[Electronics-talk] Alternatives to Windws and ... [was "Re: Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re: TalkingSports Watch"]"]

tina birenbaum tinabir at samobile.net
Tue Apr 24 13:23:43 UTC 2012 

Yes, call them. I've used it on multiple computers and my flash drive 
which i need to update with no problem and I'm sure they can help you 
figure it out.
Original message:
> I supposedly have SA and am still making payments on it but it's not 
> working on any of our PC's or the thumb drive.

> I have to call them this week and find out why, or tell them that my 
> payment contract is null and void since it hasn't worked in almost a year.

> Jenny
> On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:01 AM, tina birenbaum wrote:

>> There's also system access which has a screen reader in it as well as 
>> many other things in the package and best of all the company offers 
>> payment plans. That's how i was able to get it. and it's very nice to 
>> have life time updates that just go to all users so you don't have to 
>> pay what some of the companies want just for updates.
>> Original message:
>>> For me, I run Ubuntu and use Orca/Speakup/Emacspeak on my PC, so I don't
>>> pay the expensive up front costs for a Mac, and I don't have to pay for
>>> Windows or a a screen reader. Another option would be NVDA, a free
>>> screen reader for Windows. I guess you'd have to upgrade Windows
>>> periodically, but Windows releases are supported for much more than 2
>>> years, and I don't understand at all why you'd have to upgrade a PC and
>>> Windows more frequently than a Mac.

>>> As stated before, I don't agree with the rest of your rant. I don't see
>>> how a watch maker who makes a braille or vibrating watch for the blind,
>>> and prices it the same as the rest of their watches, is doing anything
>>> wrong. In fact, I think it's just the opposite. If more companies did
>>> what Seico, Wenger and Tissot did then we'd have even more choices as
>>> blind consumers. Since they're making quality watches, making
>>> modifications to them so the blind can use them, and not jacking up the
>>> price over their other watches, I guess you could say they're already
>>> doing what you suggest because as others have said, with the lower
>>> demand, they're not going to recover the additional cost in making those
>>> watches accessible. Of course, I have no idea what the markup is on
>>> these watches or how much it costs to make a limited run of
>>> braille/vibrating watches.

>>> I can't speak to what other blind people get in other countries or what
>>> other disability groups get in the US, so I won't even comment on that.
>>> I suspect you have a lot of legitimate gripes, but if it all hinges on
>>> the fact that a luxury watch maker is making a luxury watch that just
>>> happens to be usable by the blind and they choose to continue to charge
>>> luxury prices for their watches then I think you need to find a better
>>> argument.

>>> On 23/04/12 19:23, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>> Well, I can tell you that I have had to use Apple products as my main 
>>>> screen reader and cell phone because it's the only thing that doesn't 
>>>> cost a bloody fortune every two years to update.

>>>> Yes, I've had to spend more up front than the apple, but I'll be able 
>>>> to use it much longer than any PC you can buy, and I don't have to pay 
>>>> hundreds of dollars for screen reader updates each year.

>>>> As for the watches.  Again, to get one of any quality, you gotta pay 
>>>> for it, and to get one that looks half way decent you also have to pay 
>>>> quite a bit of money, which makers of these adaptive aids know most of 
>>>> us don't have.

>>>> If there are such things are rich blind people, maybe they need to 
>>>> spread some of the wealth around and help those of us who can't work 
>>>> have things that are of better quality.  Yes, I've gotten watches and 
>>>> little aids from the state, but they've all been of lesser quality than 
>>>> someone of means would buy, and they don't look near as nice either.

>>>> that, in my opinion, is where other countries have us beat in so many 
>>>> ways.  they provide computers for people in australia because they know 
>>>> that you can't live without them anymore in society, etc.

>>>> the people in wheelchairs and deaf get more adaptive equipment and 
>>>> consideration and for free than the blind and it sucks and isn't 
>>>> equality by a long shit.

>>>> sorry to rant but I'm generally frustrated with the whole situation 
>>>> about equality for the disabled.  As far as the blind are concerned, 
>>>> there is no such thing.

>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:

>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>> I agree with everything your saying as I am a poor college student. However,
>>>>> you have to consider that it is very expensive to make something
>>>>> specifically for the blind as we are such a small population. I currently
>>>>> cannot afford the more expensive Tissot watch, but I can understand the
>>>>> merits of making a upscale watch that can both serve the blind as well as
>>>>> sited people who want to spend the money. Companies do this as to attract a
>>>>> more diverse population in effort to stay in business. I also wish things
>>>>> were less expensive and we had just as many options as our sited peers.

>>>>> Drew
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:26 PM
>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
>>>>> TalkingSports Watch"]

>>>>> When 70 percent of the blind population is unemployed and that statistic is
>>>>> probably a little higher.  It is rediculous to expect us to have the money
>>>>> to purchase quality adaptive equipment.

>>>>> the fact is, the things the state provides are not the highest of quality,
>>>>> and on fixed incomes, most blind people can't afford a seco, not to mention
>>>>> the kind of watches you're talking about.

>>>>> I don't see anything wrong with living with your parents to save money, but
>>>>> for those of us who don't have that option and are barely surviving, it's a
>>>>> kick in the teeth when any accessable product, watch or not, isn't available
>>>>> to them in any kind of quality, unless you have a job.  Which I said before
>>>>> since 70 percent of us are unemployed, it's a kick in the teeth.

>>>>> JMO,

>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

>>>>>> I'm not sure I understand this message. There are blind people across
>>>>>> the economic spectrum, so there are plenty of blind people who could
>>>>>> afford to or choose to purchase such a watch, whether they live at
>>>>>> home or not. Furthermore, I don't think there's anything wrong with
>>>>>> someone living at home, and if they save enough on living expenses
>>>>>> that they can afford such a watch, more power to them. IMHO, this is a
>>>>>> personal decision that each person has to make based on their own
>>>>> situation.

