[Electronics-Talk] Feature phones and smart phones [was "Re: LG flip phone [was "Re: Android Cellphones: Are They Worth It"]"]

Christopher Chaltain chaltain at gmail.com
Sun Mar 27 15:05:12 UTC 2016 

Like I said, I'm happy with using a smart phone myself, but it seems 
kind of short sighted not to care what's available to the sighted. IMHO, 
the blind should have the same choices the sighted do. You'll never know 
when your situation will change and you might need something the sighted 
take for granted.

I'm also not sure what you mean by security issues with feature phones. 
I'd think security holes on a feature phone would be pretty minimal in 
the first place. You refer to these articles on these issues, and it 
would be interesting to actually take a peek at these articles to see 
what security issues they're referring to.

I also wouldn't be so limited on the operating systems I'd consider. Not 
sure for example, why Microsoft's or Blackberry's or Intel's mobile 
operating systems wouldn't be just as secure as IOS or Android.

On 26/03/16 15:35, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> I don't do feature phones anymore and won't for the rest of my life. I
> don't care what's available to sighted people at all.  My problem with
> feature phones is they're the last phones to get necessary security
> updates.  The companies providing them aren't in the least serious about
> security of their customers and this has been covered in articles on
> cell phone security already.  Any equipment I take in the future the
> company that makes it will also have to originate its operating system
> either Apple or Google.  I have no idea when or if LG will update to
> Marshmallow.
>
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2016, Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>
>> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 13:43:24
>> From: Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-Talk
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>     <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Feature phones and smart phones [was
>>     "Re: LG flip phone [was "Re: Android Cellphones: Are They Worth
>> It"]"]
>>
>> I'm not one of those people that think blind people have to use a
>> smart phone to get an accessible phone. IMHO, as long as feature
>> phones are available to the sighted then they should be available to
>> the blind. If a sighted person doesn't need or want a smart phone then
>> a blind person should have the same choice. I try not to impose my
>> decisions on others. I don't presume to know how everyone else uses or
>> should use their phones.
>>
>> That being said, I've never had a feature phone. I started using a
>> smart phone around 2002, when I got my first Nokia phone running
>> Talks. After three Nokia phones with physical keyboards, I made the
>> jump to a touch screen phone in 2012 when I got the iPhone 4S I'm
>> still using today.
>>
>> I remember that first weekend I tried to setup and figure out my
>> iPhone. I was practically in tears. Even after listening to podcasts
>> and reading tutorials, I still found it incredibly frustrating. I
>> remember the key for me was when I realized that I didn't have to
>> double tap exactly on the object itself. Once I heard VoiceOver read
>> something, I could just double tap anywhere on the screen to activate
>> the object. That was a huge turning point for me that weekend.
>>
>> I would agree that once you master one touch screen device, you have
>> an advantage when you move to another touch screen device, but this
>> can also trip you up. I know a lot of people who try to move from a
>> Windows machine to a Linux machine or from an iPhone to an Android
>> device, and they get tripped up when things don't work the way they're
>> used to. I don't have a problem with people wanting things to be
>> familiar when moving from device to device, but if you want your
>> Android phone to be identical to your iPhone then I think you'll be
>> disappointed, and you should probably just stick with your iPhone.
>>
>> I too am curious about different technologies, and I'm willing to
>> learn and invest some time in experimenting with and playing with
>> other devices. That's one reason why I went out and got a Nexus 7. I
>> wanted a tablet, but I didn't want to pay the price for an iPad, and I
>> wanted to see what Android was like in case I wanted to switch my
>> phone to an Android phone, so I got a Nexus 7 running Android. As I
>> said, there are things I prefer doing on my Nexus 7 over my iPhone,
>> and some of that is because it's a tablet and some because it's
>> running Android.
>>
>> As I see how I use my phone and what Android looks like versus IOS, I
>> would be more comfortable jumping to an S7 now then I would have been
>> a few years ago. Part of that is because of the advances in Talk Back,
>> but part of that is also because the areas where I see VoiceOver is
>> superior are areas that I really don't spend much time doing on the
>> phone. Hierarchic navigation in web pages is a good example. If I
>> spent a lot of time in Safari on my iPhone then I'd really miss not
>> being able to navigate by heading, table and so on, but as it turns
>> out, I prefer using apps instead of web pages, so I just don't spent
