[Electronics-talk] Alternatives to Windws and ... [was "Re: Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re: TalkingSports Watch"]"]

Tue Apr 24 05:01:40 UTC 2012

There's also system access which has a screen reader in it as well as 
many other things in the package and best of all the company offers 
payment plans. That's how i was able to get it. and it's very nice to 
have life time updates that just go to all users so you don't have to 
pay what some of the companies want just for updates.
Original message:
> For me, I run Ubuntu and use Orca/Speakup/Emacspeak on my PC, so I don't
> pay the expensive up front costs for a Mac, and I don't have to pay for
> Windows or a a screen reader. Another option would be NVDA, a free
> screen reader for Windows. I guess you'd have to upgrade Windows
> periodically, but Windows releases are supported for much more than 2
> years, and I don't understand at all why you'd have to upgrade a PC and
> Windows more frequently than a Mac.

> As stated before, I don't agree with the rest of your rant. I don't see
> how a watch maker who makes a braille or vibrating watch for the blind,
> and prices it the same as the rest of their watches, is doing anything
> wrong. In fact, I think it's just the opposite. If more companies did
> what Seico, Wenger and Tissot did then we'd have even more choices as
> blind consumers. Since they're making quality watches, making
> modifications to them so the blind can use them, and not jacking up the
> price over their other watches, I guess you could say they're already
> doing what you suggest because as others have said, with the lower
> demand, they're not going to recover the additional cost in making those
> watches accessible. Of course, I have no idea what the markup is on
> these watches or how much it costs to make a limited run of
> braille/vibrating watches.

> I can't speak to what other blind people get in other countries or what
> other disability groups get in the US, so I won't even comment on that.
> I suspect you have a lot of legitimate gripes, but if it all hinges on
> the fact that a luxury watch maker is making a luxury watch that just
> happens to be usable by the blind and they choose to continue to charge
> luxury prices for their watches then I think you need to find a better
> argument.

> On 23/04/12 19:23, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> Well, I can tell you that I have had to use Apple products as my main 
>> screen reader and cell phone because it's the only thing that doesn't 
>> cost a bloody fortune every two years to update.

>> Yes, I've had to spend more up front than the apple, but I'll be able 
>> to use it much longer than any PC you can buy, and I don't have to pay 
>> hundreds of dollars for screen reader updates each year.

>> As for the watches.  Again, to get one of any quality, you gotta pay 
>> for it, and to get one that looks half way decent you also have to pay 
>> quite a bit of money, which makers of these adaptive aids know most of 
>> us don't have.

>> If there are such things are rich blind people, maybe they need to 
>> spread some of the wealth around and help those of us who can't work 
>> have things that are of better quality.  Yes, I've gotten watches and 
>> little aids from the state, but they've all been of lesser quality than 
>> someone of means would buy, and they don't look near as nice either.

>> that, in my opinion, is where other countries have us beat in so many 
>> ways.  they provide computers for people in australia because they know 
>> that you can't live without them anymore in society, etc.

>> the people in wheelchairs and deaf get more adaptive equipment and 
>> consideration and for free than the blind and it sucks and isn't 
>> equality by a long shit.

>> sorry to rant but I'm generally frustrated with the whole situation 
>> about equality for the disabled.  As far as the blind are concerned, 
>> there is no such thing.

>> Jenny
>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:

>>> Jenny,
>>> I agree with everything your saying as I am a poor college student. However,
>>> you have to consider that it is very expensive to make something
>>> specifically for the blind as we are such a small population. I currently
>>> cannot afford the more expensive Tissot watch, but I can understand the
>>> merits of making a upscale watch that can both serve the blind as well as
>>> sited people who want to spend the money. Companies do this as to attract a
>>> more diverse population in effort to stay in business. I also wish things
>>> were less expensive and we had just as many options as our sited peers.

>>> Drew
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:26 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
>>> TalkingSports Watch"]

>>> When 70 percent of the blind population is unemployed and that statistic is
>>> probably a little higher.  It is rediculous to expect us to have the money
>>> to purchase quality adaptive equipment.

>>> the fact is, the things the state provides are not the highest of quality,
>>> and on fixed incomes, most blind people can't afford a seco, not to mention
>>> the kind of watches you're talking about.

>>> I don't see anything wrong with living with your parents to save money, but
>>> for those of us who don't have that option and are barely surviving, it's a
>>> kick in the teeth when any accessable product, watch or not, isn't available
>>> to them in any kind of quality, unless you have a job.  Which I said before
>>> since 70 percent of us are unemployed, it's a kick in the teeth.

>>> JMO,

>>> Jenny
>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

>>>> I'm not sure I understand this message. There are blind people across
>>>> the economic spectrum, so there are plenty of blind people who could
>>>> afford to or choose to purchase such a watch, whether they live at
>>>> home or not. Furthermore, I don't think there's anything wrong with
>>>> someone living at home, and if they save enough on living expenses
>>>> that they can afford such a watch, more power to them. IMHO, this is a
>>>> personal decision that each person has to make based on their own
>>> situation.

>>>> On 23/04/12 16:13, Tone wrote:
>>>>> yeah. not everyone lives at homewith mom and dad, and could blow 300
>>>>> on a watch.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
>>>>> TalkingSports Watch"]


>>>>>> Nothing is wrong with that.  I just don't think you should have to
>>>>>> be rich to have a quality watch that doesn't scream I'M BLIND, look
>>>>>> at me or hear me check the time.  I also don't think you should have
>>>>>> to pay huge amounts of money to get a watch that isn't ugly, or a
>>>>>> watch that works right when it's not.

