[Electronics-talk] OCR Scanners

Mon Jun 11 14:51:36 UTC 2012

Gabe,

If you read his note carefully, he is talking about the menus that appear on the LCD display and not the 
menus that show up on a computer screen.  What he is saying is misleading as some of these all-in-one 
devices do permit some of the setup to be done with a computer and with software.  Contrary to what you 
are saying, though, some of these printers can be set up under Windows.  I do not doubt that there are 
probably cases where VoiceOver may do a better job than Windows screen readers.  For one thing, some 
JAVA support is more integrated with VoiceOver.  These things are often more complicated than it seems 
on the surface, though, and I think it makes sense to read the notes carefully before insulting people.  

I think the days that most people assume something will work on Windows and not on the MAC are passed.  
There are times when either platform will do better than the other, and some of us are forced to work in 
Windows because of requirements of our employers, for example.  Words like "chop shop" and 
"brainwashed" are words designed to generate anger.  It would be interesting to have specific examples 
of setup procedures that are known to work on the MAC and not under Windows so pressure can be put on 
Windows screen readers to keep up.  For now, we need to do what we can to keep both platforms as 
accessible as possible since we have to deal with both.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 06:07:09 -0700, Gabe Vega wrote:

>excuse me chop chop. are you telling me I'd come on to a public list, and risk my credibility to 
potential customers that would  research me and say something so outlandish that I would lie about being 
able to install these? have you ever installed one of these on a mac? can you with definite positivity 
tell me it can't be done? are you so brain washed by jaws and windows that you can't believe that 
software is so much more accessible as a standard on Mac OS?. believe it buddy, it happens every day. 
this is why I use a mac.
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>On Jun 11, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

>> 
>> Excuse me, but all-in-one scanner/printer/copier/fax units that have LCD displays whit onscreen menus 
most definitely need sighted assistance to set up.  There is no way a blind person can navigate through 
the menu options displayed on these units' built-in screens.  There are no all-in-one units on the 
market that have built-in speech of their own, so it doesn't matter whether you are using a Mac or a 
Windows PC with JAWS; you still need sighted help.
>> 
>> Gerald
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 8:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] OCR Scanners
>> 
>> 
>>> I would just like to note for mac owners these set ups where you need sighted assistence with jaws 
are fully accessible with voiceover on the mac, I've set up several of these for my job and I have to 
say, I wonder why people keep themselves behind using such as outdated old day technology.
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>>> On Jun 11, 2012, at 5:20 AM, Elizabeth Campbell wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> I recently purchased the Epson Workforce 545 all-in-one unit, and i'm quite
>>>> happy with it.
>>>> 
>>>> I bought it on sale from Best Buy for $99,and the sales clerk let me test it
>>>> with the K1000 software version 12 before I purchased the product.
>>>> 
>>>> The initial printer setup and software installation, including setting up
>>>> the wireless features, requires sighted assistance. However, once everything
>>>> is installed, the Epson works quite nicely.
>>>> 
>>>> I can even scan without having the machine connected to my computer which is
>>>> nice.
>>>> 
>>>> Have a great day all.
>>>> 
>>>> Liz
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:33 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] OCR Scanners
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Linda for what its worth I have had four or five scanners over the years
>>>>> and I think any flat bed scanner will do what you want.  It is the
>>>>> software that is the key I once had an HP deskjet all in one that worked
>>>>> fine right out of the box.  It even had its own OCR software and I just
>>>>> had to configure it to automatically do that.  The printing function
>>>>> wasn't that great though and used a lot of ink.  I have an Epson now and
>>>>> its software is not very accessible I can't install it myself at all but
>>>>> once it is ready I can use it better but I can only get it to do PDF
>>>>> format and it is not accessible PDF so then it has to be run through the
>>>>> other program to make it usable. scans great but I have to use it with OCR
>>>>> software such as openbook or K1000 the scanner is the cheep part of the
>>>>> deal.  I don't know if HP software is the same as it was but I've heard it
>>>>> is not but not sure.  Mind you it doesn't quite do all the things that
>>>>> openbook or K1000 does but it reads it just fine.
>>>>> Julie Phillipson
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Bloodsaw" <lbloodsaw2018 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] OCR Scanners
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I need to buy a scanner in order to read my snail mail and other paper
>>>>>> documents.  I am asking for recommendations.  Thanks.
>>>>>> 
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