[Electronics-talk] Issues with Cox remote top boxes

GeorTsoukala at aol.com GeorTsoukala at aol.com
Wed Jan 25 01:23:00 UTC 2012


Maybe we can get them to understand that. They do understand money. with  
the population getting older they stand to make even more money if they make  
things accessible. 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2012 8:11:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com writes:

If the  companies would just understand that if they just spenta little 
money 
to  get accessible boxes, they would make even more money, we could use the 
on  demand, and order movies, they would make the money back, then some.
Its  just like sattlelight radeo, I know of 9 people off the top of my 
head,  
not counting my self, it it was fully accessible, we would get it.
Most  blind people that I know have the I phone, because like I said, apple 
gets  it.
I see both sides though, forcing companies to do this, its a free  market, 
but at the same time, we get left behind.
Just like blind  parents can't go in and block content without sighted 
help, 
and that's not  fair.
But that's my soapbox.

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
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Sent:  Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Issues  with Cox remote top boxes


How much you want to bet it aint gonna  even pass congress or even if it 
does, that it aint gonna result in  anything much at all?


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On  Jan 24, 2012, at 5:44 PM, GeorTsoukala at aol.com wrote:

> It is the  Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility 
Act.
> I  have copied an article below.
> George
>
>
>   AccessWorld ®
> Technology and People Who Are  Blind or  Visually Impaired
>
>
>
>
>
> January 2012  Issue  Volume 13  Number  1
>
>
> From AFB's  Policy  Center
> The Twenty-First Century Communications and Video  Accessibility Act:
> Highlights of a New Landmark Communications  Law
> Mark Richert
>
> If you would have told me a decade  ago that one day there would be a law
> requiring virtually all text  communication, mobile phone Web browsers, 
> TVs,
> and   broadcast emergency alerts to be fully accessible to people who are
>  blind or  visually impaired, I would likely have told you to keep  
> dreaming. But
> if you  also told me that this same  legislation would be stronger than 
any
> communications law for people  with disabilities previously enacted, that 
> it
> would result in  more than 60 hours a week of described video programming,
> and,   amazingly, that it would permanently make up to $10 million per 
year
>  available  to put expensive communications equipment in the hands of  
> people
> who are  deaf-blind, I might have told you that  you have a rich, albeit 
> nerdy,
> fantasy   life.
>
> As incredible as it sounds, such legislation is now the  law of the land,
> thanks to the passage of the Twenty-First Century  Communications and 
Video
> Accessibility Act, or CVAA. While readers of  AccessWorld are no doubt 
some 
> of
> the more savvy and connected  folks who follow developments in technology
> policy,  this brief  rundown of what the CVAA does was written to provide 
a
> better   understanding of the changes people who are blind or visually 
>  impaired
> can and  should expect from the communications, consumer  electronics, and
> video  programming industries.
>
>  Communications
> Long before the CVAA became law,  telecommunications  equipment
> manufacturers and service providers  had some limited responsibilities  
for 
> ensuring that
>  people with disabilities could independently make phone calls  and use  
> both
> traditional and mobile phone technologies. Under  these  long-standing
> rules, the equipment and services provided  need only be accessible  when 
> doing so
> doesn't require a  company to invest much money or effort to make  it
> happen. What's  more, with some exceptions-such as caller ID and address 
> book
>  functions-the old rules were limited to phone call accessibility. The  
many
> common functions people use their phones for today, such as text  
> messaging,
> email, and browsing the Internet, were not  covered. That's where the 
CVAA 
> comes
> in. Now, companies that  make communications equipment or offer related
> services  must  make advanced functions such as electronic messaging 
>  accessible
> unless it's  simply not possible to do so. In effect,  the CVAA raises the
> bar considerably in  terms of what companies  are expected to do for
> communications accessibility, and  goes a  long way to clarify 
> accessibility standards
> and  responsibilities.
>
> Any time a member of Congress talks about  regulating something related to
> the Internet, people get skittish. So  when access advocates made it clear
> that  full accessibility,  including Internet accessibility, was required 
> if
>  people  with vision impairment were to have full use of the devices  and
> services they  pay for, both industry and Congress got a bit  nervous.
> Nevertheless, advocates  insisted that any law lauding  itself as a 
> twenty-first century
> accessibility law  had  to deal with the Internet. As a result, the CVAA 
> does
> cover  Internet access,  but in a bit of a limited way. The CVAA states 
>  that
> whenever electronic  messaging is offered-whether it's on a  mobile ph
one, 
> a
