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Jennifer Hall
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Tue Sep 4 20:33:25 UTC 2012
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> 1. Re: I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the
> iPhone to be fixed *frown* (James Aldrich)
> 2. Re: I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the
> iPhone to be fixed *frown* (Drew Hunthausen)
> 3. Re: I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the
> iPhone to be fixed *frown* (Jenny Keller)
> 4. Re: I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the
> iPhone to be fixed *frown* (David Evans)
> 5. Re: I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the
> iPhone to be fixed *frown* (Drew Hunthausen)
> 6. Re: I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the
> iPhone to be fixed *frown* (Jenny Keller)
> 7. Re: I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the
> iPhone to be fixed *frown* (Jim Barbour)
> 8. Re: I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the
> iPhone to be fixed *frown* (James Aldrich)
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> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 12:19:09 -0800
> From: James Aldrich <jajkaldrich at gmail.com>
> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but
> finally sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
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> all,
>
> My wife got a Verizon insurance plan. She had a problem with her IPhone 4S. I called Verizon and she got a new phone within 24 hours. I helped her set it up with her ICloud account. All seems to be okay now even though the original problem wasn't solved. This had to do with going to speaker phone by moving it further back from her ear. We aren't certain why we haven't been able to fix this. My particular phone is working nicely.
>
> I'm writing this on my Voice Sense and the only way I can get it to connect is through my personal hot spot I had activated with my share everything account from Verizon. The VS doesn't work with my cable provider. The personal hot spot is quite a feature but don't imagine myself using it often.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> ,f3 ,j5ny ,kell] <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> ,to3 ,4cus.n ( a3essi# electronics & appli.es <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>,
> Date: Tuesday, Aug 21, 2012 05:11:47 PM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the iPhone to be fixed ininfrown*
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Due to the responses on this list, and the fact that a lot of people have said that what I'm experiencing with SIRI just doesn't seem to be usual, I contacted Apple, and asked that my iPhone be replaced.
>>
>> Unfortunately though, I had to send it in today and am without any cell phone till the new one gets here.
>>
>> If I had the money, they would've sent me a new one, charged my card for the new one till my old one got back there, and then replaced the money. That unfortunately couldn't happen. so here I am, without a cell phone.
>>
>> I hope to get a new one soon, and that most of my major SIRI issues are resolved.
>>
>> thanks for all of your advice.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>
>>> Keep in mind that the present version of Siri is a beta version. It's
>>> very unusual that beta software would be included in a publically
>>> released product, but what is usual about Apple? (SMILE)!
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
> @> @> -----Original Message-----
> @> @> ,f3 electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:43 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android phone
>>>
>>> Hi Jim and all,
>>>
>>> I asked AT&T if Jelly Bean was even out, and they told me not yet on
>>> their end.
>>>
>>> the Android phones that I've seen that run Ice Cream Sandwich are much
>>> more of a pain than I think they're worth.
>>>
>>> I restored my iPhone 4S to factory settings and put all my junk back on
>>> it. Hopefully that will solve SIRI's attitude ininsmile*.
>>>
>>> I still have to re-download my apps again, but that's for another day
>>> next week as my husband is going to be baptized tomorrow and I frankly
>>> don't have the time or energy, or even, not to be a brat, but
>>> inclination, to do it right now as you all can imagine.
>>>
>>> If nothing else, I'll just wait till the new iPhone update to 6 comes
>>> out and hope that SIRI's bugs have been fixed.
>>>
>>> Have a great night and weekend.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, we've moved far away from the original question which was
>>>> recomendations for an android phone.
>>>>
>>>> I said some of this earlier, but I'll repeat it and add more here.
>>>>
>>>> First, I highly recommend trying to make the iPhone work for you. I
>>>> believe it really is the best option out there.
>>>>
>>>> Next, if you really want to try out an android phone, look for one
>>>> that hsi running Jelly Bean. The Jelly Bean version of talkBack now
>>>> has the "explore by touch" technology built into the phone, which
>>>> makes for a much nicer user experience for blind users.
>>>>
>>>> As to which phone to get, I can recommend the "droid 4" phone, which
>>>> runs on Verizon. For other carriers, you'll need to ask around. Some
>>>> things you'll care about are...
>>>>
>>>> * Does the phone have a physical keyboard, D-pad, joystick etc? How
>>>> do they feel in your hand?
>>>> NOTE: you don't have to have these controls to use an android
>>>> phone running Jelly Bean, but it really will help.
>>>> * Does the phone run Jelly Bean?
>>>> * How is the phone's battery life?
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:03:37AM com0400, Julie Phillipson wrote:
>>>>> hay you can get ear buds that have different size covers for small,
>>>>> medium and large and they block out noise around you. I get them for
>>>>> 10 bucks at drug store.com. They are like the old style ear bud that
>>>>> goes into the ear not just sit at the opening of the ear. Those
>>>>> other kind of buds hurt my ears too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Phillipson
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
> @> >>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> @> >>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>> phone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have very small ear connals, and very small ears that make it hard
>>>>>> to find a bluetooth headset that fits properly that doesn't cost a
>>> fortune.
>>>>>> I have one that sort of works, but it causes pain after wearing it
>>>>>> for any long periods of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, our bus terminal is in a fowl neighborhood and some of the
>>>>>> people who ride the bus are not the kind of people you'd want to let
>>>>>> know that you have an iPhone 4S.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love the joke though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can something on your head cause a pain in your behind? LOL!
>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> @> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> @> >>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>>>>>> Keller
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are bugs on the iPhone 4S such as SIRI deciding to stop
>>>>>>> working and having to reset the phone at least twice a day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there is also the bug that voiceover gets drowned out when you have
>>>>>>> to push a number for the menus on phone things like press one for
>>>>>>> etc. You can use a bluetooth or headset for that, but I don't like
>>>>>>> to have anything on my head, so it's a pain in the behind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sometimes, when just using the touch screen itself, if you are on
>>>>>>> the contacts screen and you press contacts, it will flip to a blank
>>> screen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> things like that irritate me, and if I wanted a phone that didn't
>>>>>>> have the capacity for SIRI working correctly, I would've just
>>>>>>> gotten the iPhone 4 and not have had to spend the extra money,
>>>>>>> especially with the bug in voiceover that gets drowned out by the
>>> speaker phone.
>>>>>>> I called Apple Accessibility about both issues and they said they
>>>>>>> were bugs and that they couldn't do anything about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> therefore, I have an upgrade available, and am seriously
>>>>>>> considering an android phone. Though the Galaxy S3 turned out to
>>>>>>> be way ore complicated than it was worth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Jenny,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm writing you back as I think my comments will be useful to
>>> others.
>>>>>>>> I've been playing with various Android phones recently, and they
>>>>>>>> are slowly catching up with the iPhone, in terms of blindness
>>> usability.
>>>>>>>> There are a few good reasons to go with an android phone, but you
>>>>>>>> should be aware of wha you're getting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you could tell us more about what you find frustrating about
>>>>>>>> the iPhone, we can help you figure out if Android will be a better
>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 05:12:39PM com0500, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am getting very frustrated with my iPhone 4S and looked at the
>>>>>>> Galaxy 3s last week.
>>>>>>>>> I found it to be more of a pain than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want an android that is at least Ice Cream Sandwich. Any
>>>>>>> suggestions, and I would appreciate it if you would give me reasons
>>>>>>> and good points and even bad about the phone you suggest.
>>>>>>>>> Please write me off list as to keep traffic down.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jenny
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 13:27:02 -0700
> From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen at gmail.com>
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but
> finally sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
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>
> Jim,
> Is the personal hot spot feature free with the share everything plan? thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Aldrich
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 1:19 PM
> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but finally
> sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
>
> all,
>
> My wife got a Verizon insurance plan. She had a problem with her IPhone 4S.
> I called Verizon and she got a new phone within 24 hours. I helped her set
> it up with her ICloud account. All seems to be okay now even though the
> original problem wasn't solved. This had to do with going to speaker phone
> by moving it further back from her ear. We aren't certain why we haven't
> been able to fix this. My particular phone is working nicely.
