[Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and devices

Fri Nov 11 15:48:04 UTC 2016

I'd say as far as navigating the touch screen things are pretty much the 
same between the iPhone and Android smart phones.

On 10/11/16 23:00, Arlene via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> Don, it's true between reading the experiences of  i phone users on our
> school list, also here on this list and another list I'm on, as you said
> it's easier to have siri do some of the navigating and writing messages,
> and also using the little keyboards. As I said I'm not giving up, as far
> as getting the knack of it. I don't know maybe that's the wrong way to
> put it. I guess I like a bit of a challenge. I'm going to persue sitting
> down with a friend to try again, and I'll also do some more exploring on
> my own. Whoever is with me may not be able to help me very much, but you
> just never know what could come out of something like that, even if it's
> a sighted friend, kind of like when I worked on things with my friend
> Donna. I wish I lived closer to my friend Donna. She moved away from
> joplin too, to Bentonvill, Arkansas. We worked on so many things
> together, it was so  neat. Anyway, it was only 45 minutes of time, but
> it meant so much when I was exploring that i phone in the store. I
> wonder if it's all about the same or if there's a difference with
> navigating the touch screen on the i phone verses the android phones. If
> I had a smart phone I don't think that I would put books on it
> necessarily, then again once I have it I might change my mind about
> that. Not that this would happen very often, but I like the idea if
> you're out somewhere, if there's a need too, you could look something up
> on the internet or write an email. I would like making use of apps such
> as the scanning type apps, and there's probably others I'm not thinking
> of now. I've never seen a haven phone. I know all this doesn't mean much
> to a lot of people but as far as these feature phones I have really
> gotten into making use of the different options that are in both of the
> phones. With one of the phones for example, amoungst some other things
> in the phone I really like using the calculater. Inspite of my not
> getting the feel of navigating with the touch screen, I really get a lot
> out of listening to the podcasts about the androids and i phones,
> telling about anything new, such as new apps or a how too. The people
> that do those podcasts make it  sound so easy and it probably is for
> them. Some of the best podcasts I've heard done was done on the main
> menue show, I think the man's name is David Wood. Anyway that's all of
> my 2 cents and I'll go back to reading messages.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Moore via Electronics-Talk"
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> To: "'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'"
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> Cc: "Donald Moore" <don.moore48 at icloud.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances
> and devices
>
>
> Arlene, it's really not surprising.  For the totals who can do it, and I
> know there are a whole bunch that can, you have to have allot of stuff come
> together well.  Your finger in the exact location and the speech actually
> telling you that that touch registered for starters.  Some phones can be
> affixed with braille numbers or letters and such, but for ease, the buttons
> like our old Havens really can't be beat.  And, I have the iPhone 6plus,
> but
> it's not always easy and it's generally easier to let Siri do as much of
> the
> work as possible.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Arlene via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:34 PM
> To: S L Johnson; Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
> Cc: Arlene
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
> devices
>
> I'm not opposed to the touch screen technology, and as much as I've tried
> with the modo g  phone, I'm not getting the knack of it. That's one way to
> say it. Of course I don't have the phone connected right now though I'm not
> giving up on it. I've listened to podcasts for touch screen phones and I
> was
>
> on the android list for a period of time, but so far as stupid as it might
> sound to those of you that haveieither or both the i phone or android,
> that
>
> are accomplished in navigating and can use the touch screen. About the best
> way to explain it, so far anyway,  I'm not getting the feel for it yet,
> though I really hope tooeventually, and it's not because I don't want to
> get
>
> into using a touch screen. That's part of the key, for me anyway, not yet
> have I've gotten the touch of working the touch screen with ease as many
> people do, and as much as I want too. There's aspects and features of what
> you can do with both the i-phones and the androids which I know I could do
> right now, if I only had the knack of it including the  valuable and
> important and access to different bits of information and so on. While
> there's an app for everything, an app here, and an app there, everywhere an
> app, app, it seems like everyone in the whole world has a smart phone. It's
> true a majority of people that have cell phones do have smart phones which
> is really great. It's also true not everyone as one, as mentioned for not
> having the funds to buy a smart phone, and some of it, there's a number of
> individuals are doing there best to attempt to get the right touch or knack
> to even navigate and work a touch screen. So really it's not out of a case
> that there's necessarily groups of people that don't want to move along
> to a
>
> touch screen and or smart phone. There may be some that will never get a
> smart phone, not being a priority for them personally as crazy and
> stupid as
>
> it might sound. For some people, change and new things aren't always
> embraced immediately, and in time whatever the new thing is found not to be
> so complicated or a bad thing. I don't know what all the right answers are,
> but as others have said there should bea some way to make appliances and
