[Electronics-talk] Important message to avoid being takenadvantage of
Stephen Guerra
stephen at independentliving.com
Fri Dec 21 11:41:32 UTC 2012
Will do
Stephen Guerra
Assistive Technology Specialist and Technical Operations
independent living aids, LLC | SOUNDBYTES
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-----Original Message-----
From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Gabe Vega Via Iphone4S
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 6:02 PM
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Cc: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Important message to avoid being
takenadvantage of
Steve, I think we would all like to hear it. Please.
Gabe Vega
Sent from my iPhone
(623) 565-9357
On Dec 20, 2012, at 4:38 PM, "Stephen Guerra"
<stephen at independentliving.com> wrote:
> Gerald, I wil post a sample of the voice and will contact youto hear it
>
>
> Stephen Guerra
> Assistive Technology Specialist and Technical Operations
> independent living aids, LLC | SOUNDBYTES
> 200 Robbins Lane
> Jericho, New York 11753-2341
> Phone: 800.537.2118
> Direct: 516.450.3817
> Fax: 516.450.3842
> E-mail: stephen at independentliving.com
> Check out our 2013 New E-Catalog
> Web sites: www.independentliving.com
> www.soundbytes.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerald Levy
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:48 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Important message to avoid being
> takenadvantage of
>
>
> Here's the problem I have with FutureAids. When they first announced the
> availability of the Tiny Tunes MP3 player, they promised to add a link on
> their web site so that you could hear what the built-in speech sounds like
> before you buy it. They still haven't added any such link to their web
> site, so you have no way of knowing what this player sounds like before
you
> buy it. This would not be a problem if they allowed you to return the
item
> if you aren't satisfied, but because they do not accept returns, you are
> essentially out $75 if you don't like the way it sounds. To me, this is
> totally unacceptable, and they deserve the criticism they are receiving.
> Last year, I bought a cheap talking watch from them, and the battery died
> after just 8 months. But, then again, I have had equally bad luck with
> talking watches I have purchased from ILA. I also purchased a talking pen
> watch from FutureAids, but when its batteries died after only 3 months, I
> was able to easily replace them myself, so at least I did not get stuck.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Guerra" <stephen at independentliving.com>
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Important message to avoid being
> takenadvantage of
>
>
>> To all-
>>
>> The Tiny Tunes player is exactly what it is, a MP3 player that Talks.
>>
>> Laz's players are I am sure equally good, and sum might say better,
>> but the Braille Bookstore has been operating for many years, and I
>> personally have not had any issue with anything I purchased from them.
>>
>> They do provide detailed descriptions, and as consumers, if you do not
>> in this day read the full description, or provided reviews of a
>> product, then it is your own fault.
>>
>> The Braille Bookstore does have a return policy, and its clearly
>> stated
>> here:
>> http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?C=Return+Policy
>>
>> The Braille Bookstore does not offer a warranty on its items outside
>> of what the manufacturer provides.
>> Other retailers in the industry might, but it is at the choice of the
>> retailer to offer a warranty on top of what is provided by the
>> manufacturer or not.
>>
>> This does not mean the products being sold are in poor quality, but on
>> the contrary, the braille Bookstore sells quality products. The head
>> of the Braille Bookstore is totally blind, ad takes great effort to
>> enhance the product descriptions and insure that no stone is left
>> unturned when it comes to product quality assurance.
>>
>> Most manufacturers offer a warranty, and in the provided instructions,
>> the warranty information is clearly spelled out. Failure by a
>> consumer to "Read the manual" is no fault of the retailer.
>>
>> The Braille Bookstore offers clear remedies to defective merchandise,
>> damaged products during shipping, and resolutions for all this and
>> more on their site listed above.
>>
>> Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but before you condemn someone
>> and a company who has a well established credible reputation, take 2
>> minutes and read all the data about the product and the company before
>> you render a verdict.
>>
>> I personally will enjoy the Tiny Tunes MP3 player, as at best, though
>> I enjoy my iPhone, managing music at best is clunky no matter if you
>> have sight or not.
