[Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and devices

Fri Nov 11 05:00:30 UTC 2016

Don, it's true between reading the experiences of  i phone users on our 
school list, also here on this list and another list I'm on, as you said 
it's easier to have siri do some of the navigating and writing messages, and 
also using the little keyboards. As I said I'm not giving up, as far as 
getting the knack of it. I don't know maybe that's the wrong way to put it. 
I guess I like a bit of a challenge. I'm going to persue sitting down with a 
friend to try again, and I'll also do some more exploring on my own. Whoever 
is with me may not be able to help me very much, but you just never know 
what could come out of something like that, even if it's a sighted friend, 
kind of like when I worked on things with my friend Donna. I wish I lived 
closer to my friend Donna. She moved away from joplin too, to Bentonvill, 
Arkansas. We worked on so many things together, it was so  neat. Anyway, it 
was only 45 minutes of time, but it meant so much when I was exploring that 
i phone in the store. I wonder if it's all about the same or if there's a 
difference with navigating the touch screen on the i phone verses the 
android phones. If I had a smart phone I don't think that I would put books 
on it necessarily, then again once I have it I might change my mind about 
that. Not that this would happen very often, but I like the idea if you're 
out somewhere, if there's a need too, you could look something up on the 
internet or write an email. I would like making use of apps such as the 
scanning type apps, and there's probably others I'm not thinking of now. 
I've never seen a haven phone. I know all this doesn't mean much to a lot of 
people but as far as these feature phones I have really gotten into making 
use of the different options that are in both of the  phones. With one of 
the phones for example, amoungst some other things in the phone I really 
like using the calculater. Inspite of my not getting the feel of navigating 
with the touch screen, I really get a lot out of listening to the podcasts 
about the androids and i phones, telling about anything new, such as new 
apps or a how too. The people that do those podcasts make it  sound so easy 
and it probably is for them. Some of the best podcasts I've heard done was 
done on the main menue show, I think the man's name is David Wood. Anyway 
that's all of my 2 cents and I'll go back to reading messages.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donald Moore via Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'" 
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and 
devices

Arlene, it's really not surprising.  For the totals who can do it, and I
know there are a whole bunch that can, you have to have allot of stuff come
together well.  Your finger in the exact location and the speech actually
telling you that that touch registered for starters.  Some phones can be
affixed with braille numbers or letters and such, but for ease, the buttons
like our old Havens really can't be beat.  And, I have the iPhone 6plus, but
it's not always easy and it's generally easier to let Siri do as much of the
work as possible.

-----Original Message-----
From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:34 PM
To: S L Johnson; Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
Cc: Arlene
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
devices

I'm not opposed to the touch screen technology, and as much as I've tried
with the modo g  phone, I'm not getting the knack of it. That's one way to
say it. Of course I don't have the phone connected right now though I'm not
giving up on it. I've listened to podcasts for touch screen phones and I was

on the android list for a period of time, but so far as stupid as it might
sound to those of you that haveieither or both the i phone or android,  that

are accomplished in navigating and can use the touch screen. About the best
way to explain it, so far anyway,  I'm not getting the feel for it yet,
though I really hope tooeventually, and it's not because I don't want to get

into using a touch screen. That's part of the key, for me anyway, not yet
have I've gotten the touch of working the touch screen with ease as many
people do, and as much as I want too. There's aspects and features of what
you can do with both the i-phones and the androids which I know I could do
right now, if I only had the knack of it including the  valuable and
important and access to different bits of information and so on. While
there's an app for everything, an app here, and an app there, everywhere an
app, app, it seems like everyone in the whole world has a smart phone. It's
true a majority of people that have cell phones do have smart phones which
is really great. It's also true not everyone as one, as mentioned for not
having the funds to buy a smart phone, and some of it, there's a number of
individuals are doing there best to attempt to get the right touch or knack
to even navigate and work a touch screen. So really it's not out of a case
that there's necessarily groups of people that don't want to move along to a

touch screen and or smart phone. There may be some that will never get a
smart phone, not being a priority for them personally as crazy and stupid as

