[Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app

Sat Jun 27 18:50:37 UTC 2015

if audible traffic signals help pedestrians who are deaf/blind,  then by all means let's use that as a really good reason why APSs should be installed. 

Jim

Written While on the Move

> On Jun 27, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Gerald Levy via Electronics-talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> And suppose, like me, you are also severely hearing impaired and cannot accurately determine traffic flow patterns by sound, even with high-tech digital hearing aids?  At least audible traffic signals provide another piece of information that makes crossing a busy intersection a little safer. It amazes me that there are actually blindness advocacy organizations that oppose such audible signals and have fought hard to prevent them from being installed.  Unbelievable.
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> Gerald
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
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> 
>> The real question is what do you need an audible traffic signal or an iPhone app for? I generally cross intersections by relying on traffic patterns, not on something to tell me the color of the light.
>> 
>> Just my thought,
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> Written While on the Move
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>>> On Jun 27, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Mike Freeman via Electronics-talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> I guess my problem is that I don't see how *simple* vibration patterns could
>>> convey enough information about complex intersections and if it were a
>>> simple go-no-go, you'd be trusting the app and/or the traffic signal to make
>>> judgment calls for you. I guess I don't trust either the iPhone or the
>>> traffic signal to get it right.
>>> 
>>> I know what I shall say next is impractical. But I'd prefer a little remote
>>> that, when punched, would do the same thing emergency vehicles can do, that
>>> is, automagically turn lights green in the direction you're going. Ah, what
>>> fun!
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
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>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Campbell via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 9:27 AM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Elizabeth Campbell
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
>>> 
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> I do think the smart phone app is worth considering as I don't see why you
>>> would need ear buds when a developer could incorporate vibration patterns to
>>> indicate the status of the traffic signal.And of course, we have to rely on
>>> our own hearing and judgment first and foremost when crossing streets.
>>> I see this app as a tool to supplement our travel, in the same way that some
>>> use Blind Square or other GPS apps.
>>> 
>>> JMO
>>> 
>>> Liz
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>>> Behalf Of cheez via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 11:10 AM
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>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
>>> 
>>> So, I guess Phoenix isn't the only city with the audible signals that sound
>>> like a machine gun.  When I asked a person from The City why the change was
>>> made, he said a group of engineers decided that sound was better than a
>>> chirp or beep.  I told him I'd bet anything not one of them were blind nor
>>> cross intersections.  I also pointed out that those with hearing deficits
>>> may not be able to hear the new sound.
>>> 
>>> Mike, I get what you're saying about the delay of a traffic light's
>>> information.  But perhaps the app could be launched before you leave, and
>>> then run in the background.
>>> 
>>> As far as headphones are concerned, we may see future devices coming out
>>> with the bone-conducting headphones included.
>>> 
>>> Vince
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
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>>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:18 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
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>>> 
>>>> Hi, Elizabeth.
>>>> 
>>>> With respect, I beg to differ with you. By the time an app told you what
>>>> you
>>>> needed to know, the light would have changed. Moreover, you'd need earbuds
>>>> or those bone-conducting headphones to hear your i-device anyway. And I
>>>> wouldn't want to be fiddling with an app at a street crossing when, in the
>>>> end, like everyone else, I'm dependent upon my senses and my brain to mind
>>>> its P's and Q's.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, such an app and the underlying infrastructure would be way too easy
>>>> to
>>>> hack -- not a comforting thought when my posterior is on the line.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike Freeman
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Campbell via Electronics-talk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:12 AM
>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>> Cc: Elizabeth Campbell
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>> 
>>>> I agree that having such an app would be extremely helpful. I really don't
>>>> like the audible signals that are currently in use, but I think a smart
>>>> phone app is a great idea.
>>>> It would also benefit us since cars are much quieter now. Also, we have to
>>>> contend with annoying, turning traffic.
>>>> 
>>>> Best
>>>> 
>>>> Liz
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 10:00 AM
>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Traffic signal app
>>>> 
>>>> Someone said they'd heard about work on an app to identify when a traffic
>>>> light was walk or don't walk.  Anyone know any more about this?  I keep
>>>> thinking how useful that would be.  As I'm getting older, I don't hear the
>>>> traffic changes as well as I used to.  And an app seems a lot cheaper than
>>>> putting in audible signals.  And I keep hearing about traffic signals
>>>> having
>>>> all kinds of "smart" things built in, so maybe an app could build on
>>>> something already there.
>>>> 
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
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