[Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] Color Identification Technology

Sat Dec 19 13:58:20 UTC 2015

Vince, are you actually chocolate-colored?  My color detector says I'm
orange, at least where I'm not brown or red.  I'm Caucasian, so I'd think
I'm more pink than orange. It always amuses me.
Tracy

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I've seen the color identifier you mentioned before, Andy.  I knew a guy
that had one and he used it to see if a page was blank.
It also would tell you the color spectrum, I believe.  Like, it would tell
you how much red and blue and the such were in the color.
The one thing I thought was weird about it was the bingo calling feature. 
There was no way to review the winning numbers.
This same identifier said that I was vivid chocolate when I put it on my
skin.  I've never heard of vivid chocolate until then.

Vince

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> In 2000 I purchased the Colortest 150 which was marketed by APH. At that
> time it was the only product available. It was expensive, about $600.
> Actually, this device performs several functions related to color and
> light, and is not just a simple color identifier. My experience is that
> it is accurate, even though at times my wife disagreed with its
> rendering. This usually happened with an article of clothing that the
> unit said was a very dark blue, but it looked black to my wife. It is
> true that human perception of color can vary depending on lighting, etc.
> The unit uses a very bright high intensity light. You place the unit
> right up in physical contact with the item that you want to text. In
> real life, we do not live in a world of bright light, so our perception
> of color will vary. When my wife placed the garment under a high
> intensity reading lamp that she had, she finally agreed that the garment
> was indeed a very dark blue.
>
> The Colortest will speak shadings in addition to a simple blue, red,
> etc. It will also give a reading for hue and intensity of the color. It
> can also give you a reading in terms of wave length. A chart in print
> and Braille is included, giving you the scale to use if you want to use
> this reading. The device has a kind of panning mode where it emits a
> tone that rises and falls as you move the device over a surface,
> allowing you to detect changes in color that might denote a pattern on
> the garment. It also serves as a simple light detector. So this device
> will render a lot of info, perhaps more than you want to know, but it
> will serve you well if you want to spend that amount of money. The
> device has undergone changes since I bought mine, and will detect even
> more colors and shades, and the price has risen accordingly. Since I
> bought mine, other cheaper devices have come on the market, but I have
> not tested them. Also, there are color detection apps for smart phones,
> but I think that these serve more as a source of entertainment than a
> useful service. Hopefully you will get feedback about the other devices
> available, but I would advise that you stick with a dedicated device as
> opposed to the smart phone apps.
>
> Andy
>
>
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>
>> Hello.
>> I have some questions regarding color identification technology. This
> could include dedicated devices, smart phone apps, etc.
>> I would like to know if anyone on this list has used a color
> identifier and found it to be consistently helpful. I have used several
> hardware solutions up to this point, and have encountered considerable
> difficulty. With each color identification tool I have owned over the
> years (maybe 2 or 3), I have asked sighted family members or friends to
> tell me if they agree or disagree with the answer given by the
> technology. The problem in my experience is that a large percentage of
> the time, the sighted people disagree with the answer given by the
> technology. I have had people tell me all kinds of things, like how
> everyone interprets colors differently. Some people have told me that
> the human brain doesn't see the actual color anyway. I don't know if
> this is true, but I honestly don't care very much personally. I simply
> want to coordinate my clothing largely according to color, and to do
> this as effectively, independently, and spontaneously as possible. I
> desire to use technology to this
> end if possible. I therefore care how people interpret the colors of my
> clothing. I want to have technology that agrees with the color analysis
> of sighted people most of the time. If it's not perfect, that's fine.
> But the technology I have tried has given results different from the
> human answers a huge percentage of the time. Even if this has been less
> than half of the time, it still concerns me a lot. Furthermore, most
> sighted people from whom I gather color information give answers that
> are mostly the same. Most people say a garment is a certain color, and
> if there has been an outlier in terms of the answer, it is usually on
> the part of the technology I have tried.
>> Has anyone else experienced this? Also, if anyone has bought a more
> expensive color identifier, I am wondering if this has increased
> accuracy. I am open to suggessions as well as questions.
>> I have also tried using some apps on my iPhone. I have definitely had
> the most success, though still spotty, with Tap Tap See. I am confident
> that others have tried this kind of approach as well. I like Tap Tap see
> more than other solutions I have tried thus far for a couple reasons.
> Most of all, I am pleased that there are humans available on the other
> end. This allows me to get an answer that I feel I can trust somewhat
> more. Also, when this method works its best, I am often told the pattern
> of my garment as well, such as plaid. I am totally blind, by the way. I
> know that many blind people have used various types of low-tech labeling
> solutions with clothing, such as metallic braille tags, various shapes,
> etc. I am open to using these methods as well. However, I want to gather
> information and perspectives from other blind people who have used color
> identification technology.
>> To summarize my opinions, I believe that color identification
> technology is one of the least reliable technologies I have used for
> independence up to this point. If others have had much better
> experiences, I would love to hear more, and be proven wrong. However, I
> can say for certain that in my experience, I have not had enough success
> with color identification technology to confidently coordinate my
> clothing by this means alone. Also, I went completely blind at age 4,
> and only know about 10 to 15 colors accurately in my head. In other
> words, I do not desire a color identifier that boasts more than 600
> colors or whatever. I am able to understand light, medium, and dark for
> many colors. Also, if there is a color that I did not have in my
> vocabulary as a small child, I will need someone to describe it in
> relation to the basic colors. This helps me a fare amount. Still, I
> prefer simpler answers over sophisticated ones. Finally, can anyone give
> advice regarding how to find optimal ligh
> ting for apps like Tap Tap See? Any and all advice is appreciated!
>> Thank you,
>> Ben
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