it might sound. For some people, change and new things aren't always
embraced immediately, and in time whatever the new thing is found not to be
so complicated or a bad thing. I don't know what all the right answers are,
but as others have said there should bea some way to make appliances and
other machines  accessible for anyone to use, even if it's a mix of the old
and new technology. The stoves we looked at for example, were fine in the
way that for the oven to set the temperature it would beep as you set the
temperature and as you set it on either bake, and or broil and so on. If
you're setting the temperature and you loose track you could always turn it
off and do it again. To me anyway, with newer technology it's acceptable
where this type of stove is concerned. The stove top was very much like an
older stove from what I remember which was good. As far as the affordability

of the smart phones and defending that aspect, for android anyway, The modo
g and probably some other models of android phones are pretty inexpensive
compared to what an i  phone and other android phones cost. I'm not an
expert on all the prices, but the modo g was $170, and I purchased it from
walmart as a prepaid phone on family mobile which is the walmart phone that
is on the t-mobile lines. I think what would help me in getting use to my
modo g is to find a friend nearby that's experienced with touch screens that

can sit with me as I navigate the screen. They  could help me and instruct
me with whatever my simple attempts are, pointing out what I'm doing  wrong
and they could show me how to have the right touch for it. It's something I
will do as I find someone. I do have some friends in mind. I first really
wanted to see what I could figure out on my own. One time a sales guy from a

t and t store, spent 45 minutes with me in the store showing me his i phone,

turning voice over on for me, and letting me explore the screen, as he was
explaining things to me. It was such a great experience. At the time my
friend and I each purchased the t-199 samsung feature phone, she purchased a

tablet. now I wished I asked her to put talkback on for me,  at least some
of the time, because, while she didn't need talkback, she would have helped
me in getting use too it. We have that sort of friendship where we enjoy
working on things together. We both only knew about talkback from another
friend of ours. Our other friend familiarized herself with talk back on her
s3 due to having tumors in her eyes in case she did loose her vision, and we

all could have worked on that. As I said The 3 of us had that sort of
friendship. Even starting with the gusto 2 and then when we got the gusto 3
and then when we got the t-199 for t-mobile we worked on a lot of things
with one another. In fact when we each purchased the t-199, we didn't know
that it had speech built into it. We did find out a day later when one of
my friends was exploring the screen and all the menues. I'm sure I can find
someone where I am now, since we both moved away from that apartment
building. So it's not always because people don't want to know,don't have
the desire to learn touch screens, and yes some are somewhat affordable. At
times you just need to save up for important things. Even the modo g at $170

may be to much of an expense of an item to buy in one month. If it's that
important even to buy, the best thing to do is save up for it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S L Johnson via Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances"
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
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> Jim:
>
> Okay, the smart phone may be one way to have access but, manufacturers
> still should make heir appliances accessible.  Not every blind or visually

> impaired person, especially aging seniors, can afford a smart phone.  Also

> many seniors are not comfortable with the new touch screen technology.
>
> Sandra Johnson
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jim McCarthy via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
> Cc: Jim McCarthy
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
> devices
>
> Sandra,
> The smart phone providing access to appliances actually might prove
> helpful to you given what you describe. That is if you had access to a
> qwerty keyboard or braille display. The majority of touch screen gestures
> and methods do have keyboard equivalents. I agree with Dave that smart
> phone access to appliances would be one more access tool and it also seems

> one that the appliance manufacture community might pursue.
> Jim McCarthy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandra Streeter via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 9:46 PM
> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Sandra Streeter
> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
> devices
>
> All in for a range of solutions! I, for one, have had a devil of a time
> mastering any touch-screen device (except my microwave), because Iâ?Tm a
> lousy auditory learner who needs both Braille and practice to master even
> a smartphone, and because I have some fine-motor issues that make it
> harder to ensure that Iâ?Tm, say, double-tapping something instead of
> tapping once and accidentally moving my finger without knowing it, then
> attempting the second half of the gesture (in the new place I wasnâ?Tt
> aware I was in). Those of us who are still button-pushers, and donâ?Tt
> want to use touch screens or to talk to a device, are left out in the
> cold. . Smartphones would not be an option for me. Besides which, say the
> Internet part of the grid (but not all electronic areas) went
> downâ?"getting our phones to talk to our devices so we can set them
> properly might be a major issue. And, I am totally in agreement that we
> need to be better advocates for ourselves, instead of waiting for a
> politician or governmental system to finally see/do something about our
> needs. Not all de-regulation is a bad thing.
>
>
>
> Sandra
>
> Not â?oRevelationâ? â?" tis â?" that waits
> But our unfurnished eyes â?"
> (Emily Dickinson)
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