[Electronics-talk] Miniguide

Thu Dec 12 17:49:35 UTC 2013

is this a blindness philosophy list?  I thought it was a list in which 
people discussed accessible electronics.  Maybe in the spirit of Christmas 
or as a New Year's resolution, you could all agree to disagree and just get 
on with your lives already.  Think of it this way:  will this discussion 
matter in 5 years, or even in 5 minutes?  Please will you all give it a rest 
already?
Jenny
"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to
please everybody."
Bill Cosby
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
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Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Miniguide


>I agree not every moment is a teachable moment, but if someone takes the 
>time to teach and give more than just the answer, why is that a bad thing?
>
> I'm not sure about this real world you're referring to. At my office one 
> time, I was chastised by a peer for doing something for another employee. 
> She said she was trying to make him more independent. I explained that 
> there are three kinds of people in the world.
> 1) There are those people who just won't learn to do it for themselves, 
> and it's just more efficient for you to do it for them then to try to 
> explain to them every time how they can do it for themselves.
> 2) There are those people who will get it, and be able to do it on their 
> own, if you explain it to them enough times.
> 3) There are those people that just need to be shown once or just pointed 
> in the right direction and their on their own from that point on.
> The person I explained this to agreed with me and agreed that the employee 
> I helped was in that first category.
>
> I was the only blind person in this office, so I consider this a real 
> world experience. Furthermore, I came to this realization after teaching 
> and working in the real world for years if not decades. Sure if an issue 
> can just be resolved by tossing off some information you know off the top 
> of your head then an answer might just suffice. However, in this case, Jim 
> had to look the answer up himself, he didn't know it off the top of his 
> head. Not only did he answer the question, but he also explained what he 
> did to get the answer. I'm probably considered snarky myself, but I'll 
> frequently look something up on the web before answering a question, often 
> just to check my facts. I'll include the link where I got the information 
> in my message in addition to answering the question. I do this so the 
> person can check my facts--I often see misinformation spread on these 
> lists.--and to let them know where to go to get more information or answer 
> a question like this in the future. Not only do I consider this normal 
> behavior, but I consider it to be good practice.
>
> On 12/12/2013 10:38 AM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>> Freud supposedly said that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Everything 
>> doesn't always have to be a teachable moment. If someone repeatedly asks 
>> questions, a lesson may be in order, but if someone occasionally asks a 
>> simple question, and you have the answer, why not just tell him? That's 
>> how it is usually done in the real world.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 6:46 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Miniguide
>>
>> I didn't think Jim was being snarky at all. Sure, if he'd just said
>> "look it up", but he didn't. I think it was a good example of someone
>> giving you a fish and teaching you to fish as well. Google is a great
>> resource, and I think it's a good idea to make sure people realize it.
>>
>> On 12/11/2013 08:08 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
>>> You may not want to seem it, but you are.  Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Barbour
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 6:24 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Miniguide
>>>
>>> I really don't want to seem snarky, but Google is your friend for
>>> questions like this.  I typed in "miniguide blind" and got good
>>> information.
>>>
>>> http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopminiguide.htm
>>>
>>> The short version is...
>>>
>>> Detect obstacles in the palm of your hand with the 2 ounce ultrasonic
>>> Miniguide.
>>>
>>> Augment information from other mobility aids, like the cane or dog
>>> guide,with obstacle-detection by the Miniguide from 1.5 to 26 feet.
>>>
>>> The Miniguide is 3 inches long, 1.4 inches wide and .75 inches thick
>>> including the single 123A battery. Two sensors covered by mesh at the
>>> front of the unit send and receive the detection signals. Durable
>>> plastic casing covers the rest of the unit.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 05:16:02PM -0600, Snow White Dove wrote:
>>>> I’m sorry if I sound ignorant, but what is a mini guide?
>>>>
>>>> I’ve never heard of it before.
>>>>
>>>> Could someone give me some info on it.  It can be short and sweet and
>>>> it can even be off list if necessary or preferable.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for understanding my ignorance about electronics of that sort.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Sarah Clark <sarah at sarahaclark.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> I am about to purchase a Miniguide, and I have a question for anyone
>>>> who > has one. I know that in addition to the regular Miniguide, there
>>>> is also > a Miniguide US version made by APH, and the US version costs
>>>> almost $200 > more, so I am trying to figure out if the US version is
>>>> worth the > additional cost?  From what I understand, they both do the
>>>> same thing, > the US version just gives quicker access to some of the
>>>> functions by > adding a second button. But the regular Miniguide
>>>> sounds completely > usable to me. I am wondering if people find the US
>>>> version worthwhile > over the regular version, and if there is some
>>>> other benefit to the US > version that I may be overlooking?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Sarah
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