>> that much time in Safari on my iPhone, so I won't miss those features
>> if I jump to an S7. Even though I said I'd be more comfortable now
>> jumping to an Android phone then I would have been a year or so ago, I
>> still haven't made that jump, and I'm not sure if my next phone will
>> be an Android phone or an iPhone. I'm used to how my iPhone works and
>> Apple just flat did a great job with VoiceOver.
>>
>> On 25/03/16 22:46, Arlene via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>> Christopher, I was just thinking how crazy this has been with no change
>>> of subject line for the lg thread and the android thread. I got so
>>> involved in reading the messages since both threads have been
>>> interesting to me, that I didn't think about changing the subject line
>>> to lg phones or something like that. Unfortunately with all the
>>> questions answered for me concerning my modo g from the android group I
>>> just haven't gotten the knack of navigating the screen, even with all of
>>> the suggestions and help, not yet anyway. All of what I just said is far
>>> from a complaint, I'm going to see if I could find someone that I could
>>> get together with in person to help me a little more.
>>> Anyone going to  from an android to an iphone or iphone to android is
>>> way ahead of someone that never used a touch screen, you would think
>>> they would be curious to experiencing the other. If I ever get the knack
>>> of the touch screen with my modo g, and really get use to it, that will
>>> be curious me, as I would want to try the iphone out and continue to
>>> learn more about the android. Not everyone is that curious though.  I've
>>> listened to a number of podcasts of how too shows of both android phones
>>> and iphones, and the people doing the demonstrations make it sound so
>>> simple. I hope I get there one of these days. There's so much you could
>>> do with these touch screen phones, as much as you could do with your own
>>> desktop. Each system is different, just like  in the case of the 2
>>> feature phones that I have, that I can do basically the same things with
>>> both phones, but there's some very minor differences in how they both
>>> work. Neither one is better than the other, just a little different.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain via
>>> Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 10:54 AM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] LG flip phone [was "Re: Android Cellphones:
>>> Are They Worth It"]
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was going to respond with this information as well, but they aren't
>>>> asking about Android phones they're talking about this LG flip phone.
>>>> One of those unfortunate negative side affects when people hijack an
>>>> existing thread or don't change the subject line.
>>>>
>>>> On 25/03/16 10:43, Jim Barbour via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>>>> Yes, you can deathly do all that with an android phone and talk back
>>>>> or the screen reader from Samsung.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Written While on the Move
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Carol Feazell via Electronics-Talk
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you access your call log, contacts, previous messages and such?
>>>>>> Can you
>>>>>> easily enter new contacts? I have always really liked flip phones
>>>>>> and at one
>>>>>> time I thought LG was the best thing going, at least for my
>>>>>> satisfaction.
>>>>>> Right now I have the Odin VI, the simple phone and am happy with it
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> than I wish it had the word mode for texting but I make it work. I
>>>>>> had one
>>>>>> that didn't last long, though, and so I am wondering about this one.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> only quirky thing I have found is that even though I have a nice
>>>>>> protective
>>>>>> case, if I would drop the phone in the simplest manner, I have to
>>>>>> take out
>>>>>> the battery and put it back in to keep the phone from going into
>>>>>> emergency
>>>>>> mode. Never have had that experience and I wonder why.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carol Jean
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Electronics-Talk
>>>>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Marsha via Electronics-Talk
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 10:42 AM
>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Marsha <marcatony at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Android Cellphones: Are They Worth It
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HI
>>>>>>   The model of the LG cell phone is LG450.  It is a flip phone.  It
>>>>>> is 3G
>>>>>> capable.  It has Bluetooth connectivity.  It is a straight phone
>>>>>> keypad. It
>>>>>>
>>>>>> can do E-Mail, text messaging, and internet, I don't use this
>>>>>> feature. Text
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to speech and voice commands.  It's nothing fancy but a nice little
>>>>>> phone.
>>>>>> I know it works on T-Mobile and Family Mobile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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