[Electronics-Talk] Keysoft
Steve Jacobson
steve.jacobson at visi.com
Wed Apr 6 18:46:53 UTC 2016
Laury,
By any chance are you holding in the reset button? If you hold the reset
button in for five seconds or so, the Apex apparently does a hardware reset.
To do a Software reset, one just presses the reset button for a short period
of time and then release it. A soft reset should not reset the time while a
hardware reset will.
Beyond that, though, I agree completely that there are too many time one has
to reset these devices.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
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Hello I have a braille note apex and I find that anytime I charge it I'm
unable to use it without resetting it first. It has been sent to Humanware
twice and they say that this isn't supposed to be happening. I also have to
reset the time anytime that I have to reset it. I'm really getting tired of
calling them to complain about it and even after I receive it back it has
the same issue.
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1. Re: Keysoft (Aleeha Dudley)
2. Re: Keysoft (Pamela Dominguez)
3. Re: Keysoft (Pamela Dominguez)
4. Re: which model of Keurig please? (Chip Orange)
5. Re: which model of Keurig please? (Andrews, David B (DEED))
6. Re: which model of Keurig please? (tina sohl)
7. Re: which model of Keurig please? (Jim Shaffer)
8. Re: Android-based braille notetakers (Steve Jacobson)
9. Re: Android-based braille notetakers (Jim McCarthy)
10. Re: which model of Keurig please? (Pamela Dominguez)
11. Re: Keysoft (Christopher Chaltain)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:25:24 -0500
From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
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That happens with all note takers, in my experience. In fact, it's just a
computer thing. Sometimes it just hangs and needs reset.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 12:36, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I've been using a BrailleNote PK for several years, until it gave up the
> ghost a couple weeks ago.
>
> My only complaint is that, every week or two, it would get hung up and I'd
> need to reset it. It wasn't hard, but it was annoying.
>
> Is this common with BrailleNotes? Is it something to do with Keysoft, or
> was it just some limitation in the PK?
>
> If it's Keysoft, it would be a mark against getting another BrailleNote
> machine.
>
> Tracy
>
>
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Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:50:20 -0400
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That would happen to my braille lite 40. Somebody on one of the lists said
he thinks I have a bad chip in it. Another person I spoke to recently said
something else about the connections in it. But anyway, when I had to reset
it, I would lose everything and have to start all over again. Pam.
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Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Keysoft
I've been using a BrailleNote PK for several years, until it gave up the
ghost a couple weeks ago.
My only complaint is that, every week or two, it would get hung up and I'd
need to reset it. It wasn't hard, but it was annoying.
Is this common with BrailleNotes? Is it something to do with Keysoft, or
was it just some limitation in the PK?
If it's Keysoft, it would be a mark against getting another BrailleNote
machine.
Tracy
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:52:57 -0400
From: Pamela Dominguez <geodom at optonline.net>
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It didn't happen with the other two braille lites I had, just that one. But
that one was a referb. Pam.
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That happens with all note takers, in my experience. In fact, it's just a
computer thing. Sometimes it just hangs and needs reset.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 12:36, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I've been using a BrailleNote PK for several years, until it gave up the
> ghost a couple weeks ago.
>
> My only complaint is that, every week or two, it would get hung up and I'd
> need to reset it. It wasn't hard, but it was annoying.
>
> Is this common with BrailleNotes? Is it something to do with Keysoft, or
> was it just some limitation in the PK?
>
> If it's Keysoft, it would be a mark against getting another BrailleNote
> machine.
>
> Tracy
>
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 19:01:48 +0000
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Hi Lauren,
Can I just throw in a recommendation for the Tassimo brewer instead? It has
several advantages and is about the same price; and only has a single button
and no other control.
