[Electronics-talk] Electronics-talk traffic signal app

Wed Jul 1 03:29:21 UTC 2015

Boy would I love to be in a court room should you get a ticket for crossing 
against the light when there is no traffic around, Steve.
I'd bet no self-respecting officer with the sense of a gnat would ticket a 
blind person in that case.
I had a mobility instructor tear me a new one once when I crossed when there 
was no traffic.  I told him I was not going to stand in 105 degree heat 
waiting for a car to appear.  and with that, I turned around and went home.

Vince

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Jacobson via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'" 
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Cc: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Electronics-talk traffic signal app

> Jim and others,
>
> My understanding, beyond Chris's concerns, is that some feel crossing when
> the light is red even without traffic technically puts them in violation 
> of
> the law.  I have personally not worried about this, although I tend to
> remain careful to listen for on-coming traffic, knowing that somebody 
> might
> speed to make it through a light before it changes.
>
> On a related issue, I would really like to understand better how people 
> who
> are hearing-impaired deal with this.  On the one hand, I do not want to 
> take
> a position that prevents someone from traveling, but I also don't feel I
> want to push for accessible lights on intersections that are pretty simple
> if they are not truly needed either.  When I cross a street, I am aware 
> that
> what I hear may not be as substantial as what others with normal vision 
> see,
> but I do feel that I get enough information in most cases to make 
> decisions
> about my safety.  For example, one of the bus stops I sometimes use is 
> about
> five blocks from my house, and the route there is along a somewhat busy
> street without a sidewalk.  I may not be able to hear a car as far away as
> someone sees it, but I can hear on-coming cars in plenty of time to be 
> sure
> I'm at the edge of the street.  What I would like to understand better is
> what people who are hearing-impaired use to make decisions about crossing 
> a
> street.  While I consider myself to be safer crossing when the light is
> green for me than when it is red, I never feel that the light is truly a
> guarantee of my safety.  I would personally not recommend that any blind
> person just cross when another person or an APS indicates is it okay 
> without
> being very aware of their surroundings such as turning cars, or cars
> approaching the intersection at what seems like an unusually fast speed.
>
> Do people who are severely hearing-impaired have other alternative
> techniques that help judge safety, or is it felt that one has the right to
> take the risk, if that is what it is?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jim Barbour via Electronics-talk
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:09 AM
> To: Christopher Chaltain
> Cc: Jim Barbour; Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Electronics-talk traffic signal app
>
> So Chris, you're saying that you don't trust the traffic to stay quiet 
> Long
> enough to get across all lanes?
>
> APS is audio pedestrian signal.
>
> Jim
>
> Written While on the Move
>
>> On Jun 29, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not Sarah, but I answered this question in a previous post, and I
> think Sarah answers it in the post you're replying to.
>>
>> As I said earlier, I have two streets I cross, where the cross traffic is
> very minimal but I need to cross four lanes of traffic, and due to either
> the traffic light patterns or the lack of any preceding traffic signals, 
> the
> cars can be traveling quite quickly. I want to make sure I have a full 
> cycle
> to cross all four lanes, and I can't do that without the cross traffic in
> these situations. I've also crossed streets late at night, again where the
> traffic is light, and barely made it across the street before a lone car
> came speeding by because I wasn't sure I had the full traffic cycle.
>>
>> BTW, what is meant by the acronym APS that you used?
>>
>>> On 06/28/2015 10:41 PM, Jim Barbour via Electronics-talk wrote:
>>> Hey Sarah,
>>>
>>> I hear you that I probably sound like I'm judging.  I do think it is not
> a smart thing for blind people to rely on APSs, except in rare 
> circumstances
> where the number of points of an intersection are very high, or some other
> one off traffic situation.
>>>
>>> Being deaf/blind has been mentioned as a reason to rely more on APSs. 
>>> Not
> knowing much about how those who are dead/blind travel, I completely 
> respect
> this option.
>>>
>>> Would you mind answering another question for me? This was asked the
> other day, and it still is a question I have. Why do you care if it is 
> quiet
> because there's no traffic, or because the signal is in your favor?  What
> are the circumstances when you wouldn't just obey the rule that if it's
> quiet, you would cross.
>>>
>>> Thanks Very Much,
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 06:53:21PM -0700, Sarah Clark via
> Electronics-talk wrote:
>>>> I am reading a lot of judgmental posts on this topic. It isn't
>>>> always as simple as listening to traffic patterns.  Besides the so
>>>> called "silent cars" that are becoming more and more prevalent, in
>>>> Beverly Hills where I live we have quite a number of intersections
>>>> where there is a 4 way walk signal -- meaning that it is time to
>>>> walk when all is quiet. (also allowing for diagonal crossings, which
>>>> I never do). Some of these intersections involve 1 or more streets
>>>> that are not especially busy, so you have no way of knowing if it is
>>>> quiet because it is time to cross or because there are simply no
>>>> cars coming through at the moment. Crossing some of these
>>>> intersections nearly every day I have learned to judge them based on
>>>> pattern of the cycle at that specific intersection (the patterns
>>>> vary from one intersection to another), but depending on the time of
>>>> day and how heavy the traffic is, this is not fool proof and I
>>>> sometimes judge wrong. And someone unfamiliar with the intersections
>>>> who needed to cross at off-peak times would find themselves in a
>>>> literal guessing game. I've found having a guide dog invaluable when
>>>> crossing these intersections, because in the event that my timing
>>>> was off and a car didn't give me the right of way once I started
> crossing (which they are legally required to do), the dog would see the 
> car
> coming and handle the situation accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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