>
> I'm writing this on my Voice Sense and the only way I can get it to connect
> is through my personal hot spot I had activated with my share everything
> account from Verizon. The VS doesn't work with my cable provider. The
> personal hot spot is quite a feature but don't imagine myself using it
> often.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> ,f3 ,j5ny ,kell] <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> ,to3 ,4cus.n ( a3essi# electronics & appli.es <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>,
> Date: Tuesday, Aug 21, 2012 05:11:47 PM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but finally sent
> the iPhone to be fixed ininfrown*
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Due to the responses on this list, and the fact that a lot of people have
> said that what I'm experiencing with SIRI just doesn't seem to be usual, I
> contacted Apple, and asked that my iPhone be replaced.
>> Unfortunately though, I had to send it in today and am without any cell
> phone till the new one gets here.
>> If I had the money, they would've sent me a new one, charged my card for
> the new one till my old one got back there, and then replaced the money.
> That unfortunately couldn't happen. so here I am, without a cell phone.
>> I hope to get a new one soon, and that most of my major SIRI issues are
> resolved.
>> thanks for all of your advice.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>
>>> Keep in mind that the present version of Siri is a beta version.
>>> It's very unusual that beta software would be included in a
>>> publically released product, but what is usual about Apple? (SMILE)!
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
> @> @> -----Original Message-----
> @> @> ,f3 electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>> Keller
>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:43 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>> phone
>>>
>>> Hi Jim and all,
>>>
>>> I asked AT&T if Jelly Bean was even out, and they told me not yet on
>>> their end.
>>>
>>> the Android phones that I've seen that run Ice Cream Sandwich are
>>> much more of a pain than I think they're worth.
>>>
>>> I restored my iPhone 4S to factory settings and put all my junk back
>>> on it. Hopefully that will solve SIRI's attitude ininsmile*.
>>>
>>> I still have to re-download my apps again, but that's for another
>>> day next week as my husband is going to be baptized tomorrow and I
>>> frankly don't have the time or energy, or even, not to be a brat,
>>> but inclination, to do it right now as you all can imagine.
>>>
>>> If nothing else, I'll just wait till the new iPhone update to 6
>>> comes out and hope that SIRI's bugs have been fixed.
>>>
>>> Have a great night and weekend.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, we've moved far away from the original question which was
>>>> recomendations for an android phone.
>>>>
>>>> I said some of this earlier, but I'll repeat it and add more here.
>>>>
>>>> First, I highly recommend trying to make the iPhone work for you.
>>>> I believe it really is the best option out there.
>>>>
>>>> Next, if you really want to try out an android phone, look for one
>>>> that hsi running Jelly Bean. The Jelly Bean version of talkBack
>>>> now has the "explore by touch" technology built into the phone,
>>>> which makes for a much nicer user experience for blind users.
>>>>
>>>> As to which phone to get, I can recommend the "droid 4" phone,
>>>> which runs on Verizon. For other carriers, you'll need to ask
>>>> around. Some
>>>> things you'll care about are...
>>>>
>>>> * Does the phone have a physical keyboard, D-pad, joystick etc? How
>>>> do they feel in your hand?
>>>> NOTE: you don't have to have these controls to use an android
>>>> phone running Jelly Bean, but it really will help.
>>>> * Does the phone run Jelly Bean?
>>>> * How is the phone's battery life?
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:03:37AM com0400, Julie Phillipson wrote:
>>>>> hay you can get ear buds that have different size covers for
>>>>> small, medium and large and they block out noise around you. I
>>>>> get them for
>>>>> 10 bucks at drug store.com. They are like the old style ear bud
>>>>> that
>>>>> goes into the ear not just sit at the opening of the ear. Those
>>>>> other kind of buds hurt my ears too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Phillipson
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
> @> >>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> @> >>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>> phone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have very small ear connals, and very small ears that make it
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>> to find a bluetooth headset that fits properly that doesn't cost
>>>>>> a
>>> fortune.
>>>>>> I have one that sort of works, but it causes pain after wearing
>>>>>> it for any long periods of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, our bus terminal is in a fowl neighborhood and some of the
>>>>>> people who ride the bus are not the kind of people you'd want to
>>>>>> let
>>>>>> know that you have an iPhone 4S.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love the joke though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can something on your head cause a pain in your behind? LOL!
>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> @> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> @> >>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>>>>>> Keller
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible
>>>>>>> android phone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are bugs on the iPhone 4S such as SIRI deciding to stop
>>>>>>> working and having to reset the phone at least twice a day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there is also the bug that voiceover gets drowned out when you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> to push a number for the menus on phone things like press one
>>>>>>> for etc. You can use a bluetooth or headset for that, but I
>>>>>>> don't like
>>>>>>> to have anything on my head, so it's a pain in the behind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sometimes, when just using the touch screen itself, if you are
>>>>>>> on the contacts screen and you press contacts, it will flip to a
>>>>>>> blank
>>> screen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> things like that irritate me, and if I wanted a phone that
>>>>>>> didn't have the capacity for SIRI working correctly, I would've
>>>>>>> just gotten the iPhone 4 and not have had to spend the extra
>>>>>>> money, especially with the bug in voiceover that gets drowned
>>>>>>> out by the
>>> speaker phone.
>>>>>>> I called Apple Accessibility about both issues and they said
>>>>>>> they were bugs and that they couldn't do anything about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> therefore, I have an upgrade available, and am seriously
>>>>>>> considering an android phone. Though the Galaxy S3 turned out
>>>>>>> to be way ore complicated than it was worth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Jenny,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm writing you back as I think my comments will be useful to
>>> others.
>>>>>>>> I've been playing with various Android phones recently, and
>>>>>>>> they are slowly catching up with the iPhone, in terms of
>>>>>>>> blindness
>>> usability.
>>>>>>>> There are a few good reasons to go with an android phone, but
>>>>>>>> you should be aware of wha you're getting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you could tell us more about what you find frustrating about
>>>>>>>> the iPhone, we can help you figure out if Android will be a
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 05:12:39PM com0500, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am getting very frustrated with my iPhone 4S and looked at
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Galaxy 3s last week.
>>>>>>>>> I found it to be more of a pain than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want an android that is at least Ice Cream Sandwich. Any
>>>>>>> suggestions, and I would appreciate it if you would give me
>>>>>>> reasons
>>>>>>> and good points and even bad about the phone you suggest.
>>>>>>>>> Please write me off list as to keep traffic down.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Electronics-talk mailing list
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>>>>>>>>> r%40
>>>>>>>>> barcore.com
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 20:44:39 -0500
> From: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
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> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but
> finally sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
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> Well, I have to say, that I just got my I phone 4S in May, and SIRI had to be dealt with by hard resetting the phone depending upon usage at least one to three times a day.
>
> I use AT&T and since the phone was under warrantee through Apple, I had to wait till they overnighted me a box, put the phone in the box properly, send the phone back, then wait till they sent me another phone.
>
> After three sim cards, and a lot of trouble shooting, we discovered that that phone was a glorified and expensive PDA.
>
> I would have to go through all that crap again, which I was not willing to do. So I got things handled with AT&T and was overnighted a Galaxy S3.
>
> It's not as easy to use as the I phone. But I was without a cell phone for a week and a half, and frankly, after two 4S' that didn't either work properly, or at all, I had had enough.
>
> Hope others have better luck.
>
> Jenny
> On Sep 3, 2012, at 3:19 PM, James Aldrich wrote:
>
>> all,
>>
>> My wife got a Verizon insurance plan. She had a problem with her IPhone 4S. I called Verizon and she got a new phone within 24 hours. I helped her set it up with her ICloud account. All seems to be okay now even though the original problem wasn't solved. This had to do with going to speaker phone by moving it further back from her ear. We aren't certain why we haven't been able to fix this. My particular phone is working nicely.