It's primary advantage is that it can do liquids, so you can buy packages
for late's or capachinos (with a milk pod for each); or hot chocolate; or
pumpkin spice late; or moca java (with a separate chocolate syrup pod). You
put in the milk pod and pres the button; when the sound quits you put in the
coffee or tea pod and press the button again; and you have a capachino (or
just a regular coffee if you don't use a two pod drink).
The disadvantage is that it's pods aren't sold at as many places: primarily
Bed Bath and Beyond stores; and then Amazon and other mail order places.;
All of its pods are bar coded with instructions so you don't have to do
anything, the brewer reads the instructions and does all of the operations.
They also offer a chai tea late for tea drinkers (and regular english tea;
earl gray tea; etc.).
Hth,
Chip
Chip Orange
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Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314
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Subject: [Electronics-Talk] which model of Keurig please?
Hi,
As of just now, my Keurig machine has bitten the dust in a rattly way.
Please can you advise me on which model to get that still has buttons. I
knew it was on its way out because it was singing a gravelly song of
impending death.
Thanks,
Lauren
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 19:11:57 +0000
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How expensive are the Pods?
Dave
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Hi Lauren,
Can I just throw in a recommendation for the Tassimo brewer instead? It has
several advantages and is about the same price; and only has a single button
and no other control.
It's primary advantage is that it can do liquids, so you can buy packages
for late's or capachinos (with a milk pod for each); or hot chocolate; or
pumpkin spice late; or moca java (with a separate chocolate syrup pod). You
put in the milk pod and pres the button; when the sound quits you put in the
coffee or tea pod and press the button again; and you have a capachino (or
just a regular coffee if you don't use a two pod drink).
The disadvantage is that it's pods aren't sold at as many places: primarily
Bed Bath and Beyond stores; and then Amazon and other mail order places.;
All of its pods are bar coded with instructions so you don't have to do
anything, the brewer reads the instructions and does all of the operations.
They also offer a chai tea late for tea drinkers (and regular english tea;
earl gray tea; etc.).
Hth,
Chip
Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314
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From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
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Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
Cc: Lauren Merryfield
Subject: [Electronics-Talk] which model of Keurig please?
Hi,
As of just now, my Keurig machine has bitten the dust in a rattly way.
Please can you advise me on which model to get that still has buttons. I
knew it was on its way out because it was singing a gravelly song of
impending death.
Thanks,
Lauren
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Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:16:06 -0400
From: tina sohl <tinabir at samobile.net>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] which model of Keurig please?
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yOU can get some now by mr coffee that have a button and u just cycle
between sizes of cup and it does use k-cups. Check wityh target, to
start, I think that might be where we saw it and i think there are
other brands starting to make brewers now too that use k-cups which is
nice as they are cheaper in some cases than the name brand brewer.
Original message:
> Hi,
> As of just now, my Keurig machine has bitten the dust in a rattly way.
> Please can you advise me on which model to get that still has buttons. I
> knew it was on its way out because it was singing a gravelly song of
> impending death.
> Thanks,
> Lauren
> Blessings in Jesus' name! John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as He is
in
> the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus,
His
> Son, purifies us from all sin. ... My digital evangelism blog is at:
> w w w . ask in jesus name . org (remove the spaces).
> Advice from my cats:"meow when you feel like it."
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:35:56 -0500
From: "Jim Shaffer" <jjs at jjshaffer.net>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] which model of Keurig please?
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Chip, can you give us an idea of the price of these pods.
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To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
Cc: Chip Orange
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] which model of Keurig please?
Hi Lauren,
Can I just throw in a recommendation for the Tassimo brewer instead? It has
several advantages and is about the same price; and only has a single button
and no other control.
It's primary advantage is that it can do liquids, so you can buy packages
for late's or capachinos (with a milk pod for each); or hot chocolate; or
pumpkin spice late; or moca java (with a separate chocolate syrup pod). You
put in the milk pod and pres the button; when the sound quits you put in the
coffee or tea pod and press the button again; and you have a capachino (or
just a regular coffee if you don't use a two pod drink).
