[Electronics-talk] Please accept my apology [was "Re: Miniguide"]

Fri Dec 13 17:50:34 UTC 2013

I just want to apologize to the moderator and the list for my behavior 
over the last few days. At the time, I sincerely thought I was 
responding to specific points, correcting errors and adding to my 
original points. In hindsight though, I realize I was being repetitive 
and perpetuating a thread that should never have gone on for as long as 
it did. I fear I also fell into the fallacy that I could make people see 
my points and agree with me if I was just clear and persuasive enough. I 
wish I had just said my piece and moved on. I hope the moderator and the 
list will accept my apology.

On 12/12/2013 06:55 PM, Oso Calmo wrote:
> Christopher, could you, please, stop this?
> This is taking us nowhere.  I'm tired of deleting all these subjective
> messages that have nothing to do with "discussion of electronic devices".
>
> Thanks to those who explained about the miniguide.  The miniguide is an
> electronic device, I believe, and the question was a good question: now
> I know what it is.  Thanks.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
> <chaltain at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Miniguide
>
>
>> Of course these lists are for asking questions. Pointing out that you
>> can use Google to find an answer to a question isn't the same thing as
>> telling someone they can't use the list to ask a question. I don't
>> think we should assume that everyone knows how to use Google and that
>> it can be a valuable resource when answering such a question.
>>
>> Google is a fantastic service, and I don't think there's anything
>> wrong with pointing that out to someone. It may be that no one knows
>> the answer to the question, or it'll be awhile before the person with
>> the answer gets around to answering the question, and the person could
>> use that time to find it on their own with Google. I've seen well
>> meaning people also pass on erroneous information on a list. They just
>> know what they know, and things may have changed since they bought a
>> product or researched an issue themselves. Google will help you find
>> first source information.
>>
>> IMHO, these lists are great for things that you won't be able to find
>> with Google, such as how is the accessibility of a given off the shelf
>> product. I personally think Google is much more efficient when it
>> comes to answering a question like how much does that cost, where can
>> I get it or what is it?
>>
>> Jim didn't know what this was himself, so he looked it up and passed
>> that information on to the list. I don't have a problem with him
>> pointing out that he found the information himself using Google. I
>> really don't see why someone saying "Google is your friend" considered
>> so snarky. I'll frequently look something up myself if I'm interested
>> and answer a question on a list, similar to what Jim did. This
>> discussion though will give me pause on how trying to help someone
>> will be perceived.
>>
>> On 12/12/2013 04:58 PM, Snow White Dove wrote:
>>>   I don't want to seem snarky either,
>>> But what are these emails list for if you can't ask questions and get
>>> answers.
>>> If I had a question and I wanted to look at Google I wouldn't be on
>>> the mailing list now what I.
>>> Jenny
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I really don't want to seem snarky, but Google is your friend for
>>>> questions like this.  I typed in "miniguide blind" and got good
>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopminiguide.htm
>>>>
>>>> The short version is...
>>>>
>>>> Detect obstacles in the palm of your hand with the 2 ounce ultrasonic
>>>> Miniguide.
>>>>
>>>> Augment information from other mobility aids, like the cane or dog
>>>> guide,with obstacle-detection by the Miniguide from 1.5 to 26 feet.
>>>>
>>>> The Miniguide is 3 inches long, 1.4 inches wide and .75 inches thick
>>>> including the single 123A battery. Two sensors covered by mesh at the
>>>> front of the unit send and receive the detection signals. Durable
>>>> plastic casing covers the rest of the unit.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 05:16:02PM -0600, Snow White Dove wrote:
>>>>> I’m sorry if I sound ignorant, but what is a mini guide?
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve never heard of it before.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could someone give me some info on it.  It can be short and sweet
>>>>> and it can even be off list if necessary or preferable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for understanding my ignorance about electronics of that sort.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Sarah Clark <sarah at sarahaclark.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> I am about to purchase a Miniguide, and I have a question for
>>>>>> anyone who has one. I know that in addition to the regular
>>>>>> Miniguide, there is also a Miniguide US version made by APH, and
>>>>>> the US version costs almost $200 more, so I am trying to figure
>>>>>> out if the US version is worth the additional cost?  From what I
>>>>>> understand, they both do the same thing, the US version just gives
>>>>>> quicker access to some of the functions by adding a second button.
>>>>>> But the regular Miniguide sounds completely usable to me. I am
>>>>>> wondering if people find the US version worthwhile over the
>>>>>> regular version, and if there is some other benefit to the US
>>>>>> version that I may be overlooking?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Sarah
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