>>
>> I'm writing this on my Voice Sense and the only way I can get it to connect is through my personal hot spot I had activated with my share everything account from Verizon. The VS doesn't work with my cable provider. The personal hot spot is quite a feature but don't imagine myself using it often.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> ,f3 ,j5ny ,kell] <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> ,to3 ,4cus.n ( a3essi# electronics & appli.es <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>,
>> Date: Tuesday, Aug 21, 2012 05:11:47 PM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the iPhone to be fixed ininfrown*
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Due to the responses on this list, and the fact that a lot of people have said that what I'm experiencing with SIRI just doesn't seem to be usual, I contacted Apple, and asked that my iPhone be replaced.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately though, I had to send it in today and am without any cell phone till the new one gets here.
>>>
>>> If I had the money, they would've sent me a new one, charged my card for the new one till my old one got back there, and then replaced the money. That unfortunately couldn't happen. so here I am, without a cell phone.
>>>
>>> I hope to get a new one soon, and that most of my major SIRI issues are resolved.
>>>
>>> thanks for all of your advice.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>
>>>> Keep in mind that the present version of Siri is a beta version. It's
>>>> very unusual that beta software would be included in a publically
>>>> released product, but what is usual about Apple? (SMILE)!
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>> @> @> -----Original Message-----
>> @> @> ,f3 electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:43 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android phone
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jim and all,
>>>>
>>>> I asked AT&T if Jelly Bean was even out, and they told me not yet on
>>>> their end.
>>>>
>>>> the Android phones that I've seen that run Ice Cream Sandwich are much
>>>> more of a pain than I think they're worth.
>>>>
>>>> I restored my iPhone 4S to factory settings and put all my junk back on
>>>> it. Hopefully that will solve SIRI's attitude ininsmile*.
>>>>
>>>> I still have to re-download my apps again, but that's for another day
>>>> next week as my husband is going to be baptized tomorrow and I frankly
>>>> don't have the time or energy, or even, not to be a brat, but
>>>> inclination, to do it right now as you all can imagine.
>>>>
>>>> If nothing else, I'll just wait till the new iPhone update to 6 comes
>>>> out and hope that SIRI's bugs have been fixed.
>>>>
>>>> Have a great night and weekend.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, we've moved far away from the original question which was
>>>>> recomendations for an android phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I said some of this earlier, but I'll repeat it and add more here.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, I highly recommend trying to make the iPhone work for you. I
>>>>> believe it really is the best option out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next, if you really want to try out an android phone, look for one
>>>>> that hsi running Jelly Bean. The Jelly Bean version of talkBack now
>>>>> has the "explore by touch" technology built into the phone, which
>>>>> makes for a much nicer user experience for blind users.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to which phone to get, I can recommend the "droid 4" phone, which
>>>>> runs on Verizon. For other carriers, you'll need to ask around. Some
>>>>> things you'll care about are...
>>>>>
>>>>> * Does the phone have a physical keyboard, D-pad, joystick etc? How
>>>>> do they feel in your hand?
>>>>> NOTE: you don't have to have these controls to use an android
>>>>> phone running Jelly Bean, but it really will help.
>>>>> * Does the phone run Jelly Bean?
>>>>> * How is the phone's battery life?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:03:37AM com0400, Julie Phillipson wrote:
>>>>>> hay you can get ear buds that have different size covers for small,
>>>>>> medium and large and they block out noise around you. I get them for
>>>>>> 10 bucks at drug store.com. They are like the old style ear bud that
>>>>>> goes into the ear not just sit at the opening of the ear. Those
>>>>>> other kind of buds hurt my ears too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie Phillipson
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
>> @> >>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> @> >>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have very small ear connals, and very small ears that make it hard
>>>>>>> to find a bluetooth headset that fits properly that doesn't cost a
>>>> fortune.
>>>>>>> I have one that sort of works, but it causes pain after wearing it
>>>>>>> for any long periods of time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, our bus terminal is in a fowl neighborhood and some of the
>>>>>>> people who ride the bus are not the kind of people you'd want to let
>>>>>>> know that you have an iPhone 4S.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love the joke though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How can something on your head cause a pain in your behind? LOL!
>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> @> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> @> >>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>>>>>>> Keller
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are bugs on the iPhone 4S such as SIRI deciding to stop
>>>>>>>> working and having to reset the phone at least twice a day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there is also the bug that voiceover gets drowned out when you have
>>>>>>>> to push a number for the menus on phone things like press one for
>>>>>>>> etc. You can use a bluetooth or headset for that, but I don't like
>>>>>>>> to have anything on my head, so it's a pain in the behind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sometimes, when just using the touch screen itself, if you are on
>>>>>>>> the contacts screen and you press contacts, it will flip to a blank
>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> things like that irritate me, and if I wanted a phone that didn't
>>>>>>>> have the capacity for SIRI working correctly, I would've just
>>>>>>>> gotten the iPhone 4 and not have had to spend the extra money,
>>>>>>>> especially with the bug in voiceover that gets drowned out by the
>>>> speaker phone.
>>>>>>>> I called Apple Accessibility about both issues and they said they
>>>>>>>> were bugs and that they couldn't do anything about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> therefore, I have an upgrade available, and am seriously
>>>>>>>> considering an android phone. Though the Galaxy S3 turned out to
>>>>>>>> be way ore complicated than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Jenny,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm writing you back as I think my comments will be useful to
>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>> I've been playing with various Android phones recently, and they
>>>>>>>>> are slowly catching up with the iPhone, in terms of blindness
>>>> usability.
>>>>>>>>> There are a few good reasons to go with an android phone, but you
>>>>>>>>> should be aware of wha you're getting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you could tell us more about what you find frustrating about
>>>>>>>>> the iPhone, we can help you figure out if Android will be a better
>>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 05:12:39PM com0500, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am getting very frustrated with my iPhone 4S and looked at the
>>>>>>>> Galaxy 3s last week.
>>>>>>>>>> I found it to be more of a pain than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I want an android that is at least Ice Cream Sandwich. Any
>>>>>>>> suggestions, and I would appreciate it if you would give me reasons
>>>>>>>> and good points and even bad about the phone you suggest.
>>>>>>>>>> Please write me off list as to keep traffic down.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 22:02:01 -0400
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but
> finally sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
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> Dear all,
>
> YThe problem you were likely having was one of conflict between Siri and
> Voice Over.
>
> To use them both together, you need to plug a set of earphones in to keep
> Siri from getting confused by Voice Over talking in the background.
>
> This will cause a lock up and a hard reset.
>
> David Evans and GD Jack.
>
> A new user of the I-Phone.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone,but finally
> sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
>
>
>> Well, I have to say, that I just got my I phone 4S in May, and SIRI had to
>> be dealt with by hard resetting the phone depending upon usage at least
>> one to three times a day.
>>
>> I use AT&T and since the phone was under warrantee through Apple, I had to
>> wait till they overnighted me a box, put the phone in the box properly,
>> send the phone back, then wait till they sent me another phone.
>>
>> After three sim cards, and a lot of trouble shooting, we discovered that
>> that phone was a glorified and expensive PDA.
>>
>> I would have to go through all that crap again, which I was not willing to
>> do. So I got things handled with AT&T and was overnighted a Galaxy S3.
>>
>> It's not as easy to use as the I phone. But I was without a cell phone
>> for a week and a half, and frankly, after two 4S' that didn't either work
>> properly, or at all, I had had enough.
>>
>> Hope others have better luck.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Sep 3, 2012, at 3:19 PM, James Aldrich wrote:
>>
>>> all,
>>>
>>> My wife got a Verizon insurance plan. She had a problem with her IPhone
>>> 4S. I called Verizon and she got a new phone within 24 hours. I helped
>>> her set it up with her ICloud account. All seems to be okay now even
>>> though the original problem wasn't solved. This had to do with going to
>>> speaker phone by moving it further back from her ear. We aren't certain
>>> why we haven't been able to fix this. My particular phone is working
>>> nicely.