The disadvantage is that it's pods aren't sold at as many places: primarily
Bed Bath and Beyond stores; and then Amazon and other mail order places.;
All of its pods are bar coded with instructions so you don't have to do
anything, the brewer reads the instructions and does all of the operations.
They also offer a chai tea late for tea drinkers (and regular english tea;
earl gray tea; etc.).
Hth,
Chip
Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:39 AM
To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
Cc: Lauren Merryfield
Subject: [Electronics-Talk] which model of Keurig please?
Hi,
As of just now, my Keurig machine has bitten the dust in a rattly way.
Please can you advise me on which model to get that still has buttons. I
knew it was on its way out because it was singing a gravelly song of
impending death.
Thanks,
Lauren
Blessings in Jesus' name! John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in
the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His
Son, purifies us from all sin. ... My digital evangelism blog is at:
w w w . ask in jesus name . org (remove the spaces).
Advice from my cats:"meow when you feel like it."
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 15:31:34 -0500
From: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Android-based braille notetakers
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Tracy,
I was not at CSUN either. However, I found valuable information at
http://www.blindbargains.com
and go to their audio page. There are a number of interviews that were done
at CSUN including one with Humanware. Those interviews were particularly
good at describing the physical devices that were being discussed. The
humanware product is one piece in terms of the braille display and the
tablet. You can braille on the tablet using an on-screen braille keyboard
system. However, as was mentioned, there is an actual perkins style
keyboard that is integrated into the case that can be used as if it were a
one piece unit. Some of your questions will not be answered, however.
Also, Brad raises some extremely good points. The fact that there are three
or more Android devices, they really don't have all that much in common.
You can't assume much. The one from Humanware has the Keysoft apps that
will work as they did pretty much on the Apex. Nothing was said during the
interview, though, if they have updated their Keysoft software other than
moving it to Android. I think their email program for example left much to
be desired as it existed on the BrailleNote. I believe that Braille to Go
mostly uses actually Android apps to perform its functions, so we don't know
how smoothly they work. One of the other Android devices only lets you get
apps from their own app store that were specially written for their device
although one might be able to leave their environment and use Android.
After listening to a bunch of these well done interviews, I feel both
excited for the numerous new products and a bit uneasy until I see more. If
money is a consideration, the Humanware products are $3,995 for a 18-cell
product and $5,495 for a 32-cell model. They are giving substantial
credits, though, if you have an old brailleNote. I believe the
Braille-to-go was $2,495. There is another note-taker that will become
available for $7,500 from Europe soon. It is going to take careful
research.
Best regards,
Steve
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I have looked at the Humanware site for the Braillenote Touch, but it's
light on actual specs.
Is it 3 pieces--braille display, touch tablet, and case? It seems rather
confusing to me.
Tracy
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Android-based braille notetakers
I am assuming that you two are talking about the Braille note touch, I've
not heard of the apex touch.
It definitely has a one line Braille display.
It also comes with a touchscreen tablet that you can Braille into much like
the iPhone's braille input utility. It also comes with a case that has
traditional braille keys on it.
Another android-based note taker that was introduced is the low cost Braille
display that the NFB has been involved in. It definitely has drawbacks, but
will cost under $500 which will be interesting to some.
Hope this helps,
Jim
Written While on the Move
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:51 AM, Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Greetings:
>
> I have had a brief audition of the Touch, and it includes a braille
> display. If it is a consideration, I'm sure if you contact humanware
> you can arrange an in-person audition. I don't know what plans the
> other manufacturers have for demonstrations.
>
> My direct e-mail is brad.hodges at outlook.com, if you would like to
> communicate directly.
>
> Brad
>
>
>> On 4/5/2016 9:26 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>> Thanks Brad.
>> I looked at the ad for the Humanware Touch, but it does not appear to
>> have a braille display, which for me is a deal-breaker.
