[Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android

Star Gazer pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
Wed Dec 31 16:39:32 UTC 2014 

Thank you Jenny. 
This is what worries me. Can you explain a bit more in detail? What can't
you do that you could do before?


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From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Jenny Perdue via Electronics-talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:53 AM
To: Poppa Bear; Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android

In my opinion, and I have tried two different Android phones and several
generations of the I Phone.  I-Phone is a much easier platform.  I currently
have an Android phone and find it so miserable and can't upgrade for a year
that I disconnected the package with my carrier because I was unable to use
it in a way that I felt made it worth what I paid for services.

I'm sure that others would probably disagree and are probably fuming as they
read this.

Just remember I started this with the phrase, "In my opinion."

On 12/31/14, Poppa Bear via Electronics-talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> Well Pamela, I'm sorry to tell you, but most androids are on touch screen.
> It is kind of like when people tried to hold onto the horse and buggy 
> when cars first came out, if you don't embrace and explore technology 
> it will often just steam roll right over you regardless of your 
> preferences, it takes no consideration of sentimental views. It's like 
> if you only preferred VHS movies and were mad that all of the new 
> movies are on disk or streaming download, you either roll with the 
> punches or get left behind, technology is not a discerner of personal 
> preference, it is all about convenience for better or worse.
>
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> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 1:13 AM
> To: Christopher Chaltain; Discussion of accessible electronics and 
> appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android
>
> That's why I don't want an iPhone, because of all of those stupid 
> gestures and the touch screen.  At least you can use push button 
> phones if you have android.  I can't say anything else, since I don't 
> have either, but if I had to choose, I would lean toward android, 
> unless they take away all the push button phones from that, too.  Pam.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-talk
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:10 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android
>
> Some people say Talk Back feels bolted on to Android whereas VoiceOver 
> feels built into IOS, but I don't feel this way myself. I would be 
> curious to hear examples from people on why they feel this way. It may 
> be true though, since I know you can update Talk Back on Android 
> without updating Android, which I think is a good feature. On Apple, I 
> know you need to upgrade the operating system to get the latest and 
> greatest screen reader.
>
> I don't have an exhaustive list of feature where Talk Back needs to 
> catch up with VoiceOver, but a few off the top of my head are:
> 1) You can simulate more VoiceOver commands from a bluetooth keyboard 
> than you can Talk Back commands.
> 2) VoiceOver allows for braille input.
> 3) You have hierarchical navigation with VoiceOver, e.g. you can 
> navigate by headings, links, tables, lists and so on.
> 4) VoiceOver has a larger set of gestures and some gestures, like 
> moving by character, word, line, .., are quicker to get to in VoiceOver.
>
> Note, I'm still running Android 4.4 with the latest Talk Back. Talk 
> Back also struggles with web views in some applications, although I've 
> heard this has gotten better in Android 5.
>
> On 12/19/2014 06:21 AM, Star Gazer via Electronics-talk wrote:
>> Such as? What does talkback need to catch up on? Asking to be serious 
>> not to be an ass. I really do want to know.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Monthian Buntan via Electronics-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:00 PM
>> To: Dennis Long; Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android
>>
>> True or false is rather subjective. Android accessibility is, 
>> unfortuantely, not universally built into the system of Android.
>> There're a lot of things Talkback needs to catch up.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Monthian.
>>
>>
>> On 19/12/2557 6:45, Dennis Long wrote:
>>> that is absolutely not true.
>>>
>>> On 12/18/2014 6:16 PM, Monthian Buntan via Electronics-talk wrote:
>>>> I've been using both. I found android phone to remain a toy while 
>>>> iPhone to be more so of a working tool.
>>>> Better see whether android 5.01 will give us any significant 
>>>> improvement.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Monthian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "I've given up on giving up."
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>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 19, 2557 BE, at 5:15 AM, Aleeha Dudley via Electronics-talk 
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel quite geeky but I don't want my main communication device 
>>>>> to have so many issues that I can't get work done. I need a phone, 
>>>>> not a puzzle. So iPhone it is for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio 
>>>>> Association of blind students Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com "The wind 
>>>>> of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears."
>>>>> Arabian proverb
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Jim Barbour via Electronics-talk 
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a very geeky/techy guy who loves figuring things out, and the 
>>>>>> android isn't for my taste either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Talkback just feels very bolted on, not well integrated into the 
>>>>>> opeating environment at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 02:44:58PM -0500, Linda Bloodsaw wrote:
>>>>>>> I just entered the smartphone market this year with an Android.
>>>>>>> Too many unlabeled buttons for my taste. I have been using an 
>>>>>>> iPhone for a month, and I like it much better. It is easier to 
>>>>>>> use for me.  I cannot remember which podcast I was listening to, 
>>>>>>> but the person said if you are the kind of person who likes 
>>>>>>> figuring things out, or finding a work around, a geeky type of 
>>>>>>> person, then Android is for you.  If you want something that 
>>>>>>> just works, then an iPhone would be better for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Jim Barbour via Electronics-talk 
>>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would make sure you know what you're getting before you get it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I keep hoping that Android/Talkback will improve to rival the 
>>>>>>>> user experience I get on the iPhone, but it hasn't happened yet.
>>>>>>>> Every time a new Android version is released, I find a Nexus 
>>>>>>>> device and try it out.  Even with Lollypop, it's not that great 
>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are some reasons to go with Android.  Cost and employer 
>>>>>>>> lock in being at the top of the list, along with the ability to 
>>>>>>>> find phones with physical buttons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm trying to provide a balanced viewpoint here, while still 
>>>>>>>> making my own personal preferences known.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 09:20:31AM -0500, Star Gazer via 
>>>>>>>>> Electronics-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been a longtime Iphone user. My husband recently got a 
>>>>>>>>> Galaxy 5s phone and I discovered that it talks. I'm thinking 
>>>>>>>>> of switching to an Android phone and want to know what others 
>>>>>>>>> think. Does it read apps well?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far, it seems to read texts and the home screen. I had some 
>>>>>>>>> trouble using Facebook but don't know if that was due to a 
>>>>>>>>> poorly designed app, or me not knowing what I was doing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd be curious to know if others on the list have had 
>>>>>>>>> experiences with the speech output feature of the Galaxy 5s 
>>>>>>>>> and what those experiences have been.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks much
>>>>>>>>>
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