>>>
>>> I'm writing this on my Voice Sense and the only way I can get it to
>>> connect is through my personal hot spot I had activated with my share
>>> everything account from Verizon. The VS doesn't work with my cable
>>> provider. The personal hot spot is quite a feature but don't imagine
>>> myself using it often.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> ,f3 ,j5ny ,kell] <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>> ,to3 ,4cus.n ( a3essi# electronics & appli.es
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>,
>>> Date: Tuesday, Aug 21, 2012 05:11:47 PM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but finally
>>> sent the iPhone to be fixed ininfrown*
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Due to the responses on this list, and the fact that a lot of people
>>>> have said that what I'm experiencing with SIRI just doesn't seem to be
>>>> usual, I contacted Apple, and asked that my iPhone be replaced.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately though, I had to send it in today and am without any cell
>>>> phone till the new one gets here.
>>>>
>>>> If I had the money, they would've sent me a new one, charged my card for
>>>> the new one till my old one got back there, and then replaced the money.
>>>> That unfortunately couldn't happen. so here I am, without a cell phone.
>>>>
>>>> I hope to get a new one soon, and that most of my major SIRI issues are
>>>> resolved.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for all of your advice.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind that the present version of Siri is a beta version. It's
>>>>> very unusual that beta software would be included in a publically
>>>>> released product, but what is usual about Apple? (SMILE)!
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> @> @> -----Original Message-----
>>> @> @> ,f3 electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:43 PM
>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android phone
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I asked AT&T if Jelly Bean was even out, and they told me not yet on
>>>>> their end.
>>>>>
>>>>> the Android phones that I've seen that run Ice Cream Sandwich are much
>>>>> more of a pain than I think they're worth.
>>>>>
>>>>> I restored my iPhone 4S to factory settings and put all my junk back on
>>>>> it. Hopefully that will solve SIRI's attitude ininsmile*.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still have to re-download my apps again, but that's for another day
>>>>> next week as my husband is going to be baptized tomorrow and I frankly
>>>>> don't have the time or energy, or even, not to be a brat, but
>>>>> inclination, to do it right now as you all can imagine.
>>>>>
>>>>> If nothing else, I'll just wait till the new iPhone update to 6 comes
>>>>> out and hope that SIRI's bugs have been fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a great night and weekend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, we've moved far away from the original question which was
>>>>>> recomendations for an android phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said some of this earlier, but I'll repeat it and add more here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, I highly recommend trying to make the iPhone work for you. I
>>>>>> believe it really is the best option out there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next, if you really want to try out an android phone, look for one
>>>>>> that hsi running Jelly Bean. The Jelly Bean version of talkBack now
>>>>>> has the "explore by touch" technology built into the phone, which
>>>>>> makes for a much nicer user experience for blind users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to which phone to get, I can recommend the "droid 4" phone, which
>>>>>> runs on Verizon. For other carriers, you'll need to ask around. Some
>>>>>> things you'll care about are...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Does the phone have a physical keyboard, D-pad, joystick etc? How
>>>>>> do they feel in your hand?
>>>>>> NOTE: you don't have to have these controls to use an android
>>>>>> phone running Jelly Bean, but it really will help.
>>>>>> * Does the phone run Jelly Bean?
>>>>>> * How is the phone's battery life?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:03:37AM com0400, Julie Phillipson wrote:
>>>>>>> hay you can get ear buds that have different size covers for small,
>>>>>>> medium and large and they block out noise around you. I get them for
>>>>>>> 10 bucks at drug store.com. They are like the old style ear bud that
>>>>>>> goes into the ear not just sit at the opening of the ear. Those
>>>>>>> other kind of buds hurt my ears too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie Phillipson
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
>>> @> >>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> @> >>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have very small ear connals, and very small ears that make it hard
>>>>>>>> to find a bluetooth headset that fits properly that doesn't cost a
>>>>> fortune.
>>>>>>>> I have one that sort of works, but it causes pain after wearing it
>>>>>>>> for any long periods of time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, our bus terminal is in a fowl neighborhood and some of the
>>>>>>>> people who ride the bus are not the kind of people you'd want to let
>>>>>>>> know that you have an iPhone 4S.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Love the joke though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How can something on your head cause a pain in your behind? LOL!
>>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> @> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> @> >>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>>>>>>>> Keller
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are bugs on the iPhone 4S such as SIRI deciding to stop
>>>>>>>>> working and having to reset the phone at least twice a day.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> there is also the bug that voiceover gets drowned out when you have
>>>>>>>>> to push a number for the menus on phone things like press one for
>>>>>>>>> etc. You can use a bluetooth or headset for that, but I don't like
>>>>>>>>> to have anything on my head, so it's a pain in the behind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes, when just using the touch screen itself, if you are on
>>>>>>>>> the contacts screen and you press contacts, it will flip to a blank
>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> things like that irritate me, and if I wanted a phone that didn't
>>>>>>>>> have the capacity for SIRI working correctly, I would've just
>>>>>>>>> gotten the iPhone 4 and not have had to spend the extra money,
>>>>>>>>> especially with the bug in voiceover that gets drowned out by the
>>>>> speaker phone.
>>>>>>>>> I called Apple Accessibility about both issues and they said they
>>>>>>>>> were bugs and that they couldn't do anything about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> therefore, I have an upgrade available, and am seriously
>>>>>>>>> considering an android phone. Though the Galaxy S3 turned out to
>>>>>>>>> be way ore complicated than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey Jenny,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm writing you back as I think my comments will be useful to
>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>> I've been playing with various Android phones recently, and they
>>>>>>>>>> are slowly catching up with the iPhone, in terms of blindness
>>>>> usability.
>>>>>>>>>> There are a few good reasons to go with an android phone, but you
>>>>>>>>>> should be aware of wha you're getting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you could tell us more about what you find frustrating about
>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone, we can help you figure out if Android will be a better
>>>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 05:12:39PM com0500, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am getting very frustrated with my iPhone 4S and looked at the
>>>>>>>>> Galaxy 3s last week.
>>>>>>>>>>> I found it to be more of a pain than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I want an android that is at least Ice Cream Sandwich. Any
>>>>>>>>> suggestions, and I would appreciate it if you would give me reasons
>>>>>>>>> and good points and even bad about the phone you suggest.
>>>>>>>>>>> Please write me off list as to keep traffic down.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 19:06:56 -0700
> From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen at gmail.com>
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but
> finally sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
> Message-ID: <000301cd8a41$f6dae3a0$e490aae0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> So the i-phone 4s cannot be used without ear phones? What about using a
> Bluetooth device instead of plugging the jack in?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Evans
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 7:02 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but finally
> sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
>
> Dear all,
>
> YThe problem you were likely having was one of conflict between Siri and
> Voice Over.
>
> To use them both together, you need to plug a set of earphones in to keep
> Siri from getting confused by Voice Over talking in the background.
>
> This will cause a lock up and a hard reset.
>
> David Evans and GD Jack.
>
> A new user of the I-Phone.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone,but finally
> sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
>
>
>> Well, I have to say, that I just got my I phone 4S in May, and SIRI
>> had to be dealt with by hard resetting the phone depending upon usage
>> at least one to three times a day.
>>
>> I use AT&T and since the phone was under warrantee through Apple, I
>> had to wait till they overnighted me a box, put the phone in the box
>> properly, send the phone back, then wait till they sent me another phone.
>>
>> After three sim cards, and a lot of trouble shooting, we discovered
>> that that phone was a glorified and expensive PDA.
>>
>> I would have to go through all that crap again, which I was not
>> willing to do. So I got things handled with AT&T and was overnighted a
> Galaxy S3.
>> It's not as easy to use as the I phone. But I was without a cell
>> phone for a week and a half, and frankly, after two 4S' that didn't
>> either work properly, or at all, I had had enough.
>>
>> Hope others have better luck.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Sep 3, 2012, at 3:19 PM, James Aldrich wrote:
>>
>>> all,
>>>
>>> My wife got a Verizon insurance plan. She had a problem with her
>>> IPhone 4S. I called Verizon and she got a new phone within 24 hours.
>>> I helped her set it up with her ICloud account. All seems to be okay
>>> now even though the original problem wasn't solved. This had to do
>>> with going to speaker phone by moving it further back from her ear.
>>> We aren't certain why we haven't been able to fix this. My
>>> particular phone is working nicely.