>> Looking at the FS ad, it appears that the ElBraille will not be
>> available until at least convention. Since my current notetaker died
>> suddenly and I'm now using my good old slate for notes, I'm not sure
>> I'm willing to wait that long.
>> Your questions are certainly things worth thinking about.
>> Both the NeoBraille and B2G say they can have cellular connectivity,
>> but don't specifically say one could use them for phone calls.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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>> On Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 9:02 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>> Cc: Brad Hodges
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Android-based braille notetakers
>>
>> Tracy:
>>
>> While I was not at CSUN, I have had an opportunity to follow the
>> arrival of Android-based notetakers. In addition to the 2 you
>> mention, the Apex Touch, from Humanware is also available. Of the 3,
>> I would say that the Touch is the most available for immediate purchase.
>>
>> That having been said, in my opinion there are some very important
>> considerations created by the switch to the Android operating system
>> for our notetaker technology. Your questions illuminate several of
>> these. I also believe there is more that we don't know yet which we
>> should know in order to evaluate Android as a notetaker operating system.
>>
>> Rather than relating my understanding of the 2 you mention, and
>> relate my very brief experience with the Touch, last week-end, I
>> would encourage you to formulate a comprehensive set of evaluation
>> criteria to use as you have the opportunity to audition each of the 3
candidates.
>> Additionally, don't discount Freedom Scientific's L-Braille, which is
>> based on Windows 10 and integrates one of the companies existing
>> braille displays with a module containing the processor.
>>
>> I strongly suggest that those interested in a new notetaker hold off
>> until the candidates have made their actual arrival and are ready for
purchase.
>>
>> This question might also be something which we may want to address at
>> Convention. Perhaps a panel organized by one of our De visions.
>>
>> Here are a few of the questions which come to my mind so far.
>>
>> Since they are using an operating system which is intended to support
>> a mobile device does the notetaker include the ability to use cellular
data?
>> Will it support phone calls? How important is this to you?
>>
>> Which is more important, the availability of phone-like connectivity
>> and other exclusive features provided by Android, or an updated
>> experience with a familiar menu structure and existing set of features?
>>
>> We are accustom to a very fast and responsive interface on legacy
>> devices, is the notetaker equally as responsive?
>>
>> How quickly can the notetaker be activated for immediate input, such
>> as capturing a note or appointment? Is there both a sleep mode and
>> power down mode? If so what is the difference?
>>
>> Is the interface logical and easy to follow?
>>
>> Since this is an Android device, what is the relationship between the
>> interface and apps provided by the manufacturer and those apps
>> available through the Play Store?
>>
>> Can Talkback, the Android screen reader be used? If so how does that
>> experience contrast with built in menus etc?
>>
>> How does the notetaker feel while in use? Is the form factor convenient?
>> Are keys convenient and responsive? If a touch screen is used how do
>> your hands feel after an extended period of use?
>>
>> How do the braille cells feel? Do they meet your expectations if you
>> are experienced with notetaker or refreshable braille?
>>
>> How important is the ability of the notetaker to become part of
>> your personal echo system, allowing contacts, calendars, documents
>> and such to be shared across all your devices and phone? Does the
>> notetaker facilitate this if it is of importance?
>>
>> At the time of product announcements, in mid-March, 3 different
>> versions of Android were used, 1 each on the 3 devices. What is the
>> significance, if any, of the version of Android used in the notetaker
when purchased?
>> What is the impact of update availability, and who controls update
releases?
>>
>> Those are just a few quick thoughts which have been running around in
>> my mind. I hope that they may be of some use. It has been my
>> experience that careful planning and a consistent record of your
>> experience can help you make a choice with which you will be very
pleased.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 4/5/2016 7:16 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>> 2 new braille notetakers were announced at CSUN, the NeoBraille and
>>> the Braille2Go. Both are based on android phones.
>>>
>>> Did anyone happen to go to CSUN and actually use one of these new
>>> notetakers?