>>>>>> On 23/04/12 16:13, Tone wrote:
>>>>>>> yeah. not everyone lives at homewith mom and dad, and could blow 300
>>>>>>> on a watch.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
>>>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:52 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
>>>>>>> TalkingSports Watch"]


>>>>>>>> Nothing is wrong with that.  I just don't think you should have to
>>>>>>>> be rich to have a quality watch that doesn't scream I'M BLIND, look
>>>>>>>> at me or hear me check the time.  I also don't think you should have
>>>>>>>> to pay huge amounts of money to get a watch that isn't ugly, or a
>>>>>>>> watch that works right when it's not.

>>>>>>>> sorry for the rant.  I'm on a fixed income, have health problems
>>>>>>>> that preclude me from working, and frankly, feel screwed out of most
>>>>>>>> blindness related options because I'm not rich enough to afford them.

>>>>>>>> It doesn't work that way in other countries, and this great USA
>>>>>>>> aught to follow suit.

>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:

>>>>>>>>> What's wrong with a blind person being rich?

>>>>>>>>> Andy


>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> Christopher Chaltain
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:14 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
>>>>>>>>> Talking Sports Watch"]

>>>>>>>>> Well, as I think I said in a previous message, I'm not sure this
>>>>>>>>> watch was intended solely for the blind. I've also read that it was
>>>>>>>>> meant for the businessman who didn't want to be seen checking her
>>>>>>>>> watch or the sportsman who wasn't able to look at their watches face
>>>>> for some reason.

>>>>>>>>> Remember too that this is a Tissot. They aren't going to make a
>>>>>>>>> cheap watch.

>>>>>>>>> Finally, although a lot of blind people are on fixed incomes, not
>>>>>>>>> all of them are. I'm not going to say I can afford this watch
>>>>>>>>> myself, but I think it's a good thing that a company that makes
>>>>>>>>> quality watches, like Tissot, makes a watch that a well to do blind
>>>>>>>>> person could aspire to own someday. If someone can't afford a
>>>>>>>>> Tissot, there are other options out there.

>>>>>>>>> On 23/04/12 07:32, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> sorry, but I find it rediculous that a watch that is helpful for
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> blind, who a lot of us are on fixed incomes, costs that much.


>>>>>>>>>> I guess it's for those who just have jobs and/or money to burn.

>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> As I said in the attached email, Amazon is again selling the
>>>>>>>>>>> Tissot Silen-T watch. This is the watch that a blind person can
>>>>>>>>>>> use to tell time by feeling vibrations on the watches face. It's
>>>>>>>>>>> currently selling for $470, but it was selling for $350, as a
>>>>>>>>>>> promotional deal,

>>>>>>>>>>> a few weeks ago.

>>>>>>>>>>> I found it on Amazon just using Google, but if anyone wants, I
>>>>>>>>>>> can rerun my Google search and post the specific links.

>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what the Tissot Vibren watch does, but I suspect the
>>>>>>>>>>> poster was thinking of the Silen-T watch.

>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/04/12 06:56, Stephen guerra wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe you can only get the tissot vibrating watch from ebay
>>>>>>>>>>>> as they are not actively being sold anymore and they run over
>>>>>>>>>>>> $200


>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christopher Chaltain
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:20 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch

>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not familiar with the Tissot Vibren watch, and I wasn't able
>>>>>>>>>>>> to find it via Google, but in the Tissot T-Touch series, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Silen-T is

>>>>>>>>>>>> the accessible vibrating watch that a blind person could use.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The other watches in the series vibrate, but not in a way that
>>>>>>>>>>>> you could
>>>>>>>>> tell the time.

>>>>>>>>>>>> The Tissot Silen-T is available again, but the $349 price from
>>>>>>>>>>>> Amazon was a promotional price that ended at the end of March.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like the current price is around $469.

>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/12 19:01, Alan Siman wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was probably the Tissot vibren watch which apparently has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come back on the market for $349.00 at amazon (I think).

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/21/2012 4:27 PM, Annette Carr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been looking for a vibrating watch.  I came across one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advertised a very long time ago that some how vibrated as you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ran your finger around the outside rim of the face, but cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find it

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any more.  I don't like talking watches because I also do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone to hear that I am checking the time, and many times I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot hear what it says because of my hearing loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I struggle with braille watches as I have some loss of feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my hands.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Annette

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny Keller
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't ask em where, but I could swear I have seen a water
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistant, or water proof sports watch.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't remember where cause it's been a long time since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked for a talking watch as I hate them with a passion.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm 4 feet 11 inches and the faces on them are just too big,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no matter where I look.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I don't want everyone and their mother to know if I want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to check the time during church or something like that.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had one that I liked cause the face was blue and I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked the way it looked, but it actually started running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backwards and wouldn't sinc with the talking part, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quidckly after that happened the talking part went berserk too.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh well, I'm stuck with a braille watch.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out this inexpensive talking sports watch from Future Aids.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not water resistant (I don't think there are any water
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistant talking timepieces on the market because there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to prevent water from penetrating the speaker), but at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $14.95 with free shipping, it is a good deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?T=Talking+Sports+Wat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ch

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Chao"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mattchao at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:03 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am also looking for same.--Matthew Chao

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 11:11 PM 4/20/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been trying to find a high quality talking sports
>>>>>>>>> watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hoping to find one that is somewhat water resistant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and am

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoping to find something like a nice Seiko or something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would love some of the nice sports watches on the market
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now but they are not talking watches so I am unfortunately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>> looking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you know of something I would really appreciate it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much and sorry for my ramblings :) Linnie

>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Christopher (CJ)
>>>>>>>>> chaltain at gmail.com

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