>>>
>>> I'm writing this on my Voice Sense and the only way I can get it to
>>> connect is through my personal hot spot I had activated with my share
>>> everything account from Verizon. The VS doesn't work with my cable
>>> provider. The personal hot spot is quite a feature but don't imagine
>>> myself using it often.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> ,f3 ,j5ny ,kell] <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>> ,to3 ,4cus.n ( a3essi# electronics & appli.es
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>,
>>> Date: Tuesday, Aug 21, 2012 05:11:47 PM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but
>>> finally sent the iPhone to be fixed ininfrown*
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Due to the responses on this list, and the fact that a lot of people
>>>> have said that what I'm experiencing with SIRI just doesn't seem to
>>>> be usual, I contacted Apple, and asked that my iPhone be replaced.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately though, I had to send it in today and am without any
>>>> cell phone till the new one gets here.
>>>>
>>>> If I had the money, they would've sent me a new one, charged my card
>>>> for the new one till my old one got back there, and then replaced the
> money.
>>>> That unfortunately couldn't happen. so here I am, without a cell phone.
>>>>
>>>> I hope to get a new one soon, and that most of my major SIRI issues
>>>> are resolved.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for all of your advice.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind that the present version of Siri is a beta version.
>>>>> It's very unusual that beta software would be included in a
>>>>> publically released product, but what is usual about Apple? (SMILE)!
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> @> @> -----Original Message-----
>>> @> @> ,f3 electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>>>> Keller
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:43 PM
>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>> phone
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I asked AT&T if Jelly Bean was even out, and they told me not yet
>>>>> on their end.
>>>>>
>>>>> the Android phones that I've seen that run Ice Cream Sandwich are
>>>>> much more of a pain than I think they're worth.
>>>>>
>>>>> I restored my iPhone 4S to factory settings and put all my junk
>>>>> back on it. Hopefully that will solve SIRI's attitude ininsmile*.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still have to re-download my apps again, but that's for another
>>>>> day next week as my husband is going to be baptized tomorrow and I
>>>>> frankly don't have the time or energy, or even, not to be a brat,
>>>>> but inclination, to do it right now as you all can imagine.
>>>>>
>>>>> If nothing else, I'll just wait till the new iPhone update to 6
>>>>> comes out and hope that SIRI's bugs have been fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a great night and weekend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, we've moved far away from the original question which was
>>>>>> recomendations for an android phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said some of this earlier, but I'll repeat it and add more here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, I highly recommend trying to make the iPhone work for you.
>>>>>> I believe it really is the best option out there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next, if you really want to try out an android phone, look for one
>>>>>> that hsi running Jelly Bean. The Jelly Bean version of talkBack
>>>>>> now has the "explore by touch" technology built into the phone,
>>>>>> which makes for a much nicer user experience for blind users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to which phone to get, I can recommend the "droid 4" phone,
>>>>>> which runs on Verizon. For other carriers, you'll need to ask
>>>>>> around. Some
>>>>>> things you'll care about are...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Does the phone have a physical keyboard, D-pad, joystick etc?
>>>>>> How do they feel in your hand?
>>>>>> NOTE: you don't have to have these controls to use an android
>>>>>> phone running Jelly Bean, but it really will help.
>>>>>> * Does the phone run Jelly Bean?
>>>>>> * How is the phone's battery life?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:03:37AM com0400, Julie Phillipson wrote:
>>>>>>> hay you can get ear buds that have different size covers for
>>>>>>> small, medium and large and they block out noise around you. I
>>>>>>> get them for
>>>>>>> 10 bucks at drug store.com. They are like the old style ear bud
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> goes into the ear not just sit at the opening of the ear. Those
>>>>>>> other kind of buds hurt my ears too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie Phillipson
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
>>> @> >>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> @> >>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have very small ear connals, and very small ears that make it
>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>> to find a bluetooth headset that fits properly that doesn't cost
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>> fortune.
>>>>>>>> I have one that sort of works, but it causes pain after wearing
>>>>>>>> it for any long periods of time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, our bus terminal is in a fowl neighborhood and some of the
>>>>>>>> people who ride the bus are not the kind of people you'd want to
>>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>>> know that you have an iPhone 4S.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Love the joke though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How can something on your head cause a pain in your behind? LOL!
>>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> @> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> @> >>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>>>>>>>> Keller
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible
>>>>>>>>> android phone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are bugs on the iPhone 4S such as SIRI deciding to stop
>>>>>>>>> working and having to reset the phone at least twice a day.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> there is also the bug that voiceover gets drowned out when you
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> to push a number for the menus on phone things like press one
>>>>>>>>> for etc. You can use a bluetooth or headset for that, but I
>>>>>>>>> don't like
>>>>>>>>> to have anything on my head, so it's a pain in the behind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes, when just using the touch screen itself, if you are
>>>>>>>>> on the contacts screen and you press contacts, it will flip to
>>>>>>>>> a blank
>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> things like that irritate me, and if I wanted a phone that
>>>>>>>>> didn't have the capacity for SIRI working correctly, I would've
>>>>>>>>> just gotten the iPhone 4 and not have had to spend the extra
>>>>>>>>> money, especially with the bug in voiceover that gets drowned
>>>>>>>>> out by the
>>>>> speaker phone.
>>>>>>>>> I called Apple Accessibility about both issues and they said
>>>>>>>>> they were bugs and that they couldn't do anything about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> therefore, I have an upgrade available, and am seriously
>>>>>>>>> considering an android phone. Though the Galaxy S3 turned out
>>>>>>>>> to be way ore complicated than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey Jenny,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm writing you back as I think my comments will be useful to
>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>> I've been playing with various Android phones recently, and
>>>>>>>>>> they are slowly catching up with the iPhone, in terms of
>>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>> usability.
>>>>>>>>>> There are a few good reasons to go with an android phone, but
>>>>>>>>>> you should be aware of wha you're getting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you could tell us more about what you find frustrating
>>>>>>>>>> about the iPhone, we can help you figure out if Android will
>>>>>>>>>> be a better
>>>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 05:12:39PM com0500, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am getting very frustrated with my iPhone 4S and looked at
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Galaxy 3s last week.
>>>>>>>>>>> I found it to be more of a pain than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I want an android that is at least Ice Cream Sandwich. Any
>>>>>>>>> suggestions, and I would appreciate it if you would give me
>>>>>>>>> reasons
>>>>>>>>> and good points and even bad about the phone you suggest.
>>>>>>>>>>> Please write me off list as to keep traffic down.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
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> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 21:10:15 -0500
> From: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but
> finally sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
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> No, that wasn't my issue, SIRI would say that she couldn't help me and to try back later. I would do this and get the same result till I'd have to hard reset the phone.
>
> It wouldn't matter if voiceover was on or off, it also wouldn't matter in which location I was in, it was the phone.
>
> Now, the phone I have won't place phone calls or receive them, so I had to get an android as I could get one faster than Apple would provide me a new I phone since I didn't have the hundreds of dollars they wanted to charge me till they got the old one back if they sent me a new one.
>
> A week and a half without a working cell phone was enough.
>
> Jenny
> On Sep 3, 2012, at 9:02 PM, David Evans wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> YThe problem you were likely having was one of conflict between Siri and Voice Over.
>>
>> To use them both together, you need to plug a set of earphones in to keep Siri from getting confused by Voice Over talking in the background.
>>
>> This will cause a lock up and a hard reset.
>>
>> David Evans and GD Jack.
>>
>> A new user of the I-Phone.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone,but finally sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
>>
>>
>>> Well, I have to say, that I just got my I phone 4S in May, and SIRI had to be dealt with by hard resetting the phone depending upon usage at least one to three times a day.
>>>
>>> I use AT&T and since the phone was under warrantee through Apple, I had to wait till they overnighted me a box, put the phone in the box properly, send the phone back, then wait till they sent me another phone.
>>>
>>> After three sim cards, and a lot of trouble shooting, we discovered that that phone was a glorified and expensive PDA.
>>>
>>> I would have to go through all that crap again, which I was not willing to do. So I got things handled with AT&T and was overnighted a Galaxy S3.