>>>
>>> I'm in the market for a new braille notetaker, and I'd like to know
>>> what the interface for either of these is like. Does one have to
>>> swipe around, or does one enter a command from the keyboard to bring
>>> up an app? If I need to quickly scribble a note, does the device
>>> come on quickly, or do I have to mess around with unlocking it, then
>>> starting
>> some app?
>>> I know it's a long shot, but I'd love to hear from anyone who's
>>> actually had hands on one of these new devices.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 16:49:26 -0400
From: "Jim McCarthy" <jmccarthy at mdtap.org>
To: "'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'"
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Android-based braille notetakers
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Steve, I actually found myself where the humanware interview took place at
CSUN and agree with the suggestion to lookup the others from BlindBargains
as good background. There are strong inferences that keymail and keyplan are
improved from their keysoft, apex days but a clear indication of the
improvements was not offered so far as I recall. For a web browser, they are
using fire fox and chrome and claim a better browsing experience while
keeping the commands from keysoft. The other issue that it seems to me many
people should ask before they move in to these new devices is whether they
can pair with their IOS devices. I know the B2G folks stated that one needs
a blue tooth dongle to do this and I think Brad stated that for the first
version, the Touch from humanware will not connect to an iPhone or other
devices. I think lots of people will assume this connectivity that is not
assured. The inference from what Brad reported is that HumanWare will add
IOS connectivity by Bluetooth soon after the product launch, but if they do
not, there is nothing the disappointed purchaser can do at that point so if
that's important, know up front.
Jim
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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 4:32 PM
To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Android-based braille notetakers
Tracy,
I was not at CSUN either. However, I found valuable information at
http://www.blindbargains.com
and go to their audio page. There are a number of interviews that were done
at CSUN including one with Humanware. Those interviews were particularly
good at describing the physical devices that were being discussed. The
humanware product is one piece in terms of the braille display and the
tablet. You can braille on the tablet using an on-screen braille keyboard
system. However, as was mentioned, there is an actual perkins style
keyboard that is integrated into the case that can be used as if it were a
one piece unit. Some of your questions will not be answered, however.
Also, Brad raises some extremely good points. The fact that there are three
or more Android devices, they really don't have all that much in common.
You can't assume much. The one from Humanware has the Keysoft apps that
will work as they did pretty much on the Apex. Nothing was said during the
interview, though, if they have updated their Keysoft software other than
moving it to Android. I think their email program for example left much to
be desired as it existed on the BrailleNote. I believe that Braille to Go
mostly uses actually Android apps to perform its functions, so we don't know
how smoothly they work. One of the other Android devices only lets you get
apps from their own app store that were specially written for their device
although one might be able to leave their environment and use Android.
After listening to a bunch of these well done interviews, I feel both
excited for the numerous new products and a bit uneasy until I see more. If
money is a consideration, the Humanware products are $3,995 for a 18-cell
product and $5,495 for a 32-cell model. They are giving substantial
credits, though, if you have an old brailleNote. I believe the
Braille-to-go was $2,495. There is another note-taker that will become
available for $7,500 from Europe soon. It is going to take careful
research.
Best regards,
Steve
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From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Android-based braille notetakers
I have looked at the Humanware site for the Braillenote Touch, but it's
light on actual specs.
Is it 3 pieces--braille display, touch tablet, and case? It seems rather
confusing to me.
Tracy
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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 10:12 AM
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Cc: Jim Barbour
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Android-based braille notetakers
I am assuming that you two are talking about the Braille note touch, I've
not heard of the apex touch.
It definitely has a one line Braille display.
It also comes with a touchscreen tablet that you can Braille into much like
the iPhone's braille input utility. It also comes with a case that has
traditional braille keys on it.
Another android-based note taker that was introduced is the low cost Braille
display that the NFB has been involved in. It definitely has drawbacks, but
will cost under $500 which will be interesting to some.
