[Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android

Wed Dec 31 10:43:42 UTC 2014

Well Pamela, I'm sorry to tell you, but most androids are on touch screen.
It is kind of like when people tried to hold onto the horse and buggy when
cars first came out, if you don't embrace and explore technology it will
often just steam roll right over you regardless of your preferences, it
takes no consideration of sentimental views. It's like if you only preferred
VHS movies and were mad that all of the new movies are on disk or streaming
download, you either roll with the punches or get left behind, technology is
not a discerner of personal preference, it is all about convenience for
better or worse.

-----Original Message-----
From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 1:13 AM
To: Christopher Chaltain; Discussion of accessible electronics and
appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android

That's why I don't want an iPhone, because of all of those stupid gestures
and the touch screen.  At least you can use push button phones if you have
android.  I can't say anything else, since I don't have either, but if I had
to choose, I would lean toward android, unless they take away all the push
button phones from that, too.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-talk
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:10 AM
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android

Some people say Talk Back feels bolted on to Android whereas VoiceOver feels
built into IOS, but I don't feel this way myself. I would be curious to hear
examples from people on why they feel this way. It may be true though, since
I know you can update Talk Back on Android without updating Android, which I
think is a good feature. On Apple, I know you need to upgrade the operating
system to get the latest and greatest screen reader.

I don't have an exhaustive list of feature where Talk Back needs to catch up
with VoiceOver, but a few off the top of my head are:
1) You can simulate more VoiceOver commands from a bluetooth keyboard than
you can Talk Back commands.
2) VoiceOver allows for braille input.
3) You have hierarchical navigation with VoiceOver, e.g. you can navigate by
headings, links, tables, lists and so on.
4) VoiceOver has a larger set of gestures and some gestures, like moving by
character, word, line, .., are quicker to get to in VoiceOver.

Note, I'm still running Android 4.4 with the latest Talk Back. Talk Back
also struggles with web views in some applications, although I've heard this
has gotten better in Android 5.

On 12/19/2014 06:21 AM, Star Gazer via Electronics-talk wrote:
> Such as? What does talkback need to catch up on? Asking to be serious 
> not to be an ass. I really do want to know.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Monthian Buntan via Electronics-talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:00 PM
> To: Dennis Long; Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android
>
> True or false is rather subjective. Android accessibility is, 
> unfortuantely, not universally built into the system of Android.
> There're a lot of things Talkback needs to catch up.
>
> Best,
>
> Monthian.
>
>
> On 19/12/2557 6:45, Dennis Long wrote:
>> that is absolutely not true.
>>
>> On 12/18/2014 6:16 PM, Monthian Buntan via Electronics-talk wrote:
>>> I've been using both. I found android phone to remain a toy while 
>>> iPhone to be more so of a working tool.
>>> Better see whether android 5.01 will give us any significant 
>>> improvement.
>>> Best,
>>> Monthian.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "I've given up on giving up."
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>>>
>>>> On Dec 19, 2557 BE, at 5:15 AM, Aleeha Dudley via Electronics-talk 
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I feel quite geeky but I don't want my main communication device to 
>>>> have so many issues that I can't get work done. I need a phone, not 
>>>> a puzzle. So iPhone it is for me.
>>>>
>>>> Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio 
>>>> Association of blind students Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com "The wind 
>>>> of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears."
>>>> Arabian proverb
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Jim Barbour via Electronics-talk 
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a very geeky/techy guy who loves figuring things out, and the 
>>>>> android isn't for my taste either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Talkback just feels very bolted on, not well integrated into the 
>>>>> opeating environment at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 02:44:58PM -0500, Linda Bloodsaw wrote:
>>>>>> I just entered the smartphone market this year with an Android.
>>>>>> Too many unlabeled buttons for my taste. I have been using an 
>>>>>> iPhone for a month, and I like it much better. It is easier to 
>>>>>> use for me.  I cannot remember which podcast I was listening to, 
>>>>>> but the person said if you are the kind of person who likes 
>>>>>> figuring things out, or finding a work around, a geeky type of 
>>>>>> person, then Android is for you.  If you want something that just 
>>>>>> works, then an iPhone would be better for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Jim Barbour via Electronics-talk 
>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would make sure you know what you're getting before you get it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I keep hoping that Android/Talkback will improve to rival the 
>>>>>>> user experience I get on the iPhone, but it hasn't happened yet.
>>>>>>> Every time a new Android version is released, I find a Nexus 
>>>>>>> device and try it out.  Even with Lollypop, it's not that great yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are some reasons to go with Android.  Cost and employer 
>>>>>>> lock in being at the top of the list, along with the ability to 
>>>>>>> find phones with physical buttons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm trying to provide a balanced viewpoint here, while still 
>>>>>>> making my own personal preferences known.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 09:20:31AM -0500, Star Gazer via 
>>>>>>>> Electronics-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been a longtime Iphone user. My husband recently got a 
>>>>>>>> Galaxy 5s phone and I discovered that it talks. I'm thinking of 
>>>>>>>> switching to an Android phone and want to know what others 
>>>>>>>> think. Does it read apps well?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far, it seems to read texts and the home screen. I had some 
>>>>>>>> trouble using Facebook but don't know if that was due to a 
>>>>>>>> poorly designed app, or me not knowing what I was doing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd be curious to know if others on the list have had 
>>>>>>>> experiences with the speech output feature of the Galaxy 5s and 
>>>>>>>> what those experiences have been.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks much
>>>>>>>>
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