>>>
>>> It's not as easy to use as the I phone. But I was without a cell phone for a week and a half, and frankly, after two 4S' that didn't either work properly, or at all, I had had enough.
>>>
>>> Hope others have better luck.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Sep 3, 2012, at 3:19 PM, James Aldrich wrote:
>>>
>>>> all,
>>>>
>>>> My wife got a Verizon insurance plan. She had a problem with her IPhone 4S. I called Verizon and she got a new phone within 24 hours. I helped her set it up with her ICloud account. All seems to be okay now even though the original problem wasn't solved. This had to do with going to speaker phone by moving it further back from her ear. We aren't certain why we haven't been able to fix this. My particular phone is working nicely.
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing this on my Voice Sense and the only way I can get it to connect is through my personal hot spot I had activated with my share everything account from Verizon. The VS doesn't work with my cable provider. The personal hot spot is quite a feature but don't imagine myself using it often.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> ,f3 ,j5ny ,kell] <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>> ,to3 ,4cus.n ( a3essi# electronics & appli.es <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>,
>>>> Date: Tuesday, Aug 21, 2012 05:11:47 PM
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the iPhone to be fixed ininfrown*
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Due to the responses on this list, and the fact that a lot of people have said that what I'm experiencing with SIRI just doesn't seem to be usual, I contacted Apple, and asked that my iPhone be replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately though, I had to send it in today and am without any cell phone till the new one gets here.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had the money, they would've sent me a new one, charged my card for the new one till my old one got back there, and then replaced the money. That unfortunately couldn't happen. so here I am, without a cell phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to get a new one soon, and that most of my major SIRI issues are resolved.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for all of your advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep in mind that the present version of Siri is a beta version. It's
>>>>>> very unusual that beta software would be included in a publically
>>>>>> released product, but what is usual about Apple? (SMILE)!
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> @> @> -----Original Message-----
>>>> @> @> ,f3 electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:43 PM
>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android phone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jim and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I asked AT&T if Jelly Bean was even out, and they told me not yet on
>>>>>> their end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Android phones that I've seen that run Ice Cream Sandwich are much
>>>>>> more of a pain than I think they're worth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I restored my iPhone 4S to factory settings and put all my junk back on
>>>>>> it. Hopefully that will solve SIRI's attitude ininsmile*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still have to re-download my apps again, but that's for another day
>>>>>> next week as my husband is going to be baptized tomorrow and I frankly
>>>>>> don't have the time or energy, or even, not to be a brat, but
>>>>>> inclination, to do it right now as you all can imagine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If nothing else, I'll just wait till the new iPhone update to 6 comes
>>>>>> out and hope that SIRI's bugs have been fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a great night and weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, we've moved far away from the original question which was
>>>>>>> recomendations for an android phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I said some of this earlier, but I'll repeat it and add more here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, I highly recommend trying to make the iPhone work for you. I
>>>>>>> believe it really is the best option out there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next, if you really want to try out an android phone, look for one
>>>>>>> that hsi running Jelly Bean. The Jelly Bean version of talkBack now
>>>>>>> has the "explore by touch" technology built into the phone, which
>>>>>>> makes for a much nicer user experience for blind users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to which phone to get, I can recommend the "droid 4" phone, which
>>>>>>> runs on Verizon. For other carriers, you'll need to ask around. Some
>>>>>>> things you'll care about are...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Does the phone have a physical keyboard, D-pad, joystick etc? How
>>>>>>> do they feel in your hand?
>>>>>>> NOTE: you don't have to have these controls to use an android
>>>>>>> phone running Jelly Bean, but it really will help.
>>>>>>> * Does the phone run Jelly Bean?
>>>>>>> * How is the phone's battery life?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:03:37AM com0400, Julie Phillipson wrote:
>>>>>>>> hay you can get ear buds that have different size covers for small,
>>>>>>>> medium and large and they block out noise around you. I get them for
>>>>>>>> 10 bucks at drug store.com. They are like the old style ear bud that
>>>>>>>> goes into the ear not just sit at the opening of the ear. Those
>>>>>>>> other kind of buds hurt my ears too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie Phillipson
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
>>>> @> >>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> @> >>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have very small ear connals, and very small ears that make it hard
>>>>>>>>> to find a bluetooth headset that fits properly that doesn't cost a
>>>>>> fortune.
>>>>>>>>> I have one that sort of works, but it causes pain after wearing it
>>>>>>>>> for any long periods of time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, our bus terminal is in a fowl neighborhood and some of the
>>>>>>>>> people who ride the bus are not the kind of people you'd want to let
>>>>>>>>> know that you have an iPhone 4S.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Love the joke though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How can something on your head cause a pain in your behind? LOL!
>>>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> @> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> @> >>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>>>>>>>>> Keller
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are bugs on the iPhone 4S such as SIRI deciding to stop
>>>>>>>>>> working and having to reset the phone at least twice a day.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> there is also the bug that voiceover gets drowned out when you have
>>>>>>>>>> to push a number for the menus on phone things like press one for
>>>>>>>>>> etc. You can use a bluetooth or headset for that, but I don't like
>>>>>>>>>> to have anything on my head, so it's a pain in the behind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes, when just using the touch screen itself, if you are on
>>>>>>>>>> the contacts screen and you press contacts, it will flip to a blank
>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> things like that irritate me, and if I wanted a phone that didn't
>>>>>>>>>> have the capacity for SIRI working correctly, I would've just
>>>>>>>>>> gotten the iPhone 4 and not have had to spend the extra money,
>>>>>>>>>> especially with the bug in voiceover that gets drowned out by the
>>>>>> speaker phone.
>>>>>>>>>> I called Apple Accessibility about both issues and they said they
>>>>>>>>>> were bugs and that they couldn't do anything about it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> therefore, I have an upgrade available, and am seriously
>>>>>>>>>> considering an android phone. Though the Galaxy S3 turned out to
>>>>>>>>>> be way ore complicated than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Jenny,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm writing you back as I think my comments will be useful to
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been playing with various Android phones recently, and they
>>>>>>>>>>> are slowly catching up with the iPhone, in terms of blindness
>>>>>> usability.
>>>>>>>>>>> There are a few good reasons to go with an android phone, but you
>>>>>>>>>>> should be aware of wha you're getting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you could tell us more about what you find frustrating about
>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone, we can help you figure out if Android will be a better
>>>>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 05:12:39PM com0500, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am getting very frustrated with my iPhone 4S and looked at the
>>>>>>>>>> Galaxy 3s last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I found it to be more of a pain than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I want an android that is at least Ice Cream Sandwich. Any
>>>>>>>>>> suggestions, and I would appreciate it if you would give me reasons
>>>>>>>>>> and good points and even bad about the phone you suggest.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please write me off list as to keep traffic down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 19:23:34 -0700
> From: Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but
> finally sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
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> I use Siri and voice over together on a regular basis without headphones. Seri works just fine, sometimes Siri confused by voice over, but it's rare. And has never ever resulted in me needing to hard reset the phone. I'm not sure what problems Jenny was having, but I would hate to say that it was the same for all iPhones with voiceover.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2012, at 7:02 PM, "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> YThe problem you were likely having was one of conflict between Siri and Voice Over.
>>
>> To use them both together, you need to plug a set of earphones in to keep Siri from getting confused by Voice Over talking in the background.
>>
>> This will cause a lock up and a hard reset.
>>
>> David Evans and GD Jack.
>>
>> A new user of the I-Phone.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone,but finally sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
>>
>>
>>> Well, I have to say, that I just got my I phone 4S in May, and SIRI had to be dealt with by hard resetting the phone depending upon usage at least one to three times a day.
>>>
>>> I use AT&T and since the phone was under warrantee through Apple, I had to wait till they overnighted me a box, put the phone in the box properly, send the phone back, then wait till they sent me another phone.
>>>
>>> After three sim cards, and a lot of trouble shooting, we discovered that that phone was a glorified and expensive PDA.
>>>
>>> I would have to go through all that crap again, which I was not willing to do. So I got things handled with AT&T and was overnighted a Galaxy S3.
