[Electronics-talk] Accessible Microwave?

Mon Aug 31 17:19:08 UTC 2015

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Mike

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Nicole:

Off-list: But what if Group A sees adverse consequences to what Group B is
asking for? Does not Group A have the right -- nay, the duty -- to point out
those adverse consequences?

Mike

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	I don't mind different strokes for different folks, but, what I do
mind, is when group B needs something different from group A, and group A
makes it harder for group B to get what they need.

Nicole

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In my experience, the political stuff has been lessening steadily over the
years. I occasionally hear of things that are said to go on by one
organization or the other but have personally experienced none of the same.
I'm sure there are those who harbor things, no doubt in both camps but think
that is the great minority. It's all right to have philosophical differences
and I do think the NFB is more active in the development end of things
technical, often in manners of which I don't necessarily approve but that
doesn't make them wrong and one isn't always going to agree with everything
in any given organization.

Respectfully,

Carol Jean, the resident technologically challenged individual in a house
full of geeks, and I say this lovingly.

-----Original Message-----
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Great writing Fred.

Rob Kaiser
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-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Wurtzel via Electronics-talk
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:42 PM
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Hello Gerald,

You are absolutely correct about the state of accessible microwave ovens.
Until recently, there has been a steep price to pay for access.  This is
changing.  Accessible phones, computers and even Braille equipment are all
coming down in price compared to mainstream products, though we still have a
way to go.

I am very sorry you feel this way about the NFB.  This happens to be an NFB
list paid for and operated by Nfb staff and volunteers. Its mere existence
informs many people, like yourself, about accessibility and makes us all
better consumers and advocates.

The NFB has the International Braille and Technology Center which has a
gigantic collection of technology which any blind person may visit and try
out in combination with any other device.  Staff of the IBTC have visited
and met with the top executives of many companies to assist them and to
advocate for making their products accessible.

The IBTC includes 3d printers and much, much more.  I bring up 3d printers
because this is very new technology and I have been working with the IBTC to
create accessible science models for blind youth in our Sensational
Adventures in Summer Science program.  In this way we are informing young
students on how to make their classrooms accessible and we work with
teachers to make classrooms more accessible.  Blind people are learning to
create 3d models which will allow other blind people to learn 3d printing
which has endless possibilities for employment and education.

These are just a few examples of the multitude of ways the NFB is working on
your behalf to make the world more accessible.  You may choose not to
belong, but it is certainly untrue that the NFB is not working in the best
interests of all blind people.  In addition to our staff at our national
center, there are a lot of blind volunteers working very hard for you and
all blind people regardless of whether you choose to help, or not.  Gerald,
I invite you to get involved in the organization and devote your efforts to
any topic for which you have a passion.  We have hundreds of divisions,
interest groups, affiliates and chapters who would welcome your help and
contributions.  Anything from Equestrian and Agriculture to Dog Guides to
Engineering to Piano Technology to Cooking and Crafts, along with hundreds
more,  are all available and in need of more energetic and interested
members.  Come join us and, together, we can all live the lives we choose.

Warmest Regards,

Fred

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Not a chance.  I, like most other blind people in this country shun these
organizations because they are constantly embroiled in internal politics to
the detriment of their members and promote self-serving agendas that do not
always have the bests interests of the blind at heart.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Freeman via Electronics-talk
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:10 AM
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Do *you* belong to either organization to make your voice heard?

Mike Freeman

> On Aug 30, 2015, at 03:55, Gerald Levy via Electronics-talk 
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> This is all well and good, but the Magic Chef talking microwave costs 
> about $400, which is outrageously overpriced for a unit of its capacity.
> Unfortunately, this is currently the only talking microwave on the 
> market, and I am not aware of any conventional models that have 
> tactile
keypads.
> Which means that any blind consumer in the market for a new microwave 
> will probably need sighted assistance to label the flat membrane 
> touchpad with tactile markers on some of the keys.  This state of 
> affairs has come about because the so-called blindness advocacy 
> organizations have done little to nothing to pressure appliance 
> manufacturers to make their products universally accessible.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: James Aldrich via Electronics-talk
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:32 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Cc: James Aldrich
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Microwave?
>
> My wife and I have the magic sheff talking microwave oven! It is built 
> well and is very dependable!
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Allison Depner via Electronics-talk 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>   Hi All,
>>
>> My microwave just conked out on me, and I was wondering if someone 
>> knows of a microwave that has a tactile key pad or touch pad.  I use 
>> the microwave a lot, and I'd really like to find one that is large 
>> enough to accommodate a large bowl and has a high voltage (or is that
>> wattage?)  Anyway, one that is pretty powerful.  Any suggestions you 
>> have would be welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alley
>>
>>
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