>>>>> Tissot Silen-T watch. This is the watch that a blind person can 
>>>>>>>> use to tell time by feeling vibrations on the watches face. It's 
>>>>>>>> currently selling for $470, but it was selling for $350, as a 
>>>>>>>> promotional deal,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> a few weeks ago.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I found it on Amazon just using Google, but if anyone wants, I 
>>>>>>>> can rerun my Google search and post the specific links.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what the Tissot Vibren watch does, but I suspect the 
>>>>>>>> poster was thinking of the Silen-T watch.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 23/04/12 06:56, Stephen guerra wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I believe you can only get the tissot vibrating watch from ebay 
>>>>>>>>> as they are not actively being sold anymore and they run over 
>>>>>>>>> $200
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>>>> Christopher Chaltain
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:20 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm not familiar with the Tissot Vibren watch, and I wasn't able 
>>>>>>>>> to find it via Google, but in the Tissot T-Touch series, the 
>>>>>>>>> Silen-T is
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> the accessible vibrating watch that a blind person could use. 
>>>>>>>>> The other watches in the series vibrate, but not in a way that 
>>>>>>>>> you could
>>>>>> tell the time.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The Tissot Silen-T is available again, but the $349 price from 
>>>>>>>>> Amazon was a promotional price that ended at the end of March. 
>>>>>>>>> It looks like the current price is around $469.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/12 19:01, Alan Siman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It was probably the Tissot vibren watch which apparently has 
>>>>>>>>>> come back on the market for $349.00 at amazon (I think).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/21/2012 4:27 PM, Annette Carr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been looking for a vibrating watch.  I came across one 
>>>>>>>>>>> advertised a very long time ago that some how vibrated as you 
>>>>>>>>>>> ran your finger around the outside rim of the face, but cannot 
>>>>>>>>>>> find it
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> any more.  I don't like talking watches because I also do not 
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> everyone to hear that I am checking the time, and many times I 
>>>>>>>>>>> cannot hear what it says because of my hearing loss.
>>>>>>>>>>> I struggle with braille watches as I have some loss of feeling 
>>>>>>>>>>> in my hands.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Annette
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny Keller
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> don't ask em where, but I could swear I have seen a water 
>>>>>>>>>>> resistant, or water proof sports watch.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't remember where cause it's been a long time since I 
>>>>>>>>>>> looked for a talking watch as I hate them with a passion.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm 4 feet 11 inches and the faces on them are just too big, 
>>>>>>>>>>> no matter where I look.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I don't want everyone and their mother to know if I want 
>>>>>>>>>>> to check the time during church or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I had one that I liked cause the face was blue and I really 
>>>>>>>>>>> liked the way it looked, but it actually started running 
>>>>>>>>>>> backwards and wouldn't sinc with the talking part, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> quidckly after that happened the talking part went berserk too.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh well, I'm stuck with a braille watch.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out this inexpensive talking sports watch from Future Aids.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>> not water resistant (I don't think there are any water 
>>>>>>>>>>> resistant talking timepieces on the market because there is no 
>>>>>>>>>>> way to prevent water from penetrating the speaker), but at 
>>>>>>>>>>> $14.95 with free shipping, it is a good deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?T=Talking+Sports+Wat
>>>>>>>>>>>> ch
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Chao"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mattchao at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:03 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am also looking for same.--Matthew Chao
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 11:11 PM 4/20/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been trying to find a high quality talking sports
>>>>>> watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hoping to find one that is somewhat water resistant 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and am
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoping to find something like a nice Seiko or something 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would love some of the nice sports watches on the market 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now but they are not talking watches so I am unfortunately 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>> looking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you know of something I would really appreciate it.  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much and sorry for my ramblings :) Linnie
> 
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> chaltain at gmail.com
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