> desk phone, a desktop  computer, or some  other device-it must be 
> accessible
> to people with   disabilities. In the case of Internet browsing, however,
> the law is a  bit  narrower. Only the browsers on mobile phones need to be
>  accessible, and the  CVAA, rather unusually and disappointingly, limits  
> this
> accessibility  requirement to those who are blind  or visually impaired. 
> Those
> with other  disabilities are  not covered.
>
> Though the electronic messaging and Internet  browser access requirements
> are already considered to be in effect,  noncompliance complaints will 
not 
> be
> heard by the Federal  Communications Commission (FCC) until October 2013.
> Why  this  strange timeline? The law was signed by President Obama on 
>  October
> 8, 2010,  and the FCC was required to issue regulations  implementing the 
> new
> law one year  from that date. As  part of the process for developing those
> rules, the FCC heard   from industry that at least a two-year transition 
> period
>  would be required to  adequately prepare for the new mandates.  The
> accessibility community raised  strong objections to the  two-year delay, 
> so the FCC
> compromised by requiring   that the new access obligations begin 
> immediately,
> but that  complaints about  noncompliance won't be entertained until the
>  two-year window has passed. So,  starting in October of 2013, a 
complaint  
> can
> be filed with the FCC concerning  equipment or  service inaccessibility
> experienced at any time, including   retroactive complaints dating back 
to 
> the
> start of the law's  implementation. In  other words, if you buy a mobile 
> phone  in
> 2012 that doesn't offer you accessible  text messaging or  e-mail
> functionality, you can complain to the FCC about it-in   October of 2013. 
> In any event,
> once the complaint is filed,  the FCC will work  with you to resolve the
> complaint with the  company. If the complaint is not  resolved, the FCC 
> will
>  make a final determination-which could involve anything  from a finding  
> that
> your complaint is without merit or that the company  violated  the
> accessibility law-within six months. If a company  is found to have 
> violated  the CVAA,
> it may be liable  for financial penalties (payable to the United  States),
> and/or  maybe required to a change in behavior on the company's part to 
>  ensure
> accessibility going forward. The FCC is also empowered to make  the 
> consumer
> whole, meaning that complaint resolution should  include putting an
> accessible phone in the hand of the consumer at no  additional cost, even 
> if the
> accessible phone is a higher  priced, more feature-rich device.
>
> Video Programming
> As  exciting as the CVAA communications requirements  are in terms of  
their
> potential to revolutionize our personal and workplace   inclusion and
> competitiveness, the CVAA video programming provisions  are sure to  be 
> among the
> new law's most popular  features. First and foremost is the CVAA 
> unambiguous
>  requirement that greatly increases the availability of video  
description  
> of
> prime-time and children's programming. While PBS has  offered  described
> programming for years and a couple national  broadcast networks have 
> described a
> few programs here and  there, the commercial broadcasting, cable, and
> motion picture  industries have fought tooth and nail to prevent video
> description  from becoming a right of the blind and visually impaired 
>  television
> audience. The CVAA unambiguously establishes that the four  national 
> broadcast
> networks, ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox, as well  as the top-ranked channels' 
USA, 
> the
> Disney Channel, TNT,  Nickelodeon, and TBS, must describe at least 50 
hours
> of  their  prime-time and/or children's programming during each calendar
>  quarter.  That's an average of at least four hours per  week.
>
> These new video description regulations make a bit of a  distinction 
> between
> the obligation of the CVAA-covered  networks to provide description and 
the
> obligations of your local  station or rural cable company to pass that
> description on to you.  There are some protections in the CVAA for small 
> cable
>  providers and for local stations that would experience a serious
>  technological  and/or financial burden in order to provide the service.  
> That said,
> since  passing through description shouldn't  be a big technical or 
> financial
> deal for  almost every  station and cable provider in America, we should 
> assume
>  that  description will be very widely available.
>
> So,  beginning next July, what do you do if your favorite show isn't being
>  described or you can't seem to get your hands on a description? You of
>  course  can contact your local station or cable provider and ask them 
how  
> to
> receive  their pass-through of the described  programming. You can also 
> contact
> the  national networks  to request that a given program be described. If 
> your
>  local  station or cable provider tells you that they do not pass 
>  description
> through or  that they don't know how to make it  happen for you, you can
> lodge a complaint  with the FCC. While  the station or cable provider 
might
> reply that they don't  have  to guarantee description and/or that passing
> description through  would  constitute prohibitive cost, the FCC needs to 
>  determine

