[Electronics-talk] List manners [WAS "Re: Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics UpFor Now"]

Ray Foret Jr rforetjr at att.net
Tue Jun 5 13:08:07 UTC 2012


Well, normally, I do spell check.  Blind people ain't the only people who spell badly you know.  


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

> I don't think proper spelling or use of a spell checker gives someone
> the right to be rude and talk down to someone else on the list. This is
> just me but seems a bit hypocritical in my mind.
> 
> On 05/06/12 07:15, Gabe Vega wrote:
>> I was just making a comment that if you are going to come on this list and act all snarky and try and down talk a fellow subscriber, at least spell correctly. do blind people know how Goofy they look by the way they spell. Geeze. or use spell check or something. :-)
>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Macbook Air
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>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Stephen Guerra wrote:
>> 
>>> Nothing, that is his whole existence 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of from tim aune
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:08 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics
>>> UpFor Now
>>> 
>>> What does this have to do with electronics talk?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gabe Vega
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:45 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics
>>> UpFor Now
>>> 
>>> all I want to know is, why can't blind people spell? and you wonder why the
>>> unemployment rate is 70% I wouldn't hire anyone that couldn't spell.
>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Macbook Air
>>> Phone Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
>>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/blindtech
>>> Website: http://thebt.net
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:30 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Okay.  You want to throw down the gontlet like that do you mister 
>>>> nagativity?  Fine!  I accept your chalendge.  When the radio comes, I 
>>>> will do a recording on exactly what happens with the out of the box 
>>>> experience as a blind person.  I will also go in to a detailed 
>>>> description of how the unit works.  Who knows, I might even rub it in 
>>>> your nose a little.  You think you can do better?  Why don't you then?  
>>>> Look, I'm not flaming here; at least, I sure don't mean it that way; 
>>>> but, the plain fact is this.  YOu never have anything good to say 
>>>> about anyone or anything.  YOu want completely accessible everything 
>>>> yesterday and threten to sue if you don't get it; and then, when 
>>>> somebody does come along and give it a try, you put it down.  I was 
>>>> planning a recording on the subject of the radio even before your
>>> chalendge to do one.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry Dave; but, frankly, I've just about had it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Skype name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just visited the product support page for the Narrator "talking" HD 
>>>>> clock radio and perused both the User Manual and standard Quick Start 
>>>>> Guide.  To my great dismay, there is no mention of the speech 
>>>>> function or any other special accessibility features in either 
>>>>> document.  There is supposed to be a special quick start guide for 
>>>>> visually impaired consumers, but it is not listed on the product 
>>>>> support page.  In fact, reading both documents was enough to turn me 
>>>>> off to this radio, because without any explanation of the 
>>>>> blind-friendly accessibility features, this radio, which is menu 
>>>>> driven, sounds like it would be difficult for a blind user to master.  
>>>>> But this is not at all surprising, given that Insignia has a 
>>>>> reputation for designing schlocky products.  Remember the 
>>>>> voice-command talking clock radio it sold a few years ago?  It was 
>>>>> plagued by so many technical glitches that it was quickly 
>>>>> discontinued and wound up being sold on Cowboom for only $8.  I got 
>>>>> stuck with one of these lemons , which now serves as a paperweight.  
>>>>> So until someone does a comprehensive podcast that explains how to 
>>>>> set up and use the Narrator radio, I will remain skeptical  and hold off
>>> on ordering one, and advise others to do  likewise.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gerald
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:22 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics 
>>>>> Up For Now
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best Buy is going to be selling a new HD Radio--called the 
>>>>>> Narrator--starting in July. The radio, which was manufactured with 
>>>>>> the blind in mind, will be selling for $99. If you want the added 
>>>>>> two year protection plan, you will need to pay an extra $14.99.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "With The Narrator coming to market, people with visual disabilities 
>>>>>> will have a radio that they can program and tune themselves," said 
>>>>>> Dave Noble, chairman of government relations for IAAIS.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For years, blind people have had to pay a lot of money for radios 
>>>>>> with single purpose receivers that provided low audio quality.  Now, 
>>>>>> the Narrator, a table top receiver, speaks commands as soon as a 
>>>>>> blind or visually impaired person turns it on. However, this feature 
>>>>>> can be turned off so that a sighted person can use the radio silently as
>>> well.
>>>>>> This makes the radio have universal appeal for everyone and will 
>>>>>> also help to keep the price lower.  With speech turned on, the radio 
>>>>>> will announce the artist and song, and will show and announce visual 
>>>>>> images as well. The radio is also equipped with large buttons with 
>>>>>> raised lettering.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Another great feature is that the radio comes with a PDF Quick Start 
>>>>>> Guide, along with a user manual. In addition, you can get the 
>>>>>> warranty information as a PDF document as well. All of these 
>>>>>> documents can be downloaded from the Best Buy website and have been 
>>>>>> verified to be accessible with screen readers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The radio was created with input from the International Association 
>>>>>> of Audio Information Services, the group that represents Radio 
>>>>>> Reading Services.  The radio manufacturer chose to partner with the 
>>>>>> IAAIS to help identify and solve issues for the everyday technology 
>>>>>> needs of people with visual disabilities.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Narrator will be promoted on air by iBiquity and its alliance 
>>>>>> member stations. It will be marketed under the Best Buy Insignia brand.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While the visually impaired community has had other radio companies 
>>>>>> create accessible products (C. Crane comes to mind), it's fantastic 
>>>>>> to see that a very large electronics company like Best Buy is taking 
>>>>>> an interest in accessible products and teaming up with organizations 
>>>>>> who can help them design the radio from the ground up.  It's also 
>>>>>> incredibly beneficial that they created a product that is equally 
>>>>>> usable for both the sighted and visually impaired--an important 
>>>>>> element in keeping the cost as low as possible.  Hopefully, others 
>>>>>> will follow the lead of companies like Best Buy and Apple and begin 
>>>>>> building accessibility into their products that can serve everyone
>>> equally.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sources: 
>>>>>> http://radioworld.com/article/best-buy-takes-pre-orders-for-'the-nar
>>>>>> rator'-/213556
>>>>>> http://www.dealerscope.com/article/best-buy-debuts-talking-hd-radio/
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> 
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