[Electronics-talk] List manners [WAS "Re: Best Buy's HDRadio May Shut Us Skeptics UpFor Now"]

Tue Jun 5 15:41:27 UTC 2012

I try to be a fair man.
Gabe's misspelling was a point.  Now, as that great philosopher and crusader 
of peace Rodney King said, "Let's cool our jets and just get along."
Vince

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Wayland" <larry.wayland at arkansas.gov>
To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'" 
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] List manners [WAS "Re: Best Buy's HDRadio 
May Shut Us Skeptics UpFor Now"]

> Gabe:
> You were griping about people who can't spell. Would you mind taking a 
> look at how you spelled "Probably" in this message?
> Sorry folks about being off topic, I just couldn't resist.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:33 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] List manners [WAS "Re: Best Buy's HD Radio 
> May Shut Us Skeptics UpFor Now"]
>
> my email was started because of how Ray was talking to Jarred, so if we 
> want to talk about how users act towards each other we should proably 
> start at him. right?
> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Macbook Air
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> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
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>
> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>
>> I don't think proper spelling or use of a spell checker gives someone
>> the right to be rude and talk down to someone else on the list. This is
>> just me but seems a bit hypocritical in my mind.
>>
>> On 05/06/12 07:15, Gabe Vega wrote:
>>> I was just making a comment that if you are going to come on this list 
>>> and act all snarky and try and down talk a fellow subscriber, at least 
>>> spell correctly. do blind people know how Goofy they look by the way 
>>> they spell. Geeze. or use spell check or something. :-)
>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Macbook Air
>>> Phone Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
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>>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Stephen Guerra wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nothing, that is his whole existence
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Guerra
>>>> Assistive Technology and Technical Operations Specialist
>>>> Independent living aids, LLC
>>>> 200 Robbins Lane
>>>> Jericho, New York 11753-2341
>>>> Phone: 800.537.2118
>>>> Direct: 516.450.3817
>>>> Fax: 516.450.3842
>>>> E-mail: stephen at independentliving.com
>>>> Web sites: www.independentliving.com
>>>> www.soundbytes.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of from tim aune
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:08 AM
>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us 
>>>> Skeptics
>>>> UpFor Now
>>>>
>>>> What does this have to do with electronics talk?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Gabe Vega
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:45 AM
>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us 
>>>> Skeptics
>>>> UpFor Now
>>>>
>>>> all I want to know is, why can't blind people spell? and you wonder why 
>>>> the
>>>> unemployment rate is 70% I wouldn't hire anyone that couldn't spell.
>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Macbook Air
>>>> Phone Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
>>>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/blindtech
>>>> Website: http://thebt.net
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:30 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Okay.  You want to throw down the gontlet like that do you mister
>>>>> nagativity?  Fine!  I accept your chalendge.  When the radio comes, I
>>>>> will do a recording on exactly what happens with the out of the box
>>>>> experience as a blind person.  I will also go in to a detailed
>>>>> description of how the unit works.  Who knows, I might even rub it in
>>>>> your nose a little.  You think you can do better?  Why don't you then?
>>>>> Look, I'm not flaming here; at least, I sure don't mean it that way;
>>>>> but, the plain fact is this.  YOu never have anything good to say
>>>>> about anyone or anything.  YOu want completely accessible everything
>>>>> yesterday and threten to sue if you don't get it; and then, when
>>>>> somebody does come along and give it a try, you put it down.  I was
>>>>> planning a recording on the subject of the radio even before your
>>>> chalendge to do one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry Dave; but, frankly, I've just about had it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just visited the product support page for the Narrator "talking" HD
>>>>>> clock radio and perused both the User Manual and standard Quick Start
>>>>>> Guide.  To my great dismay, there is no mention of the speech
>>>>>> function or any other special accessibility features in either
>>>>>> document.  There is supposed to be a special quick start guide for
>>>>>> visually impaired consumers, but it is not listed on the product
>>>>>> support page.  In fact, reading both documents was enough to turn me
>>>>>> off to this radio, because without any explanation of the
>>>>>> blind-friendly accessibility features, this radio, which is menu
>>>>>> driven, sounds like it would be difficult for a blind user to master.
>>>>>> But this is not at all surprising, given that Insignia has a
>>>>>> reputation for designing schlocky products.  Remember the
>>>>>> voice-command talking clock radio it sold a few years ago?  It was
>>>>>> plagued by so many technical glitches that it was quickly
>>>>>> discontinued and wound up being sold on Cowboom for only $8.  I got
>>>>>> stuck with one of these lemons , which now serves as a paperweight.
>>>>>> So until someone does a comprehensive podcast that explains how to
>>>>>> set up and use the Narrator radio, I will remain skeptical  and hold 
>>>>>> off
>>>> on ordering one, and advise others to do  likewise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gerald
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:22 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics
>>>>>> Up For Now
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Buy is going to be selling a new HD Radio--called the
>>>>>>> Narrator--starting in July. The radio, which was manufactured with
>>>>>>> the blind in mind, will be selling for $99. If you want the added
>>>>>>> two year protection plan, you will need to pay an extra $14.99.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "With The Narrator coming to market, people with visual disabilities
>>>>>>> will have a radio that they can program and tune themselves," said
>>>>>>> Dave Noble, chairman of government relations for IAAIS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For years, blind people have had to pay a lot of money for radios
>>>>>>> with single purpose receivers that provided low audio quality.  Now,
>>>>>>> the Narrator, a table top receiver, speaks commands as soon as a
>>>>>>> blind or visually impaired person turns it on. However, this feature
>>>>>>> can be turned off so that a sighted person can use the radio 
>>>>>>> silently as
>>>> well.
>>>>>>> This makes the radio have universal appeal for everyone and will
>>>>>>> also help to keep the price lower.  With speech turned on, the radio
>>>>>>> will announce the artist and song, and will show and announce visual
>>>>>>> images as well. The radio is also equipped with large buttons with
>>>>>>> raised lettering.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another great feature is that the radio comes with a PDF Quick Start
>>>>>>> Guide, along with a user manual. In addition, you can get the
>>>>>>> warranty information as a PDF document as well. All of these
>>>>>>> documents can be downloaded from the Best Buy website and have been
>>>>>>> verified to be accessible with screen readers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The radio was created with input from the International Association
>>>>>>> of Audio Information Services, the group that represents Radio
>>>>>>> Reading Services.  The radio manufacturer chose to partner with the
>>>>>>> IAAIS to help identify and solve issues for the everyday technology
>>>>>>> needs of people with visual disabilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Narrator will be promoted on air by iBiquity and its alliance
>>>>>>> member stations. It will be marketed under the Best Buy Insignia 
>>>>>>> brand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While the visually impaired community has had other radio companies
>>>>>>> create accessible products (C. Crane comes to mind), it's fantastic
>>>>>>> to see that a very large electronics company like Best Buy is taking
>>>>>>> an interest in accessible products and teaming up with organizations
>>>>>>> who can help them design the radio from the ground up.  It's also
>>>>>>> incredibly beneficial that they created a product that is equally
>>>>>>> usable for both the sighted and visually impaired--an important
>>>>>>> element in keeping the cost as low as possible.  Hopefully, others
>>>>>>> will follow the lead of companies like Best Buy and Apple and begin
>>>>>>> building accessibility into their products that can serve everyone
>>>> equally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sources:
>>>>>>> http://radioworld.com/article/best-buy-takes-pre-orders-for-'the-nar
>>>>>>> rator'-/213556
>>>>>>> http://www.dealerscope.com/article/best-buy-debuts-talking-hd-radio/
>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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