> other machines  accessible for anyone to use, even if it's a mix of the old
> and new technology. The stoves we looked at for example, were fine in the
> way that for the oven to set the temperature it would beep as you set the
> temperature and as you set it on either bake, and or broil and so on. If
> you're setting the temperature and you loose track you could always turn it
> off and do it again. To me anyway, with newer technology it's acceptable
> where this type of stove is concerned. The stove top was very much like an
> older stove from what I remember which was good. As far as the
> affordability
>
> of the smart phones and defending that aspect, for android anyway, The modo
> g and probably some other models of android phones are pretty inexpensive
> compared to what an i  phone and other android phones cost. I'm not an
> expert on all the prices, but the modo g was $170, and I purchased it from
> walmart as a prepaid phone on family mobile which is the walmart phone that
> is on the t-mobile lines. I think what would help me in getting use to my
> modo g is to find a friend nearby that's experienced with touch screens
> that
>
> can sit with me as I navigate the screen. They  could help me and instruct
> me with whatever my simple attempts are, pointing out what I'm doing  wrong
> and they could show me how to have the right touch for it. It's something I
> will do as I find someone. I do have some friends in mind. I first really
> wanted to see what I could figure out on my own. One time a sales guy
> from a
>
> t and t store, spent 45 minutes with me in the store showing me his i
> phone,
>
> turning voice over on for me, and letting me explore the screen, as he was
> explaining things to me. It was such a great experience. At the time my
> friend and I each purchased the t-199 samsung feature phone, she
> purchased a
>
> tablet. now I wished I asked her to put talkback on for me,  at least some
> of the time, because, while she didn't need talkback, she would have helped
> me in getting use too it. We have that sort of friendship where we enjoy
> working on things together. We both only knew about talkback from another
> friend of ours. Our other friend familiarized herself with talk back on her
> s3 due to having tumors in her eyes in case she did loose her vision,
> and we
>
> all could have worked on that. As I said The 3 of us had that sort of
> friendship. Even starting with the gusto 2 and then when we got the gusto 3
> and then when we got the t-199 for t-mobile we worked on a lot of things
> with one another. In fact when we each purchased the t-199, we didn't know
> that it had speech built into it. We did find out a day later when one of
> my friends was exploring the screen and all the menues. I'm sure I can find
> someone where I am now, since we both moved away from that apartment
> building. So it's not always because people don't want to know,don't have
> the desire to learn touch screens, and yes some are somewhat affordable. At
> times you just need to save up for important things. Even the modo g at
> $170
>
> may be to much of an expense of an item to buy in one month. If it's that
> important even to buy, the best thing to do is save up for it.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "S L Johnson via Electronics-Talk"
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> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
> devices
>
>
>> Jim:
>>
>> Okay, the smart phone may be one way to have access but, manufacturers
>> still should make heir appliances accessible.  Not every blind or
>> visually
>
>> impaired person, especially aging seniors, can afford a smart phone.
>> Also
>
>> many seniors are not comfortable with the new touch screen technology.
>>
>> Sandra Johnson
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim McCarthy via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:41 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>> Cc: Jim McCarthy
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
>> devices
>>
>> Sandra,
>> The smart phone providing access to appliances actually might prove
>> helpful to you given what you describe. That is if you had access to a
>> qwerty keyboard or braille display. The majority of touch screen gestures
>> and methods do have keyboard equivalents. I agree with Dave that smart
>> phone access to appliances would be one more access tool and it also
>> seems
>
>> one that the appliance manufacture community might pursue.
>> Jim McCarthy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandra Streeter via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 9:46 PM
>> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Sandra Streeter
>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] future of accessibility in appliances and
>> devices
>>
>> All in for a range of solutions! I, for one, have had a devil of a time
>> mastering any touch-screen device (except my microwave), because Iâ?Tm a
>> lousy auditory learner who needs both Braille and practice to master even
>> a smartphone, and because I have some fine-motor issues that make it
>> harder to ensure that Iâ?Tm, say, double-tapping something instead of
>> tapping once and accidentally moving my finger without knowing it, then
>> attempting the second half of the gesture (in the new place I wasnâ?Tt
>> aware I was in). Those of us who are still button-pushers, and donâ?Tt
>> want to use touch screens or to talk to a device, are left out in the
>> cold. . Smartphones would not be an option for me. Besides which, say the
>> Internet part of the grid (but not all electronic areas) went
>> downâ?"getting our phones to talk to our devices so we can set them
>> properly might be a major issue. And, I am totally in agreement that we
>> need to be better advocates for ourselves, instead of waiting for a
>> politician or governmental system to finally see/do something about our
>> needs. Not all de-regulation is a bad thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sandra
>>
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>> (Emily Dickinson)
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