>>
>> If the TTs is not for you, then that is ok. But would you quickly
>> pass judgment about someone who likes the Window Eyes Voice's versus
>> the voice offered by JAWS, Sysstem Access, NVDA or other screen reader?
>>
>> I, welcome choice in the current marketplace, and whether you have a
>> RockBox, player from Laz, or Tiny Tunes MP3 player or something else,
>> it comes down too what may work for you may not for someone else.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephen Guerra
>> Assistive Technology Specialist and Technical Operations independent
>> living aids, LLC | SOUNDBYTES
>> 200 Robbins Lane
>> Jericho, New York 11753-2341
>> Phone: 800.537.2118
>> Direct: 516.450.3817
>> Fax: 516.450.3842
>> E-mail: stephen at independentliving.com
>> Check out our 2013 New E-Catalog
>> Web sites: www.independentliving.com
>> www.soundbytes.com
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Rich Cavallaro
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:17 PM
>> To: DennisLong; Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Important message to avoid being taken
>> advantage of
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Frankly Gabe, I have to agree with Dennis here.
>> The rockbox software and indeed what you pay for from Laz is far
>> better than the tiny tunes mp3 players.
>> Rockbox plays more file formats, has a better fm radio chip on board
>> the sansa line and also has expandable memory.
>> True, the tiny tunes has text to speech, but the text to speech is
>> horrible.
>> Plus, the Braille super store having no return policy on any of its
>> products?
>> That is just nus.
>> I know I will never be investing in the tiny tunes solution.
>> What you get from Laz with a Sansa mp3 player is far worth the money
>> then this tiny tunes solution.
>> With this Tiny tunes solution, your paying a lot of money and getting
>> very little functionality as a result.
>> Laz, I commend you for your work and for posting this email so people
>> who are considering there options on what portable media solution to
>> buy can really see what a product such as the tiny tunes really actually
> cant do.
>> Rich Cavalllaro
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/12, DennisLong <dennisl1982 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I like to be warned when a product is falsely stated. I would rather
>>> hay a little more for a product and have it work as advertised.
>>>
>>> -original message-
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Important message to avoid being
>>> taken advantage of
>>> From: Gabe Vega Via Iphone4S <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>>> Date: 12/19/2012 8:18 PM
>>>
>>> So this is how low you are going Huh Laz? to sell your little cheap
>>> MP3 players?
>>>
>>> Gabe Vega
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> (623) 565-9357
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Laz Mesa <lazaro6 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The below is a response from a customer who paid $75 for a
>>>> misrepresented product. He gave me permission to send it to other
>>>> lists in order to protect anyone else from falling for this con job.
>>>> Here is this gentleman's reaction to the player and the company
>>>> selling it.
>>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:06:52 -0500
>>>> From: Joe Giovanelli <joegio1 at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: Pc-audio at pc-audio.org
>>>> Subject: tiny tunes player
>>>> Message-ID: <20121218010652.joegio1 at earthlink.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>>>
>>>> Hello, Everybody,
>>>>
>>>> You may have heard about a rather small player called "Tiny Tunes."
>>>> It claims to have an excellent TTS engine, which means that it will
>>>> read textfiles. It plays various audio formats. The instructions
>>>> tell us that it will read folder names. Navigation is accoplished
>>>> with a minimum number of controls. Its 75 dollar price sounds great!
>>>>
>>>> I strongly suggest that you do not obtain one. The speech is some
>>>> of the worst I have heard in my 30 years of computer use. I was not
>>>> able to receive any FM stations on its radio. I could write a long
>>>> treatise on what this unit should do as opposed to what it really
>>>> does, but I won't. Suffice it to say that navigation and response
>>>> are erratic. When a few folders are loaded on to the device, it
>>>> will likely quit responding, leading to running down its battery.
>>>>
>>>> I truly dislike writing negative things, but I have to do so in this
>>>> case.
>>>>
>>>> If you go to the Braille Super Store website, be sure to look for
>>>> the company's return policy. Among many unbblievable things, you'll
>>>> read that none of its products are warrantied. It gets worse from
> there.
>>>>
>>>> Joe Giovanelli
>>>>
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