> whether either of those  claims is true. As a side  note: the disability
> community asked the FCC to set  parameters  for stations and cable 
> providers who
> might claim that  getting  technically up to speed to pass description
> through  would require more than a  modest cost, and the FCC  declined.
>
> A related issue is how to tune into a program if our  TV and/or cable box 
> or
> satellite equipment is itself  inaccessible. The CVAA states that digital
> TVs and  other devices  that receive and play broadcast and cable 
> programming
> must  have  controls that allow people with vision loss to use all
>  programming-relevant  menus, to scan channels, to easily turn on 
>  description for
> programs offering it,  and to manipulate any and  all features related to 
> these
> functions. Gone will be   the days when simply using the volume control
> requires sighted  assistance.
>
> As always, there are a few provisos. While  equipment like digital TVs 
will
> have to provide accessible controls  and menus out of the box, cable and
> satellite providers need only make  their equipment accessible upon the 
> request
> of a customer.  Why the difference? Well, some tech experts have pointed
> out  that  the set-top box's days are numbered in terms of being the 
>  primary
> way for cable  and satellite companies to securely  deliver their 
> programming,
> so including them  in the law  would be legislating a dying technology.
> Regardless, whether  access  is built into the device or provided upon 
>  request,
> it's clearly required by the  CVAA. Implementation of  this requirement is
> still being defined, but will  certainly take  place over multiple years. 
> AFB is
> playing a leadership role  in  this process, joining industry and 
advocates
> to set the  direction the FCC will  follow in issuing the next major set 
of
>  regulations to make all this possible.  It's a slow process, but in the  
> end it
> will result in substantial improvements  to  accessibility.
>
> Other Key Benefits of the CVAA
> As  mentioned earlier, the CVAA will break  down enormous barriers for  
> those
> of us who are deaf-blind by establishing, for  the  first time, a clear 
and
> substantial source of funding for the  often  incredibly expensive 
> equipment
> needed to  communicate interpersonally and via the  telephone or the
>  Internet. This $10-million program, administered by the FCC  through an  
> array of
> agreements with organizations and consortia from  around the  country, 
will
> provide both equipment and training in  the use of equipment.  Methods for
> procuring equipment and  receiving training will depend on location.  As 
of 
> this
>  writing, the FCC is still setting up various agreements with regional
>  organizations and agencies, but the bottom line is that the CVAA will 
fill  
> a  huge
> gap by creating a reliable resource  pipeline.
>
> The CVAA also fills a gap in the way emergency  information is broadcast 
to
> those of us who can't see on-screen text.  The status quo simply alerts 
the
> viewer with vision loss about  emergency information through a simple 
tone.
> The  CVAA says that  the FCC will establish more meaningful ways for 
> viewers
>  with  vision loss to access emergency information, particularly  through
> audible  messages containing the text of the displayed  emergency alert. 
> AFB is
> leading  advocacy efforts as the  FCC hammers out the specifics of this
> element of the   law.
>
> Future Issues
> Of course no single law can  anticipate every contingency  or address 
every
>  problem-particularly a law concerned with communications 
>  accessibility-but
> the CVAA does tackle a wide array of barriers to  access.  Devices that
> aren't yet covered by the CVAA but that  will clearly need to be  
addressed 
> in the
> future  include:
>
> Hand-held gaming devices that also allow users to  text each other.
> TVs  that connect to the Internet and allow  phone calls.
> The increasing number of  devices that can connect  to the Internet but 
are
> not within the communications  and  entertainment realm, such as the 
> kitchen
> appliance or the  thermostat that  can be manipulated from the cloud.