>>>
>>> It's not as easy to use as the I phone. But I was without a cell phone for a week and a half, and frankly, after two 4S' that didn't either work properly, or at all, I had had enough.
>>>
>>> Hope others have better luck.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Sep 3, 2012, at 3:19 PM, James Aldrich wrote:
>>>
>>>> all,
>>>>
>>>> My wife got a Verizon insurance plan. She had a problem with her IPhone 4S. I called Verizon and she got a new phone within 24 hours. I helped her set it up with her ICloud account. All seems to be okay now even though the original problem wasn't solved. This had to do with going to speaker phone by moving it further back from her ear. We aren't certain why we haven't been able to fix this. My particular phone is working nicely.
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing this on my Voice Sense and the only way I can get it to connect is through my personal hot spot I had activated with my share everything account from Verizon. The VS doesn't work with my cable provider. The personal hot spot is quite a feature but don't imagine myself using it often.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> ,f3 ,j5ny ,kell] <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>> ,to3 ,4cus.n ( a3essi# electronics & appli.es <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>,
>>>> Date: Tuesday, Aug 21, 2012 05:11:47 PM
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but finally sent the iPhone to be fixed ininfrown*
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Due to the responses on this list, and the fact that a lot of people have said that what I'm experiencing with SIRI just doesn't seem to be usual, I contacted Apple, and asked that my iPhone be replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately though, I had to send it in today and am without any cell phone till the new one gets here.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had the money, they would've sent me a new one, charged my card for the new one till my old one got back there, and then replaced the money. That unfortunately couldn't happen. so here I am, without a cell phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to get a new one soon, and that most of my major SIRI issues are resolved.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for all of your advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep in mind that the present version of Siri is a beta version. It's
>>>>>> very unusual that beta software would be included in a publically
>>>>>> released product, but what is usual about Apple? (SMILE)!
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> @> @> -----Original Message-----
>>>> @> @> ,f3 electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:43 PM
>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android phone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jim and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I asked AT&T if Jelly Bean was even out, and they told me not yet on
>>>>>> their end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Android phones that I've seen that run Ice Cream Sandwich are much
>>>>>> more of a pain than I think they're worth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I restored my iPhone 4S to factory settings and put all my junk back on
>>>>>> it. Hopefully that will solve SIRI's attitude ininsmile*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still have to re-download my apps again, but that's for another day
>>>>>> next week as my husband is going to be baptized tomorrow and I frankly
>>>>>> don't have the time or energy, or even, not to be a brat, but
>>>>>> inclination, to do it right now as you all can imagine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If nothing else, I'll just wait till the new iPhone update to 6 comes
>>>>>> out and hope that SIRI's bugs have been fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a great night and weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, we've moved far away from the original question which was
>>>>>>> recomendations for an android phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I said some of this earlier, but I'll repeat it and add more here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, I highly recommend trying to make the iPhone work for you. I
>>>>>>> believe it really is the best option out there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next, if you really want to try out an android phone, look for one
>>>>>>> that hsi running Jelly Bean. The Jelly Bean version of talkBack now
>>>>>>> has the "explore by touch" technology built into the phone, which
>>>>>>> makes for a much nicer user experience for blind users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to which phone to get, I can recommend the "droid 4" phone, which
>>>>>>> runs on Verizon. For other carriers, you'll need to ask around. Some
>>>>>>> things you'll care about are...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Does the phone have a physical keyboard, D-pad, joystick etc? How
>>>>>>> do they feel in your hand?
>>>>>>> NOTE: you don't have to have these controls to use an android
>>>>>>> phone running Jelly Bean, but it really will help.
>>>>>>> * Does the phone run Jelly Bean?
>>>>>>> * How is the phone's battery life?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:03:37AM com0400, Julie Phillipson wrote:
>>>>>>>> hay you can get ear buds that have different size covers for small,
>>>>>>>> medium and large and they block out noise around you. I get them for
>>>>>>>> 10 bucks at drug store.com. They are like the old style ear bud that
>>>>>>>> goes into the ear not just sit at the opening of the ear. Those
>>>>>>>> other kind of buds hurt my ears too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie Phillipson
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
>>>> @> >>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> @> >>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have very small ear connals, and very small ears that make it hard
>>>>>>>>> to find a bluetooth headset that fits properly that doesn't cost a
>>>>>> fortune.
>>>>>>>>> I have one that sort of works, but it causes pain after wearing it
>>>>>>>>> for any long periods of time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, our bus terminal is in a fowl neighborhood and some of the
>>>>>>>>> people who ride the bus are not the kind of people you'd want to let
>>>>>>>>> know that you have an iPhone 4S.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Love the joke though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How can something on your head cause a pain in your behind? LOL!
>>>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> @> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> @> >>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>>>>>>>>> Keller
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are bugs on the iPhone 4S such as SIRI deciding to stop
>>>>>>>>>> working and having to reset the phone at least twice a day.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> there is also the bug that voiceover gets drowned out when you have
>>>>>>>>>> to push a number for the menus on phone things like press one for
>>>>>>>>>> etc. You can use a bluetooth or headset for that, but I don't like
>>>>>>>>>> to have anything on my head, so it's a pain in the behind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes, when just using the touch screen itself, if you are on
>>>>>>>>>> the contacts screen and you press contacts, it will flip to a blank
>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> things like that irritate me, and if I wanted a phone that didn't
>>>>>>>>>> have the capacity for SIRI working correctly, I would've just
>>>>>>>>>> gotten the iPhone 4 and not have had to spend the extra money,
>>>>>>>>>> especially with the bug in voiceover that gets drowned out by the
>>>>>> speaker phone.
>>>>>>>>>> I called Apple Accessibility about both issues and they said they
>>>>>>>>>> were bugs and that they couldn't do anything about it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> therefore, I have an upgrade available, and am seriously
>>>>>>>>>> considering an android phone. Though the Galaxy S3 turned out to
>>>>>>>>>> be way ore complicated than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Jenny,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm writing you back as I think my comments will be useful to
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been playing with various Android phones recently, and they
>>>>>>>>>>> are slowly catching up with the iPhone, in terms of blindness
>>>>>> usability.
>>>>>>>>>>> There are a few good reasons to go with an android phone, but you
>>>>>>>>>>> should be aware of wha you're getting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you could tell us more about what you find frustrating about
>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone, we can help you figure out if Android will be a better
>>>>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 05:12:39PM com0500, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am getting very frustrated with my iPhone 4S and looked at the
>>>>>>>>>> Galaxy 3s last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I found it to be more of a pain than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I want an android that is at least Ice Cream Sandwich. Any
>>>>>>>>>> suggestions, and I would appreciate it if you would give me reasons
>>>>>>>>>> and good points and even bad about the phone you suggest.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please write me off list as to keep traffic down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 20:24:50 -0600
> From: James Aldrich <jajkaldrich at gmail.com>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but
> finally sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
> Message-ID: <7D9B34EC-339F-43AA-8DBF-14416A174E4E at gmail.com>
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> I use my phone with earbuds and with bluetooth. The IPhone works best with earbuds or headphones with an inline microphone.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2012, at 8:06 PM, "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So the i-phone 4s cannot be used without ear phones? What about using a
>> Bluetooth device instead of plugging the jack in?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Evans
>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 7:02 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but finally
>> sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> YThe problem you were likely having was one of conflict between Siri and
>> Voice Over.
>>
>> To use them both together, you need to plug a set of earphones in to keep
>> Siri from getting confused by Voice Over talking in the background.
>>
>> This will cause a lock up and a hard reset.
>>
>> David Evans and GD Jack.
>>
>> A new user of the I-Phone.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone,but finally
>> sent the iPhone to be fixed *frown*
>>
>>
>>> Well, I have to say, that I just got my I phone 4S in May, and SIRI
>>> had to be dealt with by hard resetting the phone depending upon usage
>>> at least one to three times a day.
>>>
>>> I use AT&T and since the phone was under warrantee through Apple, I
>>> had to wait till they overnighted me a box, put the phone in the box
>>> properly, send the phone back, then wait till they sent me another phone.