Hope this helps,
Jim
Written While on the Move
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:51 AM, Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Greetings:
>
> I have had a brief audition of the Touch, and it includes a braille
> display. If it is a consideration, I'm sure if you contact humanware
> you can arrange an in-person audition. I don't know what plans the
> other manufacturers have for demonstrations.
>
> My direct e-mail is brad.hodges at outlook.com, if you would like to
> communicate directly.
>
> Brad
>
>
>> On 4/5/2016 9:26 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>> Thanks Brad.
>> I looked at the ad for the Humanware Touch, but it does not appear to
>> have a braille display, which for me is a deal-breaker.
>> Looking at the FS ad, it appears that the ElBraille will not be
>> available until at least convention. Since my current notetaker died
>> suddenly and I'm now using my good old slate for notes, I'm not sure
>> I'm willing to wait that long.
>> Your questions are certainly things worth thinking about.
>> Both the NeoBraille and B2G say they can have cellular connectivity,
>> but don't specifically say one could use them for phone calls.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 9:02 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>> Cc: Brad Hodges
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Android-based braille notetakers
>>
>> Tracy:
>>
>> While I was not at CSUN, I have had an opportunity to follow the
>> arrival of Android-based notetakers. In addition to the 2 you
>> mention, the Apex Touch, from Humanware is also available. Of the 3,
>> I would say that the Touch is the most available for immediate purchase.
>>
>> That having been said, in my opinion there are some very important
>> considerations created by the switch to the Android operating system
>> for our notetaker technology. Your questions illuminate several of
>> these. I also believe there is more that we don't know yet which we
>> should know in order to evaluate Android as a notetaker operating system.
>>
>> Rather than relating my understanding of the 2 you mention, and
>> relate my very brief experience with the Touch, last week-end, I
>> would encourage you to formulate a comprehensive set of evaluation
>> criteria to use as you have the opportunity to audition each of the 3
candidates.
>> Additionally, don't discount Freedom Scientific's L-Braille, which is
>> based on Windows 10 and integrates one of the companies existing
>> braille displays with a module containing the processor.
>>
>> I strongly suggest that those interested in a new notetaker hold off
>> until the candidates have made their actual arrival and are ready for
purchase.
>>
>> This question might also be something which we may want to address at
>> Convention. Perhaps a panel organized by one of our De visions.
>>
>> Here are a few of the questions which come to my mind so far.
>>
>> Since they are using an operating system which is intended to support
>> a mobile device does the notetaker include the ability to use
>> cellular
data?
>> Will it support phone calls? How important is this to you?
>>
>> Which is more important, the availability of phone-like connectivity
>> and other exclusive features provided by Android, or an updated
>> experience with a familiar menu structure and existing set of features?
>>
>> We are accustom to a very fast and responsive interface on legacy
>> devices, is the notetaker equally as responsive?
>>
>> How quickly can the notetaker be activated for immediate input, such
>> as capturing a note or appointment? Is there both a sleep mode and
>> power down mode? If so what is the difference?
>>
>> Is the interface logical and easy to follow?
>>
>> Since this is an Android device, what is the relationship between the
>> interface and apps provided by the manufacturer and those apps
>> available through the Play Store?
>>
>> Can Talkback, the Android screen reader be used? If so how does that
>> experience contrast with built in menus etc?
>>
>> How does the notetaker feel while in use? Is the form factor convenient?
>> Are keys convenient and responsive? If a touch screen is used how do
>> your hands feel after an extended period of use?
>>
>> How do the braille cells feel? Do they meet your expectations if you
>> are experienced with notetaker or refreshable braille?
>>
>> How important is the ability of the notetaker to become part of
>> your personal echo system, allowing contacts, calendars, documents
>> and such to be shared across all your devices and phone? Does the
>> notetaker facilitate this if it is of importance?