> With respect  to multi-function devices,  like the gaming device that also
>  offers text messaging, the CVAA regulations  state that the FCC will  
look
> both to the way a device is designed and how the  device is  marketed to
> determine what the primary purpose of a given device   really is. If that 
> primary
> purpose is not a communications  function covered by  the CVAA, the 
device 
> need
> not be  accessible. So, does the gaming device that  offers text  
messaging
> need to be accessible? If the device is designed to  allow  the user to 
> send
> and receive text messages  between individuals and is at all  marketed 
for 
> its
>  ability to do so, it should be covered by the CVAA. That said,  the  CVAA
> allows industry to petition the FCC for a waiver of coverage  for
> mixed-function devices that they argue have a primary purpose  other than 
> CVAA-covered
> communication. We'll have to watch  for any such petitions and  respond
> accordingly. We also need to  do a much better job in our community with 
> complaint
>  generation and follow-through. While it's true that the FCC doesn't  
have  
> a
> very good track record of aggressive enforcement of  communications
> accessibility laws, it's equally true that the  disability community has 
> generated
> precious few complaints to  hold industry accountable for the uniformly 
> bad
> job it has  done to make traditional and mobile phones accessible. If the
> vast  array of new expectations created by the CVAA are going to have any
>  meaning, individual consumers must refuse to put up with unusable 
>  technology and
> be willing to make their voices heard through the  complaint process.
> Remember  that if you think that a device  you're using is noncompliant, 
> and
> you're willing  to  take action, AFB stands ready to help as you navigate 
> your  way
> through the  complaint process.
>
> Comment on  This Article
>
>
>
> Copyright © 2012 American  Foundation for the Blind. All rights reserved.
> AccessWorld is a  trademark of the American Foundation for the   Blind.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a  message dated 1/24/2012 6:15:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>  dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com writes:
>
> Do you  know what bill it  is, I couldn't find it, I wasn't aware that it
> had
>  passed
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From:   <GeorTsoukala at aol.com>
> To:   <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012  5:08  PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Issues with Cox remote  top  boxes
>
>
>> I believe it was part of the law  that passed in  2012.
>>
>>
>>
>> In  a message dated 1/24/2012 3:18:12  P.M. Eastern Standard  Time,
>> dewey.bradley at kc.rr.com   writes:
>>
>> Isn't  there a bill in congress to  require  companies to make that stuff
>>  accessible?
>>
>> -----  Original Message -----  
>> From: "Julie  Phillipson"   <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
>> To: "Tony Sohl"    <tonysohl at cox.net>; "Discussion of accessible
>  electronics
>> and  appliances"  <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent:  Tuesday, January  24,  2012 2:04 PM
>> Subject: Re:  [Electronics-talk]  Issues with Cox remote top    boxes
>>
>>
>>> a few years ago there was some  articles I  think in the  monitor but it
> may
>>>  have been from access world  or could have been  both.  It  compared a 
>>> few
>>> models as to  which were  the easier ones  to use.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Julie Phillipson
>>> ----- Original  Message -----  
>>> From: "Tony Sohl" <tonysohl at cox.net>
>>>  To:   <Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent:  Tuesday, January 24,  2012  1:40 PM
>>> Subject:  [Electronics-talk] Issues with Cox  remote top   boxes
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi I was   wondering are there any accessible  cable boxes on the 
market
>>  or
>>>> any way I can access the menus such  as turning on  the  second audio
>>>> program for DVS? If anyone  has  some  suggestions, then let me know.
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