>>>>>> sorry for the rant.  I'm on a fixed income, have health problems
>>>>>> that preclude me from working, and frankly, feel screwed out of most
>>>>>> blindness related options because I'm not rich enough to afford them.

>>>>>> It doesn't work that way in other countries, and this great USA
>>>>>> aught to follow suit.

>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:

>>>>>>> What's wrong with a blind person being rich?

>>>>>>> Andy


>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Christopher Chaltain
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:14 AM
>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
>>>>>>> Talking Sports Watch"]

>>>>>>> Well, as I think I said in a previous message, I'm not sure this
>>>>>>> watch was intended solely for the blind. I've also read that it was
>>>>>>> meant for the businessman who didn't want to be seen checking her
>>>>>>> watch or the sportsman who wasn't able to look at their watches face
>>> for some reason.

>>>>>>> Remember too that this is a Tissot. They aren't going to make a
>>>>>>> cheap watch.

>>>>>>> Finally, although a lot of blind people are on fixed incomes, not
>>>>>>> all of them are. I'm not going to say I can afford this watch
>>>>>>> myself, but I think it's a good thing that a company that makes
>>>>>>> quality watches, like Tissot, makes a watch that a well to do blind
>>>>>>> person could aspire to own someday. If someone can't afford a
>>>>>>> Tissot, there are other options out there.

>>>>>>> On 23/04/12 07:32, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>>>>>> sorry, but I find it rediculous that a watch that is helpful for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> blind, who a lot of us are on fixed incomes, costs that much.


>>>>>>>> I guess it's for those who just have jobs and/or money to burn.

>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

>>>>>>>>> As I said in the attached email, Amazon is again selling the
>>>>>>>>> Tissot Silen-T watch. This is the watch that a blind person can
>>>>>>>>> use to tell time by feeling vibrations on the watches face. It's
>>>>>>>>> currently selling for $470, but it was selling for $350, as a
>>>>>>>>> promotional deal,

>>>>>>>>> a few weeks ago.

>>>>>>>>> I found it on Amazon just using Google, but if anyone wants, I
>>>>>>>>> can rerun my Google search and post the specific links.

>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what the Tissot Vibren watch does, but I suspect the
>>>>>>>>> poster was thinking of the Silen-T watch.

>>>>>>>>> On 23/04/12 06:56, Stephen guerra wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I believe you can only get the tissot vibrating watch from ebay
>>>>>>>>>> as they are not actively being sold anymore and they run over
>>>>>>>>>> $200


>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>> Christopher Chaltain
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:20 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch

>>>>>>>>>> I'm not familiar with the Tissot Vibren watch, and I wasn't able
>>>>>>>>>> to find it via Google, but in the Tissot T-Touch series, the
>>>>>>>>>> Silen-T is

>>>>>>>>>> the accessible vibrating watch that a blind person could use.
>>>>>>>>>> The other watches in the series vibrate, but not in a way that
>>>>>>>>>> you could
>>>>>>> tell the time.

>>>>>>>>>> The Tissot Silen-T is available again, but the $349 price from
>>>>>>>>>> Amazon was a promotional price that ended at the end of March.
>>>>>>>>>> It looks like the current price is around $469.

>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/12 19:01, Alan Siman wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> It was probably the Tissot vibren watch which apparently has
>>>>>>>>>>> come back on the market for $349.00 at amazon (I think).

>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/21/2012 4:27 PM, Annette Carr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been looking for a vibrating watch.  I came across one
>>>>>>>>>>>> advertised a very long time ago that some how vibrated as you
>>>>>>>>>>>> ran your finger around the outside rim of the face, but cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>> find it

>>>>>>>>>>>> any more.  I don't like talking watches because I also do not
>>>>>>>>>>>> like

>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone to hear that I am checking the time, and many times I
>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot hear what it says because of my hearing loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I struggle with braille watches as I have some loss of feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>> in my hands.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Annette

>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny Keller
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch

>>>>>>>>>>>> don't ask em where, but I could swear I have seen a water
>>>>>>>>>>>> resistant, or water proof sports watch.

>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't remember where cause it's been a long time since I
>>>>>>>>>>>> looked for a talking watch as I hate them with a passion.

>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm 4 feet 11 inches and the faces on them are just too big,
>>>>>>>>>>>> no matter where I look.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I don't want everyone and their mother to know if I want
>>>>>>>>>>>> to check the time during church or something like that.

>>>>>>>>>>>> I had one that I liked cause the face was blue and I really
>>>>>>>>>>>> liked the way it looked, but it actually started running
>>>>>>>>>>>> backwards and wouldn't sinc with the talking part, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> quidckly after that happened the talking part went berserk too.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh well, I'm stuck with a braille watch.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out this inexpensive talking sports watch from Future Aids.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>> not water resistant (I don't think there are any water
>>>>>>>>>>>> resistant talking timepieces on the market because there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>> way to prevent water from penetrating the speaker), but at
>>>>>>>>>>>> $14.95 with free shipping, it is a good deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?T=Talking+Sports+Wat
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ch

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald


>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Chao"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mattchao at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:03 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch


>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am also looking for same.--Matthew Chao

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 11:11 PM 4/20/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been trying to find a high quality talking sports
>>>>>>> watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hoping to find one that is somewhat water resistant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and am

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoping to find something like a nice Seiko or something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would love some of the nice sports watches on the market
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now but they are not talking watches so I am unfortunately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> looking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you know of something I would really appreciate it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much and sorry for my ramblings :) Linnie

>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Christopher (CJ)
>>>>>>> chaltain at gmail.com

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