>>>
>>> After three sim cards, and a lot of trouble shooting, we discovered
>>> that that phone was a glorified and expensive PDA.
>>>
>>> I would have to go through all that crap again, which I was not
>>> willing to do. So I got things handled with AT&T and was overnighted a
>> Galaxy S3.
>>> It's not as easy to use as the I phone. But I was without a cell
>>> phone for a week and a half, and frankly, after two 4S' that didn't
>>> either work properly, or at all, I had had enough.
>>>
>>> Hope others have better luck.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Sep 3, 2012, at 3:19 PM, James Aldrich wrote:
>>>
>>>> all,
>>>>
>>>> My wife got a Verizon insurance plan. She had a problem with her
>>>> IPhone 4S. I called Verizon and she got a new phone within 24 hours.
>>>> I helped her set it up with her ICloud account. All seems to be okay
>>>> now even though the original problem wasn't solved. This had to do
>>>> with going to speaker phone by moving it further back from her ear.
>>>> We aren't certain why we haven't been able to fix this. My
>>>> particular phone is working nicely.
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing this on my Voice Sense and the only way I can get it to
>>>> connect is through my personal hot spot I had activated with my share
>>>> everything account from Verizon. The VS doesn't work with my cable
>>>> provider. The personal hot spot is quite a feature but don't imagine
>>>> myself using it often.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> ,f3 ,j5ny ,kell] <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>> ,to3 ,4cus.n ( a3essi# electronics & appli.es
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>,
>>>> Date: Tuesday, Aug 21, 2012 05:11:47 PM
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] I asked about an android phone, but
>>>> finally sent the iPhone to be fixed ininfrown*
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Due to the responses on this list, and the fact that a lot of people
>>>>> have said that what I'm experiencing with SIRI just doesn't seem to
>>>>> be usual, I contacted Apple, and asked that my iPhone be replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately though, I had to send it in today and am without any
>>>>> cell phone till the new one gets here.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had the money, they would've sent me a new one, charged my card
>>>>> for the new one till my old one got back there, and then replaced the
>> money.
>>>>> That unfortunately couldn't happen. so here I am, without a cell phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to get a new one soon, and that most of my major SIRI issues
>>>>> are resolved.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for all of your advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep in mind that the present version of Siri is a beta version.
>>>>>> It's very unusual that beta software would be included in a
>>>>>> publically released product, but what is usual about Apple? (SMILE)!
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> @> @> -----Original Message-----
>>>> @> @> ,f3 electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>>>>> Keller
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:43 PM
>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jim and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I asked AT&T if Jelly Bean was even out, and they told me not yet
>>>>>> on their end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Android phones that I've seen that run Ice Cream Sandwich are
>>>>>> much more of a pain than I think they're worth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I restored my iPhone 4S to factory settings and put all my junk
>>>>>> back on it. Hopefully that will solve SIRI's attitude ininsmile*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still have to re-download my apps again, but that's for another
>>>>>> day next week as my husband is going to be baptized tomorrow and I
>>>>>> frankly don't have the time or energy, or even, not to be a brat,
>>>>>> but inclination, to do it right now as you all can imagine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If nothing else, I'll just wait till the new iPhone update to 6
>>>>>> comes out and hope that SIRI's bugs have been fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a great night and weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, we've moved far away from the original question which was
>>>>>>> recomendations for an android phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I said some of this earlier, but I'll repeat it and add more here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, I highly recommend trying to make the iPhone work for you.
>>>>>>> I believe it really is the best option out there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next, if you really want to try out an android phone, look for one
>>>>>>> that hsi running Jelly Bean. The Jelly Bean version of talkBack
>>>>>>> now has the "explore by touch" technology built into the phone,
>>>>>>> which makes for a much nicer user experience for blind users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to which phone to get, I can recommend the "droid 4" phone,
>>>>>>> which runs on Verizon. For other carriers, you'll need to ask
>>>>>>> around. Some
>>>>>>> things you'll care about are...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Does the phone have a physical keyboard, D-pad, joystick etc?
>>>>>>> How do they feel in your hand?
>>>>>>> NOTE: you don't have to have these controls to use an android
>>>>>>> phone running Jelly Bean, but it really will help.
>>>>>>> * Does the phone run Jelly Bean?
>>>>>>> * How is the phone's battery life?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:03:37AM com0400, Julie Phillipson wrote:
>>>>>>>> hay you can get ear buds that have different size covers for
>>>>>>>> small, medium and large and they block out noise around you. I
>>>>>>>> get them for
>>>>>>>> 10 bucks at drug store.com. They are like the old style ear bud
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> goes into the ear not just sit at the opening of the ear. Those
>>>>>>>> other kind of buds hurt my ears too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julie Phillipson
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
>>>> @> >>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> @> >>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible android
>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have very small ear connals, and very small ears that make it
>>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>> to find a bluetooth headset that fits properly that doesn't cost
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> fortune.
>>>>>>>>> I have one that sort of works, but it causes pain after wearing
>>>>>>>>> it for any long periods of time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, our bus terminal is in a fowl neighborhood and some of the
>>>>>>>>> people who ride the bus are not the kind of people you'd want to
>>>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>>>> know that you have an iPhone 4S.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Love the joke though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How can something on your head cause a pain in your behind? LOL!
>>>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> @> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> @> >>>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>>>>>>>>>> Keller
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible
>>>>>>>>>> android phone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are bugs on the iPhone 4S such as SIRI deciding to stop
>>>>>>>>>> working and having to reset the phone at least twice a day.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> there is also the bug that voiceover gets drowned out when you
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> to push a number for the menus on phone things like press one
>>>>>>>>>> for etc. You can use a bluetooth or headset for that, but I
>>>>>>>>>> don't like
>>>>>>>>>> to have anything on my head, so it's a pain in the behind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes, when just using the touch screen itself, if you are
>>>>>>>>>> on the contacts screen and you press contacts, it will flip to
>>>>>>>>>> a blank
>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> things like that irritate me, and if I wanted a phone that
>>>>>>>>>> didn't have the capacity for SIRI working correctly, I would've
>>>>>>>>>> just gotten the iPhone 4 and not have had to spend the extra
>>>>>>>>>> money, especially with the bug in voiceover that gets drowned
>>>>>>>>>> out by the
>>>>>> speaker phone.
>>>>>>>>>> I called Apple Accessibility about both issues and they said
>>>>>>>>>> they were bugs and that they couldn't do anything about it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> therefore, I have an upgrade available, and am seriously
>>>>>>>>>> considering an android phone. Though the Galaxy S3 turned out
>>>>>>>>>> to be way ore complicated than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Jenny,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm writing you back as I think my comments will be useful to
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been playing with various Android phones recently, and
>>>>>>>>>>> they are slowly catching up with the iPhone, in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>> usability.
>>>>>>>>>>> There are a few good reasons to go with an android phone, but
>>>>>>>>>>> you should be aware of wha you're getting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you could tell us more about what you find frustrating
>>>>>>>>>>> about the iPhone, we can help you figure out if Android will
>>>>>>>>>>> be a better
>>>>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 05:12:39PM com0500, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am getting very frustrated with my iPhone 4S and looked at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Galaxy 3s last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I found it to be more of a pain than it was worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I want an android that is at least Ice Cream Sandwich. Any
>>>>>>>>>> suggestions, and I would appreciate it if you would give me
>>>>>>>>>> reasons
>>>>>>>>>> and good points and even bad about the phone you suggest.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please write me off list as to keep traffic down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny
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Hi from Jennifer Hall-I am new to the list and was wondering if this is
a list that welcomes electronics questions? I am trying to emerse
myself in all of the new things available to us and occasionally run
into trouble.
I have one question for now. I am a JAWS 11 user and am trying to learn
how to create newfolders on things like my "My Book" 1TB drive and even
my 16GB PNY thumb drive. I have used the context key the only way I
know how and nothing seems to happen.
Any help would be appreciated and I thank you for this list!
Blessings,
Jennifer
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