[Electronics-talk] descriptive TV

Wed Dec 12 16:55:24 UTC 2012

But that's my point.  These laws are essentially unenforceable.  So while 
it's nice to claim a "victory" in the accessibility wars,alas, I'm afraid it 
is only a paper victory.  Only when failing to make products universally 
accessible is treated as a criminal offense will anything change.

Gerald

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] descriptive TV

> My aren't we bitter and angry this morning. The only way we can make these 
> changes is by passing loss, and then demanding  that they  be enforced.
>
> You can sit and wine
> About how laws don't work if you want to, but frankly they're  about the 
> only thing that ever has.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:51 AM, "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> If this is true, then why does Time Warner, my cable provider, claim that 
>> it knows nothing about any legal requirement to offer accessible cable 
>> boxes? To be perfectly blunt, I think this law is a big waste of time, 
>> and absolutely nothing will come of it.  So what if the cable providers 
>> refuse to comply?  Are their executives going to be arrested and 
>> prosecuted for violating the civil rights of their disabled customers? 
>> Of course not. Will the companies be fined?  Maybe.  And if they're 
>> fined, they'll simply pass the cost along to their customers in the form 
>> of higher monthly cable bills. And we blind customers will still be 
>> unable to access described programming. So file all the complaints you 
>> want with the FCC if it makes you feel better, but you can be sure that 
>> the fat-ass bureaucrats there will simply shrug them off.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wayland" 
>> <larry.wayland at arkansas.gov>
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>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] descriptive TV
>>
>>
>>> I believe it is the Twenty first century communications and video  act 
>>> of 2010 that says formal complaints can be filed after October of 2013. 
>>> The law was signed by the president in August of 2010 and companies have 
>>> two years from that time to get their  equipment in compliance.  My 
>>> understanding the law includes all communications equipment. It doesn't 
>>> mean all models a company produces has to be accessible, but they have 
>>> to offer models that are.
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:12 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] descriptive TV
>>>
>>>
>>> So waht?  We still can't access this described programming because there 
>>> is no way to navigate the onscreen menus of most cable boxes and digital 
>>> TV's without sighted help to turn on the SAP channel that carries the 
>>> descriptive audio. And most remote controls no longer have a dedicated 
>>> SAP button, either.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "A. Chew" <a1chew at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] descriptive TV
>>>
>>>
>>>> On August 25, 2011, the FCC was finally able to vote (unanimously) to
>>>> reinstate video description, effective July 1, 2012.  ABC, CBS, Fox, 
>>>> NBC,
>>>> USA, the Disney Channel, TNT, Nickelodeon, and TBS are each required to
>>>> provide 50 hours of video-described prime time or children's 
>>>> programming
>>>> per calendar quarter.
>>>>
>>>> full text may be found at below link
>>>> http://www.acb.org/adp/tv.html
>>>>
>>>> at the bottom of the linked page will be links to file a complaint with
>>>> the FCC.
>>>>
>>>> I was surprised to received a call from Comcast a few weeks after 
>>>> filing a
>>>> complain.
>>>> issue is still open... (not resolved)  but Comcast claims they are 
>>>> working
>>>> on it....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A. Chew
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" 
>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] descriptive TV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> this is bad news. You're saying that time warner and
>>>>> Comcast are not providing descriptive audio when its now the law.
>>>>> I cannot speak for cox cable as I have not asked. But I suspect when I
>>>>> do, they will have no clue.
>>>>> what it is either.
>>>>>
>>>>> My parents can read the options on the screen and we never see
>>>>> descriptive audio. So like
>>>>> Mariea said, I suspect that descriptive tv doesn't exist either for 
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I cannot get it, is there a way to file a complaint with the FCC 
>>>>> and
>>>>> how?
>>>>> Is there a way to download descriptive tv shows from online? even if 
>>>>> its
>>>>> paid, I'd like to have old shows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Mariea Harris
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:04 PM
>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] descriptive TV
>>>>>
>>>>> Time Warner Cable doesn't support audio description either. When I 
>>>>> read
>>>>> up
>>>>> on audio description, it said that cable companies use analog and that
>>>>> satellite uses something else, but I forget what. It seems that the 
>>>>> only
>>>>> way
>>>>> you can get audio description here in the states is via satellite TV. 
>>>>> We
>>>>> turned on SAP on our TV and nothing happens. I doubt Time Warner has 
>>>>> any
>>>>> clue what audio description is either, so I've not bothered asking.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mariea and Valiant
>>>>>
>>>>>
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