[Electronics-talk] question about Sirius XM Internet Radio

Sat Jan 7 23:51:19 UTC 2012

You know why it will help us here?  It's because sirius xm radio pays 
the Federal Government to use that precious satellite spectrum and it 
pays the Federal Government under the terms of a Federal Contract to 
which sirius xm radio and at least one other authorized Federal party 
are both signatories.  That puts sirius xm radio in a direct position of 
both having a contract with the Federal Government and also doing 
business with the Federal Government and that gets them covered by 
Section 508.  I figured I'd best get explicit about this since in time 
we will encounter other corporates who have similar relationships with 
the Federal Government and unless these are expressly excused from 
Section 508, they're covered by Section 508 just like all colleges and 
Universities and trade schools are that get Federal money even by Pell 
Grants.  The Federal Government is paying them and expects them to 
provide not only a good education but an accessible education.

On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Chris Nusbaum wrote:

> Oh good, so there is a law that would help us here!
> 
> Chris
> 
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real problem
> is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a blind person
> has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere
> physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and
> appliances<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 05:10:46 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] question about Sirius XM Internet Radio
> 
> Actually, Section 508 has nothing to do with this unless you are a
> Federal agency buying the radio.  Section 508 is procurement
> legislation aimed at the feds and things funded with federal
> money.  You want Section 255 of the telecommunications act.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 11:20 AM 1/4/2012, you wrote:
> Please file an official complaint with the F.C.C.  and include Section 508
> violations in that complaint.  That will get attention.  I don't think
> jamal maxzrui is on this list, but he does work at the f.c.c.  and is
> interested in things like this.On Tue, 3 Jan 2012, Brett Boyer wrote:
> 
> Well don't hold your breath waiting for that.  It has been an
> ongoing problem
> and as far as I know even the iphone app which was somewhat 
> accessible has
> changed since the update and now is almost completely nonaccessible.  I
> subscribed to sirius for Howard Stern and as soon as I found an online
> alternative and realized how difficult the sirius website was
> to  navigate I
> unsubscribed.  When I talked to the people and explained why I 
> was
> unsubscribing they had no clue what I was talking about and put
> bad reception
> as my reason of cancelation.
> bb
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics andappliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] question about Sirius XM 
> Internet Radio
> 
> 
> I have the Starmate 5 receiver, and I agree with your friend that it is
> pretty usable, as has been said before.  However, there are some
> features to
> the radios which aren't available to us; reading the song title
> and artist,
> the channel name and number, and reading the call-in number for
> the channel
> you are listening to (if that channel has one,) as this information is
> displayed on the
> screen of the radio for sighted people.  All the on-screen
> menus and channel
> look-up features of the radio are also inaccessible.  There is
> a work-around
> to the channel lookup feature, which is to go to the program
> guide channel
> (channel 184 on Sirius) and listening for the channel name and 
> number you
> want.  However, this isn't near as fast as it would be for
> sighted people to
> just look up the channel in the menu.  For example, one day I 
> couldn't
> remember the channel number of a channel that I wanted to listen to, and
> went to the program guide channel, but had to wait for them to go through
> the whole programming lineup (probably a half an hour at least)
> just to hear
> the channel number for one channel, when I could have been 
> listening to
> something far more interesting! Their Web site isn't accessible
> either, so
> they leave a lot to be desired for us, and when talking to tech 
> support
> about this issue, it was as if I was talking to myself, as the guy was
> outsourced from India or somewhere and spoke very broken
> English.  So he had
> no idea what I was talking about.  I really hope the NFB acts on 
> that
> resolution from last year, if we haven't done so already, and I
> just didn't
> know about it.
> 
> Chris
> 
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and
> appliances"<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:17:33 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] question about Sirius XM 
> Internet Radio
> 
> A friend has the Starmate 4, bought at Radio Shack 4 years
> ago.  He is total
> and says it's pretty friendly.
> Vince
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 7:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] question about Sirius XM 
> Internet Radio
> 
> 
> Most of the satellite radio receivers are usable, that is you can move
> from channel to channel, go directly to a channel, and the like.  However
> many of the features of the radios are not available to us.  Each channel
> gives its number and name, each song and band are named, and some
> receivers have features to group things by genre etc.  There also may be
> menu-based settings for tone etc., which are not accessible.  I do not
> know of any satellite radio that turns the info on the display screen of
> the unit into speech or Braille.
> 
> So, as I say they are usable, but not completely accessible.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 07:31 PM 1/2/2012, you wrote:
> The receivers themselves are pretty accessible, I was asking 
> about
> Internet radio.
> 
> Chris
> 
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
> 
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the 
> Blind,
> 1968-1986
> 
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in
> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive
> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be
> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
> Foundation
> and to support our work, visit us online at 
> www.icanfoundation.info!
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and
> appliances"<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:13:02 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] question about Sirius XM 
> Internet Radio
> 
> At that time, I was told it was.  I don't know about now.
> The one thing I found annoying was, each time I signed in, I'd 
> have to
> enter
> the code of a captcha.  And since I had no one sighted around to 
> read it
> to
> me, That made me decide to forget it.  The verbal code never
> worked for me
> either.
> Again.  That was 3 years ago.  I haven't tried since so it may 
> be
> different
> now.
> I have a friend that just got a sat radio for Christmas that is 
> pretty
> accessible.  I'll ask him what the model is and share.
> Vince
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics andappliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] question about Sirius XM 
> Internet Radio
> 
> 
> Hi Vince,
> 
> So the app is accessible?
> 
> Chris
> 
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
> 
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the 
> Blind,
> 1968-1986
> 
> The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in
> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive
> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be
> equal with their sighted peers.  For more information about the
> Foundation
> and to support our work, visit us online at 
> www.icanfoundation.info!
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and
> appliances"<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 10:08:24 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] question about Sirius XM 
> Internet Radio
> 
> I tried subscribing about 3 years ago and I had trouble getting
> it to work
> for me.  I was also disappointed when I found out that some 
> shows weren't
> available online.  So I canceled and asked for a refund--which they said
> wasn't refundable.
> Hopefully they've changed.  I think most folks are using
> iPhones and other
> cellphones to listen to sat radio now.
> Vince
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Riehl" <realman02 at comcast.net
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] question about Sirius XM 
> Internet Radio
> 
> 
> Chris, it's very nice to meet you.  Welcome to the list!
> I'm also interested in the question of XM on-line accessibility.
> 
> I have never heard of Sirius XM Streamer, so I'd love to hear some
> comments
> on its accessibility.
> Again, welcome to the List, Chris -- and Happy New Year!
>  John
> 
> John Riehl
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
> Nusbaum
> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 1:54 PM
> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] question about Sirius XM Internet 
> Radio
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> First of all, I want to wish everyone on this list a very happy
> new year and say that I am new to this list! I'm 14 years old 
> and
> am in 8th grade in public school here in Maryland.  You have
> probably seen me on other NFB lists, the NABS (National
> Association of Blind Students) or Blind Talk list, as I'm very
> active in the Federation.  With that said, I have a question
> about Sirius XM Internet radio and accessibility.  Has anyone
> found a work-around to using Sirius XM's online radio service
> with JAWS? It seems to be inaccessible to me, at least the one 
> on
> siriusxm.com.  I have heard about a program called Sirius XM
> Streamer which makes the internet stream accessible.  But how
> does it work? Thanks for any help!
> 
> Chris
> 
> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year!
> 
> 
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