[Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves
Brad Hodges
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Wed Nov 9 12:59:43 UTC 2016
Tracy:
I should have mentioned that is exactly how my overlay is constructed.
Two controls, above and below each other are quite close. The opening is
more like a print figure 8, it's easy to select the top or bottom of the
two controls.
Brad
On 11/9/2016 7:47 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> Annette, I think it would work, in the case where buttons are close
> together, to not have a full plexiglass divider between, just enough of a
> dip on top and rise on the bottom to suggest a circle. A print C shape, as
> opposed to an O.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:10 PM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
> Cc: Annette Carr
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves
>
> Brad & All,
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> I've been thinking about this concept of a plexiglass overlay in the back of
> my mind all day. Here is my brain dump.
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> . Once the overlay can be produced, I think it could be held in
> place with Velcro or Vel-Lock. This would allow for removing it for
> cleaning both the overlay and the control panel.
>
> . With sighted help, a "draft" of the overlay could be made. I used
> to use overhead transparencies to create removable overlays for workout
> equipment with braille, tactile marks and/or large print. I think a similar
> process could be used to make the "draft" overlay. If a transparency cannot
> be found, then a plastic report cover could work. Have a sighted person lay
> the plastic sheet over the control panel once it is locked to prevent
> accidental activation of the buttons. Use tape to hold it in place. Using
> a permanent marker, trace around the perimeter of the panel, as well as each
> button. A person with the tools and skills could use this "Draft" overlay
> to use as a template to cut the plexiglass to the appropriate size, as well
> as cut out a hole for each button. Velcro or a similar product could be
> adhered to the backside of the overlay in the corners or somewhere on the
> panel that does not have a button.
>
> . Off of the top of my head, I've identified 2 potential problems.
>
> o If the buttons are too small to allow for a large enough hole in the
> overlay to allow the fingertip to touch the control panel.
>
> o if there is not enough space between the buttons to allow for enough of
> the plexiglass to remain to indicate the area of the button.
>
> . Ideally, the plesiglass overlay would be large enough to allow for
> braille labels next to each button. (I am getting to the age where
> memorizing everything without a label is just not working as it used to for
> me.)
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>
> So anyone ready to start a business with me to do this?3D printing could be
> the answer.
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>
> Annette
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 10:43 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
> Cc: Brad Hodges
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves
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> Annette:
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> I have been suggesting that blind people give these kinds of overlays a
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> try for many years. So far there hasn't been that much interest.
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> So far it is a custom process, so it will be best if folks find someone
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> with the skills and equipment to help fabricate the overlay for their
>
> particular appliance.
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> I do not attach the overlay permanently. I simply hold the overlay in
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> place with one hand and use the other to set the controls.
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> I have also been thinking that with rather inexpensive rapid prototype
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> technology, also called 3D printing, that more elaborate templates can
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> be created which include braille labels etc.
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> On 11/8/2016 8:08 AM, Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>
>> Hi Brad,
>> Maybe your husband needs to start a business creating plesiglass
>> overlays
>> for appliance touch panels.
>> How did you adhere the overlay?
>> Annette
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:52 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>> Cc: Brad Hodges
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] gas stoves
>> Annette:
>> My plexiglass overlay was crafted by my husband Joe. He is an amazing
>> guy
> of
>
>> many talents which, thankfully, include the use of power tools.
>> On 11/7/2016 8:33 PM, Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> Where and/or did you get a plexiglass overlay?
>>> Annette
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:26 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Brad Hodges
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] gas stoves
>>> Drew and list:
>>> First to Jim's question, in the UK it's a "cooker" here in the States
> it's
>
>> a
>>> stove or range. I noticed that Consumer Reports uses the terms
>>> electric
>>> range and gas range. To my mind by either name it's a free-standing
>>> appliance, 30 inches wide. It most often fills an opening between
>>> kitchen
>>> cabinets. A range includes a cook surface and an oven.
>>> Less common are slide-in's and drop-in's these designs are
>>> surrounded, in
>>> some part, by counter tops and cabinetry. They have all controls on
>>> the
>>> front, because their design does not include the upright control
>>> panel
>> found
>>> on ranges.
>>> Since you are looking for a gas range, the issue of burner controls
>>> is
>>> rather simple, and works in your favor. Most all gas ranges use
>> conventional
>>> turn knobs located on the front of the appliance. Orienting yourself
>>> to
>> the
>>> burners is straight forward.
>>> As for controls of the oven, you will be looking for something which
>>> you
>> can
>>> plan to mark, unless you can find oven controls which have some
>>> tactile
>>> indication on them. I do not know of any of this kind.
>>> To operate your oven, typically you will touch a relatively small
>>> control
>>> region on the glassy surface of the control panel for Bake, or Broil.
> Then
>
>>> the temperature is displayed. Repeatedly touching An up and down
>>> region
>>> moves the temperature by 5 degree increments allowing you to set the
>>> temperature and lastly an OK or "bake" control starts the unit
> preheating.
>
>>> you are going to want to make sure that when you turn the oven off,
>>> and
>> then
>>> on again, it always returns to the same temperature setting, this is
> often
>
>>> 350 degrees.
>>> You should also be able to touch "clear" or "cancel" to begin again
>>> if
>> you
>>> loose track of counting up or down beeps etc.
>>> Brands and models can differ significantly in the layout and
>>> complexity
>>> of the touch regions. For instance rows of digits used to set
>>> temperatures and advanced program settings. In my experience avoiding
>>> this level of complexity is advisable both from the perspective of
>>> marking the oven controls as well as recalling complex control sequences.
>>> An alternative, which I use personally, is to create a plexiglass
>>> template with cutouts corresponding to the various touch regions.
>>> When
>>> using my template, I simply hold it against the rectangular control
>>> panel and set the oven. I can keep the controls clean and I don't
>>> have
>>> to be concerned about replacing bumps or other adhesive labels which
>>> can
>>> come off.
>>> You should have the sales person connect the gas range to 110
>>> electric
>>> service. This will power the controls and let you know exactly how
>>> they
>>> operate. I always take my trusty 50 foot extension cord when visiting
>>> the appliance store.
>>> Note, the Independence Market has 5 different sizes and shapes of
>>> bumps
>>> which you can use to mark your appliance. Brenda did a wonderful job
>>> of
>>> describing them all to me last week when I called on behalf of one of
>>> our Chapter members.
>>> Before placing your control markers make sure that there is no
>>> protective film on the smooth control surface
>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>> Brad
>>> On 11/7/2016 6:02 PM, Jim Barbour via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>>> If you're talking about stoves, and not ranges that include electric
>>> ovens, what do you worry about being accessible?
>>>> Jim
>>>> Written While on the Move
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Drew Hunthausen via Electronics-Talk
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>> I'm looking for some reccomendations on any particular gas ranges
>>>>> that
>>>>> people have really liked or else what to look for when
>>>>> investigating
> the
>
>>>>> different models. I am totally blind so want something accessible
>>> obviously!
>>>>> Thanks so much
>>>>> Drew Hunthausen
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