>>
>> At the time of product announcements, in mid-March, 3 different
>> versions of Android were used, 1 each on the 3 devices. What is the
>> significance, if any, of the version of Android used in the notetaker
when purchased?
>> What is the impact of update availability, and who controls update
releases?
>>
>> Those are just a few quick thoughts which have been running around in
>> my mind. I hope that they may be of some use. It has been my
>> experience that careful planning and a consistent record of your
>> experience can help you make a choice with which you will be very
pleased.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 4/5/2016 7:16 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>> 2 new braille notetakers were announced at CSUN, the NeoBraille and
>>> the Braille2Go. Both are based on android phones.
>>>
>>> Did anyone happen to go to CSUN and actually use one of these new
>>> notetakers?
>>>
>>> I'm in the market for a new braille notetaker, and I'd like to know
>>> what the interface for either of these is like. Does one have to
>>> swipe around, or does one enter a command from the keyboard to bring
>>> up an app? If I need to quickly scribble a note, does the device
>>> come on quickly, or do I have to mess around with unlocking it, then
>>> starting
>> some app?
>>> I know it's a long shot, but I'd love to hear from anyone who's
>>> actually had hands on one of these new devices.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 18:18:05 -0400
From: Pamela Dominguez <geodom at optonline.net>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] which model of Keurig please?
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You can do that with the kurrig, also. There are different kinds of kcups.
Pam.
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] which model of Keurig please?
Hi Lauren,
Can I just throw in a recommendation for the Tassimo brewer instead? It has
several advantages and is about the same price; and only has a single button
and no other control.
It's primary advantage is that it can do liquids, so you can buy packages
for late's or capachinos (with a milk pod for each); or hot chocolate; or
pumpkin spice late; or moca java (with a separate chocolate syrup pod). You
put in the milk pod and pres the button; when the sound quits you put in the
coffee or tea pod and press the button again; and you have a capachino (or
just a regular coffee if you don't use a two pod drink).
The disadvantage is that it's pods aren't sold at as many places: primarily
Bed Bath and Beyond stores; and then Amazon and other mail order places.;
All of its pods are bar coded with instructions so you don't have to do
anything, the brewer reads the instructions and does all of the operations.
They also offer a chai tea late for tea drinkers (and regular english tea;
earl gray tea; etc.).
Hth,
Chip
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Subject: [Electronics-Talk] which model of Keurig please?
Hi,
As of just now, my Keurig machine has bitten the dust in a rattly way.
Please can you advise me on which model to get that still has buttons. I
knew it was on its way out because it was singing a gravelly song of
impending death.
Thanks,
Lauren
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 21:26:40 -0500
From: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Keysoft
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IMHO, this is not something that should just be tolerated from
computers. This shouldn't happen, and if it does, then there's a problem
that needs to be addressed. I've gone weeks on my systems running
Windows or Linux without hangs or reboots. Of course, I've also had
times where I had to reboot my Windows system every couple of days, but
fortunately this was a while ago, and it was an issue with Windows. I"m
sure Linux and other operating systems have had this issue from time to
time, so I'm not just knocking Windows.
I tend to stand up and defend my software engineering and operating
system development peers, but computers should not need to be rebooted
and shouldn't hang, and users should not settle for this as accepted
behaviour.
On 05/04/16 13:25, Aleeha Dudley via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> That happens with all note takers, in my experience. In fact, it's just a
computer thing. Sometimes it just hangs and needs reset.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 12:36, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I've been using a BrailleNote PK for several years, until it gave up the
>> ghost a couple weeks ago.
>>
>> My only complaint is that, every week or two, it would get hung up and
I'd
>> need to reset it. It wasn't hard, but it was annoying.
>>
>> Is this common with BrailleNotes? Is it something to do with Keysoft, or
>> was it just some limitation in the PK?
>>
>> If it's Keysoft, it would be a mark against getting another BrailleNote
>> machine.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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